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== Stop considering them a variant of Koopa Troopa == | == Stop considering them a variant of Koopa Troopa == | ||
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Basically the above section, as a proposal. | Basically the above section, as a proposal. | ||
The goal is to classify Koopa Striker as a variant of [[Koopa (species)|the Koopa clan]] in generally instead of [[Koopa Troopa]] specifically. | The goal is to classify Koopa Striker as a variant of [[Koopa (species)|the Koopa clan]] in generally instead of [[Koopa Troopa]] specifically. | ||
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#{{User|Hewer}} Sure, per proposal. | #{{User|Hewer}} Sure, per proposal. | ||
#{{user|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal. | #{{user|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} I also agree that it makes sense to consider this its own kind of Koopa, rather than a subspecies of a Koopa Troopa. If we determined parent species based solely on ''resemblance'', then Hammer Bros would probably be a subspecies of Koopa Troopas. | |||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I have to admit, this would just be more consistent with the other ones that are just described as "Koopas". Buzzy Beetle and Spiny have more of a reason to be considered direct relatives given their Tattle Log / Catch Card placements (Dry Bones may have been thrown off due to it being positioned as a stronger Dull Bones in these games). | |||
#{{User|OmegaRuby}} Per all. | |||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
#{{User|Arend}} I understand the predicament here, but there's a bit of an issue here that prevents me from fully supporting this (aside from the fact that they still have '''Koopa''' in the name in most languages like a lot of other Koopa Troopa subspecies in the game): their attack pattern is incredibly similar to that of a blue [[Unshelled Koopa Troopa]] in ''[[Super Mario World]]'', which kicks other Koopa Shells in Mario's direction. As such, a Koopa Striker's shell not only resembles a Koopa Troopa shell with soccer ball colors, but functions the exact same, too. The ''only'' non-Koopa Troopa Koopas I can think of which shell functions similarly are [[Buzzy Beetle]], [[Spiny]], and probably [[Snortoise]] (even though the wiki DOES consider that one a Koopa Troopa): none of which resemble a Koopa Troopa as much as Koopa Striker does. If the proposal passes, we should at the very least consider these as comparable to blue Unshelled Koopas, if not related. | #{{User|Arend}} I understand the predicament here, but there's a bit of an issue here that prevents me from fully supporting this (aside from the fact that they still have '''Koopa''' in the name in most languages like a lot of other Koopa Troopa subspecies in the game): their attack pattern is incredibly similar to that of a blue [[Unshelled Koopa Troopa]] in ''[[Super Mario World]]'', which kicks other Koopa Shells in Mario's direction. As such, a Koopa Striker's shell not only resembles a Koopa Troopa shell with soccer ball colors, but functions the exact same, too. The ''only'' non-Koopa Troopa Koopas I can think of which shell functions similarly are [[Buzzy Beetle]], [[Spiny]], and probably [[Snortoise]] (even though the wiki DOES consider that one a Koopa Troopa): none of which resemble a Koopa Troopa as much as Koopa Striker does. If the proposal passes, we should at the very least consider these as comparable to blue Unshelled Koopas, if not related. | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Arend. | |||
#{{User|Mario}} It's a minor detail but the facial makeup matches Koopa Troopa (Hammer Bro.'s mouth is disjointed and situated on the front of the overall head vs Koopa Troopa's mouth which is one piece), the shell matches other Koopa Troopa (Hammer Bro.'s shell is more wavy) and it has a tail (unlike Hammer Bro.), and its attacks are generally shell-related. There are indeed many differences in the naming schemes in other languages and quite a few design differences (the eyes mostly) but it would probably be better to err on good enough resemblance to Koopa Troopas and have them listed with the other Koopa Troopas. i.e. it's not unreasonable to call this a variant of Koopa Troopa. | |||
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Koopa. Per all. | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
How is this treated across other languages? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:22, January 27, 2024 (EST) | |||
:As usual in this game, names in most other languages follow the English version, while the Korean translation follows the Japanese version. No idea about the card bios though, I only found those in English and Japanese. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:07, January 28, 2024 (EST) | |||
::I mean, Tippi saying something about making "the Koopa Striker team" (in English at least) ''implies'' that they should have a base form... [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:23, February 1, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::Ah, that. Sorry, but I don't even know where to start looking for the other-language tattles. That said, all that really implies is that being a Koopa Striker is like a job... But I doubt Chargin' Chucks hatch already knowing how to play football. And Magikoopas are said to "study for years to learn magic". [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:33, February 1, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::Magikoopas do have earlier Chinese names that suggest they were a type of Koopa Troopa, but as far as I know, that's the only connection. That said, I wonder if the idea of making Koopa Troopas bipedal in the first place was meant to suggest they're the predecessor of other biped Koopas (like Hammer Bros. being the "elites" and generally having a similar design except for the head), but that's a shot in the dark. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 05:51, February 2, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::{{user|Scrooge200}} found the JP tattle: | |||
::::: 『コウラシューター』 | |||
::::: コウラを じざいに あやつる | |||
::::: カメ<r>族<Rぞく>だいひょうイレブンの １ぴき・・・}} | |||
::::: ＨＰは『%d』 | |||
::::: こうげき<r>力<Rりょく>は『%d』 ぼうぎょ<r>力<Rりょく>は『１』 | |||
::::: けとばした コウラで こうげきしてくる・・・ | |||
::::: きょうれつ かつ せいかくな キックと | |||
::::: かれいな コウラさばきが じまんのようよ・・・ | |||
::::: 『<r>目<Rめ>には <r>目<Rめ>を コウラには コウラを』 | |||
::::: ・・・けられた コウラは | |||
::::: けりかえして やると いいわ | |||
::::: "Nokonoko" is not mentioned anywhere in that, while kame-zoku is. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:18, February 2, 2024 (EST) | |||
@DrippingYellow We're not saying they're a Hammer Bro, we're saying all three are separate lines. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:55, January 31, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Ah, you're right, I should've paid more attention to the introduction of the proposal... [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 11:59, January 31, 2024 (EST) | |||
@MegaBowser64 What do you mean, "Koopa"? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:15, January 31, 2024 (EST) | |||
:I meant that the Koopa Striker is indeed a variant of a Koopa Troopa. [[User:MegaBowser64|MegaBowser64]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 14:34, February 2, 2024 (EST) | |||
::How do you know? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:23, February 2, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::Oh, I just meant that as my opinion lol. [[User:MegaBowser64|MegaBowser64]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 16:02, February 2, 2024 (EST) | |||
:This proposal sounds like you're considering "Koopa Troopa" a rank or position, but it's a species. And Koopa Strikers are clearly of the same species. [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 20:42, February 3, 2024 (EST) | |||
::The heads are different, though. And no, the proposal is treating them as three different species. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:11, February 3, 2024 (EST) | |||