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 :I want consistency in the WarioWare articles. We either split [[Kat & Ana]] and this page, or we merge [[Young Cricket]] and [[Master Mantis]] and [[Ashley]] and [[Red]].[[File:Hum Gree Gold.png|35px]][[User:DrkLrdHmGree3856|HumGree]] ([[User talk:DrkLrdHmGree3856|talk]]).[[File:Nice Lord Hum Gree.png|35px]] 20:01, January 20, 2024 (EST)
 ::Kat and Ana don't even have any unique personality traits. C&M and A&R have at least made significant appearances without the other, while D&S here are a standard polar-opposite duo (...also I was under the impression they were both dogs, with Spitz being a little yip-yip breed like an actual {{wp|spitz}}). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:35, January 20, 2024 (EST)
+:::There's also the fact that K&A and D&S share a character select slot in Get It Together, while Red & MM are separate characters with unique traits. [[User:Sdman213|Sdman213]] ([[User talk:Sdman213|talk]]) 20:43, January 20, 2024 (EST)
+::::Trust me, I'm all for a consistent approach too ([[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/58#Split Mario Kart Tour character variants or merge kart/glider variants: Take 2|been there]], [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61#Merge Mario Kart Tour Kart and Glider variants or Split Character variants: The Threequel|tried that]]), but sometimes we just don't have the material to work with to make it happen. In the current moment, the duos of Kat and Ana and Dribble and Spits just don't have enough unique information to warrant splitting any of them. Everything about Spitz can, and is, easily covered alongside Dribble. Even I would agree that the fact they are different characters is enough, but I find the reasons to keep them merged fair as well. If both Dribble and Spitz were to end up hosting their own microgame sets with their own stories to them, then maybe they'd have a shot. But for now, keeping them merged is just the better option. {{User:Tails777/sig}}21:28, January 20, 2024 (EST)
+== “It’s time.”-Ashley ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-12|keep merged}}
+I feel like we need consistency in the WarioWare articles. Dribble and Spitz are night and day, just like Ashley and Red. So why are they split, but Dribble and Spitz are still together? Should we keep the page like this, or split for consistency?
+'''Proposer''':{{User|DrkLrdHmGree3856}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': February 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
+====Support====
+#{{User|DrkLrdHmGree3856}} I feel that consistency is necessary in articles! Who’s with me!?
+#{{User|BubbleRevolution}} I never saw the point in grouping two wholly separate characters together simply because they typically appear as a pair. The recent WarioWare site gives them separate profiles, and unlike characters such as the [[Starshade Bros.]] or the [[Jellyfish Sisters]], who are nearly identical in terms of personality and appearance with little to distinguish them, both Dribble and Spitz have extremely distinct appearances and personalities. I'd be in favor of splitting Kat and Ana for similar reasons.
+#{{User|Shadow2}} This wiki is frustratingly inconsistent sometimes. We have entire articles dedicated to the tiniest characters with the smallest roles, or objects with very little significance, but we lump these two ''major'' characters together because...I don't know, they're partners who work together? [[Chuck Quizmo]] and [[Vanna T.]] work together, why don't they share an article? Why not lump [[Jimmy T.]] and [[Jimmy P.]] together, they're basically the exact same character? [[Cloaker]] and [[Domino]] don't appear apart from each other, but they have separate articles. "Always appear together" is not a sound argument. Neither is basing this entirely on ''Get it together''. So they share a gameplay style in one single game, so what? Mario and Luigi share a gameplay style in plenty of games, but you don't see them merged. They are distinct characters with distinct designs and distinct personalities. They should be separate.
+====Oppose====
+#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} Like I said, they always appear together esp. in stories. Keep them merged, please.
+#{{User|Sparks}} Dribble & Spitz are like [[Kat & Ana]], two characters who mostly appear together and are very similar. This is further proved in ''[[WarioWare: Get It Together!]]'' where both of them have the same ability, albeit in the opposite direction.
+#{{User|Tails777}} Per my comments above. Right now, there just isn't enough to warrant a split.
+#{{User|Sdman213}} Per my comments and everyone else.
+#{{User|MegaBowser64}} I feel that consistency is not necessary in articles! per all
+#{{User|Dark-Boy-1up}} I believe [[WarioWare: Get It Together!]] made a distinction between if characters should be separated or if they should be considered best buddies (and also be grouped together when people are talking about them.)
+#{{User|Hewer}} The result of this wouldn't be consistency, we already are consistent right now. Ashley & Red and Cricket & Mantis were split because they're completely separate characters in Get It Together, which Dribble & Spitz are not, they're a character duo where player 1 is Dribble and player 2 is Spitz, and their abilities are identical to each other except mirrored. The only way this would be consistent is if Kat & Ana got split as well since they're in the same situation, and I don't see why these splits would be needed for character duos who are always seen together.
+#{{User|YoYo}} per all :)
+#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
+#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.
+#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per what everybody else has been saying--as it stands, the reason they're merged is because they have always appeared together, and thus far the duos that get featured individually get splits whereas the ones who only appear in unison stay merged. We'd give it until Nintendo decides to actually showcase the two individually before splitting--that being said, the moment that becomes a thing, you can be assured we'd support a split almost immediately. ;P
+#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
+====Comments====
+You have not followed the proper [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Talk page proposals|proposal rules]]/format. First of all, in the proposer indicator, please use the template:user, instead of your own custom signature, because there's a No Signature Policy. Finally, proposals in talkpages have a deadline of two weeks, not one. I'd suggest that you adhere to the proposal format and rules. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 17:15, January 21, 2024 (EST)
+:I've just fixed your tpp for you, enforcing the proposal rules. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 17:19, January 21, 2024 (EST)
+'''Just a suggestion:''' I'd recommend changing the title of this talk page proposal to a more specific name like "Split Dribble & Spitz", because users may have difficulty trying to figure out what this talk page proposal is meant to accomplish. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 17:43, January 21, 2024 (EST)
+Currently abstaining to vote (honestly it could go either way for me), but I thought it would be important to mention that the main reason why Ashley and Red were decided to be split, as shown [[Talk:Ashley#A "split into separate articles" proposal? Oh no, not again!|here]], is due to how the two are handled in ''[[WarioWare: Get It Together!]]''. In that game, Ashley and Red are separate playable characters with completely different abilities that had their own separate plot points and were unlocked at different parts of the game. The very same goes for [[Young Cricket]] and [[Master Mantis]], and thus was also the deciding factor for [[Talk:Young Cricket#Split (...again)|this proposal]].<br>Dribble and Spitz, however... even in ''Get It Together'', they are intrinsically linked to each other. You encounter and unlock those two at the exact same time in the exact same stage, and most importantly, ''they share a character slot'': Dribble and Spitz play the exact same, except that Dribble always faces right and Spitz always faces left; as such, the game kind of considers them the same character, with Player 1 controlling Dribble and Player 2 controlling Spitz (with no way Player 1 being able to control Spitz or Player 2 being able to control Dribble, unlike nearly every other playable character). The exact same goes for [[Kat & Ana]].<br>And sure, ''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!]]'' and ''[[WarioWare: Move It!]]'' allows players to play as either Dribble or Spitz, or either Kat or Ana, regardless of what player number they are, but in those games, all characters play identically anyway.<br>Sure, arguments could be made that they deserve to be split - different personalities, separate profiles, etc. But it appears ''Get It Together'' has made a major distinction between character duos like Ashley & Red, and character duos like Dribble & Spitz. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:40, January 21, 2024 (EST)
+:I wouldn't necessarily say that ''Get it Together'' was done due to some internal logic about character pairs, it's almost definitely just a choice related to gameplay/narrative. There's no reason to think Dribble and Spitz '''couldn't''' appear separately in a future title if the developers wanted. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 13:16, January 24, 2024 (EST)
+Missed opportunity to title the proposal "Dribble & Splitz". {{User:ThePowerPlayer/sig}} 22:33, January 23, 2024 (EST)
+== Spitz's species ==
+I know he looks cat-ish, but I was under the impression that Spitz is an actual {{wp|spitz}}, just heavily stylized. Note that some of the dogs in this family are smaller-scale, fitting his appearance next to Dribble, and they tend to have short, upward-pointed ears not unlike a cat. In fact, he looks fairly similar to the Japanese {{wp|Hokkaido (dog)|hokkaido}} or {{wp|shiba inu}} breeds. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:24, January 22, 2024 (EST)
+:In the intro for the pair in Smooth Moves, Spitz literally gives out a loud meow like a cat, and he also meows in a few of his voice clips in Get it Together. [[User:Sdman213|Sdman213]] ([[User talk:Sdman213|talk]]) 01:24, January 22, 2024 (EST)
+:I thought it was fairly obvious Spitz is supposed to be a cat. As Sdman said, Spitz meows on occasion, and fish-based [[Prezzy|Prezzies]] such as Tuna and Sushi are generally highly favored by Spitz, whereas they're good-to-middling to Dribble. {{User:Arend/sig}} 01:28, January 22, 2024 (EST)
+:There's also a Get It Together voice clip where he says he's "one cool cat" (probably intentional pun), and an animation in that game where he uses his bazooka as a scratching post. And if Dribble isn't named after his breed of dog, Spitz doesn't have to be either. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:58, January 22, 2024 (EST)
+::Makes sense. I'll admit ''WarioWare'' gags aren't my forte. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:15, January 22, 2024 (EST)
+::Yeah, I should mention that Dribble and Spitz are most likely named after types of saliva instead of dog breeds. As in, ''dribble'' (aka drool), and ''spit''. Dunno why there's an extra Z at the end of Spitz's name... probably to make it cooler, or sound more like a name. In either case, this at least connect the two names together, much like how "Kat" and "Ana" can be merged to form the Japanese sword "katana", how "Cricket", "Mantis" and "Cicada" are all types of insects, or how 9-Volt, 18-Volt, 5-Volt (5-Watt) and 13-Amp are electricity-related. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:00, January 22, 2024 (EST)
+:[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/azwj/dribble/diary2.html Spitz is explicitly referred to as a cat on the website for the first WarioWario game, so I think that settles it.] [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 03:04, January 24, 2024 (EST)