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==Censor== | |||
Glowsquid has a point. WE SHOULD CENSOR/REMOVE that part. {{User:Max2/sig}} | Glowsquid has a point. WE SHOULD CENSOR/REMOVE that part. {{User:Max2/sig}} | ||
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:The problem is, where do you draw the line? As I've noted before, Peach and Daisy wear some very revealing soccer outfits. Should that be censored? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | :The problem is, where do you draw the line? As I've noted before, Peach and Daisy wear some very revealing soccer outfits. Should that be censored? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
Maybe Template:Censor might be good saying "Warning: This article contains swearing and/or adult content" or stuff like that. Uh...as I type this I'm beginig to think the wiki went too far.http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' | Maybe Template:Censor might be good saying "Warning: This article contains swearing and/or adult content" or stuff like that. Uh...as I type this I'm beginig to think the wiki went too far.http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' | ||
:Isn't adult content is relative? Kids should not be able to read SSB Melee content, as the game is rated teen. The violence is too much for kids under age 13 to handle, and they should be warned. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | :Isn't adult content is relative? Kids should not be able to read SSB Melee content, as the game is rated teen. The violence is too much for kids under age 13 to handle, and they should be warned. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
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== Vote for Template:Mature == | == Vote for Template:Mature == | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|5-7|no template}} | |||
'''Add Template''' | '''Add Template''' | ||
#{{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} The "F" word is a very horrible word, people should be given at least a warning about the page. | #{{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} The "F" word is a very horrible word, people should be given at least a warning about the page. | ||
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:THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ON THE FORUM. Glad someone listened. {{User:3dejong/sig|GAR!}} | :THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ON THE FORUM. Glad someone listened. {{User:3dejong/sig|GAR!}} | ||
::Kid-friendly games...hmm, yes you have a point there. But censoring encyclopedia is...bad, in my opinion. The show/hide option should remain-let's just leave it like that. | ::Kid-friendly games...hmm, yes you have a point there. But censoring encyclopedia is...bad, in my opinion. The show/hide option should remain-let's just leave it like that. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> Also, it isn't so kid-friendly if there's T games in the series (Smash Bros. games and DOnkey Konga games-also E10 rated games) | ||
Yes, Snack is absolutuley right about the "This may be an encyclopedia, but it is an encyclopedia based on a series of KID-FRIENDLY games" thing. That's exactly what I've been trying to say. But this works to protect the quote to and more people like it... so I'm going to settle for this. I don't want to get into the argument again. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | Yes, Snack is absolutuley right about the "This may be an encyclopedia, but it is an encyclopedia based on a series of KID-FRIENDLY games" thing. That's exactly what I've been trying to say. But this works to protect the quote to and more people like it... so I'm going to settle for this. I don't want to get into the argument again. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | ||
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LOOK HERE, EVERYONE. This is the MARIOWIKI, not the HALO 3 WIKI. If this was a wiki based on, say, an "M" rated game like '''Bioshock''', people would expect that we would have stuff like this and steer clear. But Mario games are ALWAYS rated E/E10+. There is a MUCH better chance that a young kid could be scarred by this than by going on the Wikipedia, or the Bioshock wikia. GET IT? We always have been a little different; we make our own rules here. OK? It's all right for an encyclopedia like ours to censor this stuff. {{User:3dejong/sig|my, what thick skulls you have!}} | LOOK HERE, EVERYONE. This is the MARIOWIKI, not the HALO 3 WIKI. If this was a wiki based on, say, an "M" rated game like '''Bioshock''', people would expect that we would have stuff like this and steer clear. But Mario games are ALWAYS rated E/E10+. There is a MUCH better chance that a young kid could be scarred by this than by going on the Wikipedia, or the Bioshock wikia. GET IT? We always have been a little different; we make our own rules here. OK? It's all right for an encyclopedia like ours to censor this stuff. {{User:3dejong/sig|my, what thick skulls you have!}} | ||
:OMG, there's a huge warning that warns kids. If the kids want to be scared then let them click on show. There. They see what they shouldn't have. Their fault. | :OMG, there's a huge warning that warns kids. If the kids want to be scared then let them click on show. There. They see what they shouldn't have. Their fault. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
I'm talking about if the proposal goes through and the "warning" gets removed. The warning is a great idea and will be just fine. {{User:3dejong/sig|LOL, BANANAS}} | I'm talking about if the proposal goes through and the "warning" gets removed. The warning is a great idea and will be just fine. {{User:3dejong/sig|LOL, BANANAS}} | ||
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Thank you 3D. That's what I was trying to say. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 20:12, 26 February 2008 (EST) | Thank you 3D. That's what I was trying to say. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 20:12, 26 February 2008 (EST) | ||
:D'oh. | :D'oh. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
The quote should be fully shown, and the page should be unprotected. This site has porn ads, I don't see why swearing is problem. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 21:55, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | The quote should be fully shown, and the page should be unprotected. This site has porn ads, I don't see why swearing is problem. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 21:55, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
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==Proposal== | ==Proposal== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-13|leave the quote}} | |||
The quote of this page is horrible.I propose we delete it because it has a horrible word in it. | The quote of this page is horrible.I propose we delete it because it has a horrible word in it. | ||
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If somebody can find a better quote, it can be replaced; swearing shouldn't be a factor. --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}} | If somebody can find a better quote, it can be replaced; swearing shouldn't be a factor. --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}} | ||
==Suggestion== | ==Suggestion== | ||
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==Replace Quote== | ==Replace Quote== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-2-14|keep the current quote}} | |||
What about a new quote to replace the current one? I think the real issue is that having a quote, be it negative or not, outweighs not having one at all. However, the current quote is both outright negative and contains profanity. Surely there's something better to use? In fact, I've found several potential replacements that far better portray Hoskins and the film. | What about a new quote to replace the current one? I think the real issue is that having a quote, be it negative or not, outweighs not having one at all. However, the current quote is both outright negative and contains profanity. Surely there's something better to use? In fact, I've found several potential replacements that far better portray Hoskins and the film. | ||
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====Replace Quote with option #1==== | ====Replace Quote with option #1==== | ||
Suggested replacement #1: {{ | Suggested replacement #1: {{quote2|After I did 'Roger Rabbit,' my younger son wouldn't talk to me. It took me about two weeks to figure out that he reckoned that any father who had friends like Bugs Bunny, Yosemite Sam, Daffy Duck, and who didn't bring them home to meet him, well, his father was a total (jerk). '''The basic premise of all this business is that everybody's totally insane. They are. They are completely insane. And that's wonderful.'''|Bob Hoskins|Los Angeles Times article}} | ||
#{{User|Redstar}} - Per proposal | #{{User|Redstar}} - Per proposal | ||
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====Replace Quote with option #2==== | ====Replace Quote with option #2==== | ||
Suggested replacement #2: {{ | Suggested replacement #2: {{quote2|My 7-year-old son is quite depressed about my playing Mario," he says. "He knows I can't even program a VCR, yet alone play the game. '''How do I prepare for the role? I'm the right shape. I've got a mustache. I worked as a plumber's apprentice for about three weeks and set the plumber's boots on fire with a blowtorch.'''|Bob Hoskins|Los Angeles Times article}} | ||
#{{User|Pink Boozooka}} I agree with this. Whatever the choice, the current one should be censored or removed. | #{{User|Pink Boozooka}} I agree with this. Whatever the choice, the current one should be censored or removed. | ||
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====Keep Current Quote==== | ====Keep Current Quote==== | ||
Current quote: {{ | Current quote: {{quote2|The worst thing I ever did? Super Mario Brothers. It was a fuckin' nightmare. The whole experience was a nightmare. It had a husband-and-wife team directing, whose arrogance had been mistaken for talent. After so many weeks their own agent told them to get off the set! Fuckin' nightmare. Fuckin' idiots.|Bob Hoskins|"The Guardian" interview}} | ||
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Sigh, look at the reasons for opposing in the other 'Proposal' section. Per all those. Also, that first quote is terrible and has nothing to do with Mario. The second one is nothing special. Anyway, it's just a little bit of swearing. What harm will it do, most everyone has heard a swear word in their life, and this article is off the beaten track anyway. | #{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Sigh, look at the reasons for opposing in the other 'Proposal' section. Per all those. Also, that first quote is terrible and has nothing to do with Mario. The second one is nothing special. Anyway, it's just a little bit of swearing. What harm will it do, most everyone has heard a swear word in their life, and this article is off the beaten track anyway. | ||
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Why do we have to worry so much, who the heck is going to search for Bob Hoskins? {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 20:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC) | Why do we have to worry so much, who the heck is going to search for Bob Hoskins? {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 20:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
@MCD: Does it matter? Anyways, we don't need information on what happened in the movie because this is not an article ''on'' the movie, the subject at hand here is Bob Hoskins so we must have a quote that represents Bob Hoskins, not the Super Mario Bros. movie. I say we cut it down again and see how people react. {{User|Marioguy1}} | @MCD: Does it matter? Anyways, we don't need information on what happened in the movie because this is not an article ''on'' the movie, the subject at hand here is Bob Hoskins so we must have a quote that represents Bob Hoskins, not the Super Mario Bros. movie. I say we cut it down again and see how people react. {{User|Marioguy1}} | ||
==I Know This is the 5 millionth Complaint, but...== | ==I Know This is the 5 millionth Complaint, but...== | ||
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Stop. All of you. We've been through this over and over, and we always come to the same conclusion. The discussion is over. Go do something productive. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:50, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | Stop. All of you. We've been through this over and over, and we always come to the same conclusion. The discussion is over. Go do something productive. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:50, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
== I've got a show/hide version of the quote! == | ==I've got a show/hide version of the quote!== | ||
{|class="expandable" align=center width=90% style="border:2px solid red;background:red" | {|class="expandable" align=center width=90% style="border:2px solid red;background:red" | ||
! bgcolor=Red|[[File:Warning.svg|40px]]Warning! This page contains swearing. Press show to see the swearing. | ! bgcolor=Red|[[File:Warning.svg|40px]]Warning! This page contains swearing. Press show to see the swearing. | ||
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|{{ | |{{quote2|The worst thing I ever did? Super Mario Brothers. It was a f*ckin' nightmare. The whole experience was a nightmare. It had a husband-and-wife team directing, whose arrogance had been mistaken for talent. After so many weeks their own agent told them to get off the set! F*ckin' nightmare. F*ckin' idiots.|Bob Hoskins|"The Guardian" interview}} | ||
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Hurts my eyes like that Electric Soldier Porygon episode of Pokemon. Plus, if it's hidden by a template, why censor it? Having a seizure, [[User:Magikrazy51|The Magikjhfajflsfhajlvnas]] [[File:Magikrazy.png|30px]]. | Hurts my eyes like that Electric Soldier Porygon episode of Pokemon. Plus, if it's hidden by a template, why censor it? Having a seizure, [[User:Magikrazy51|The Magikjhfajflsfhajlvnas]] [[File:Magikrazy.png|30px]]. | ||
Here's a better revision of the show/hide revision of the quote. The background is changed to yellow to make it easier on people's eyes, and I used the term "foul", instead of "swear". Anyway, the Super Mario Wiki is child-friendly, so not hiding this quote would be going against that policy. | |||
{|class="expandable" align=left width=70% style="border:2px solid red;background:yellow" | |||
![[File:Warning.svg|40px]] Warning! This quote contains foul words. Click "show" to view the quote. | |||
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{{quote2|The worst thing I ever did? Super Mario Brothers. It was a fuckin' nightmare. The whole experience was a nightmare. It had a husband-and-wife team directing, whose arrogance had been mistaken for talent. After so many weeks their own agent told them to get off the set! Fuckin' nightmare. Fuckin' idiots.|Bob Hoskins|"The Guardian" interview}} | |||
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|} {{User:M&SG/sig}} 21:17, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
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No, we are NOT censoring the quote. Not with asterisks, not by shortening it, not by replacing it, and certainly not with a garish template. Our mandate us not to protect children, but to provide everyone with all the information we possible can in an efficient and professional manner. It's not nudity or gore, it's a ''word'', and it's not against policy AT ALL. Users aren't allowed to swear at each other, since that's flaming, but that's not the case here. If any policy page says we can't have profanity in quotations in our articles, then it's outdated and wrong. Every discussion and proposal trying to get rid of the profanity has failed, and they will continue to fail: the community has spoken, repeatedly. The quotation and all it's profanity is staying: live with it. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:44, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
I merely ran into this article while patrolling edits. I did find it odd that the article displayed foul words, since most places that I go to don't tolerate such words. And after all this time, I thought we were all about being child-friendly. Boy am I a sucker. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 22:03, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
I realized something. What kind of kid would look up Bob Hoskins? Even if they were unlucky enough to stumble across this movie, kids don't pay attenion to the scrollin' credits! They just call him Mario or Eddie Valiant. {{User|Magikrazy51}} [[File:Magikrazy.png|30px]] | |||
I know a wiki with a swearing template (the HR wiki), but allusions to swearing are so common in Homestar Runner, it has its own article as opposed to ONE instance in ONE obscure article that no kid would look up as explained by my above statement. If the Mario world had swearing or allusions to it, I'd suggest a template, but instead I say "No thanks, officer. Iv'e got one big round one". {{User|Magikrazy51}} [[File:Magikrazy.png|30px]] | |||
Actually, I found this article with the categories and I'm 9. {{User|Paper Mario Kart}} | |||
==Image== | ==Image== | ||
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:Nifty. And handy: if it's not ''exactly'' from the film, it's not just some old picture of Mario that we're repurposing - it's a unique image that shows Hoskins as Mario. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:56, 5 August 2011 (EDT) | :Nifty. And handy: if it's not ''exactly'' from the film, it's not just some old picture of Mario that we're repurposing - it's a unique image that shows Hoskins as Mario. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:56, 5 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
::I would prefer using some other image; preferably one used for promotional purposes. I could probably dig up something from the site. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:31, 5 August 2011 (EDT) | ::I would prefer using some other image; preferably one used for promotional purposes. I could probably dig up something from the site. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:31, 5 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
:FINALLY! Something on this talk page not about the F-Word! It's about time we set that aside! [[User:Magikrazy51|The Magikrazy]] [[File:Magikrazy.png|30px]] | |||
==Hoskins' kid== | |||
I would like to remove the portion of the article that suggests that Hoskins' only discovered what Super Mario Bros. is when his son told him. However, I keep being reverted for no reason. There is no source for this assertion and as such has no place in the article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 23:14, 21 November 2011 (EST) | |||
==I have no title for this== | |||
Excuse me, didn't this wiki was child-friendly? | |||
Swear words '''do not make this wiki as it seems, child-friendly'''. --[[User:Super Famicom 64|Super Famicom 64]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:We are an encyclopedia we do not have to be child friendly. Also we've had 3 different proposals and they have all ruled against censorship {{User|Raven Effect}} | |||
::What G-Shoe said. See every single section above you except for the 2 more recent ones. [[User:Good Magikrazy|The Magikrazy]] | |||
:::I know it. To tell you, most of the new users of this wiki are children and if they get into this article with swearing, they would get scared. --[[User:Super Famicom 64|Super Famicom 64]] 15:59, 21 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
::::Words are not scary. They're ''words''. We're not going to compromise the integrity of the wiki to "protect" people from ultimately harmless assemblages of letters, and sections like this are nothing but a waste of time. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 20:27, 23 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::::Although I disagree about Walkazo with how "scary" the vulgar words are (there's a reason they're usually not used in any formal conversations and why many schools frown upon it when kids say it out loud), we are against censoring and that's <u>final</u>. We have tons of discussions regarding this and all are resolved. We have our reasons for censoring these words. Valid reasons. End of story. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}} | |||
I agree, kids younger than '''SEVEN''' search this wiki they really don't need to see that. [[User:The real yoshi]][[File:SMW2yoshi.gif]] | |||
:Doesn't matter: we're not censoring the wiki. (And please put new comments at the bottom, not in the middle of 5-year-old discussions.) - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:56, 12 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Illness== | |||
Not sure if this is something we want to consider adding to the article or not, but Bob Hoskins stated today that he has been diagnosed with Parkinsons disease and will be retiring from acting. Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/08/entertainment-us-bobhoskins-parkinsons-idUSBRE8771B620120808?feedType=RSS -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:12, 8 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
== the quote == | |||
No, this isn't about censoring it. | |||
I think it needs to be shortened. The quote takes up as much space as the actual information about him. It's pretty ridiculous. I think this would be a suitable shortening. | |||
"The worst thing I ever did? Super Mario Brothers. It was a fuckin' nightmare. The whole experience was a nightmare." | |||
Anyone else agree or is the length fine? {{User|Magikrazy}} | |||
:I'd rather see the article lengthened rather than chopping out some of the scarce, interesting content in the name of balance balance: that's kinda going the ''opposite'' direction from improving the page. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 15:27, 10 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::I think two aspects of quotes are this, by priority: if they illustrate the character and if they're succinct. But I do think the article needs an expansion first as well, and the quote also includes its ''why'' as well, which really isn't explained in this article. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:40, 10 December 2015 (EST) | |||
Well yeah, expanding is normally preferred, but when I posted this, I figured there wasn't much more to add. Now that I think about it, that's not true. {{User|Magikrazy}} | |||
== Change the quote == | |||
Okay, I get it. I know we can't censor the quote but can we at least change it? Because like what if a kid like around 3-10 sees that and they've never heard the word before. Could we at least change it to some other quote that doesn't have swearing because I am a little concerned for that because kids are on this site too. So is it okay to change it? {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 05:08, 21 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:afaik the quote has stayed the same ever since 2007, so it's very unlikely that it will ever change. {{User:Lord Bowser/sig}} 06:37, 21 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAvNJl_06Ew#t=2m28s --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 11:10, 21 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
::The quote isn't going to be changed due to the use of profanity. Please the "personal beliefs and moral values" point at [[MarioWiki:Courtesy#Censorship]]. | |||
::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:48, 24 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Thanks YoshiKong I totally get it now :) {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 04:57, 24 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
Unless there are novel and interesting points being made about this subject matter, I actually want any more conversations about this to be removed. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:59, 24 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Per this, adding up with what I, uh, said about [[Talk:Vivian|Vivian's gender]] {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:03, 24 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
That's dumb. kids might Look at this page so it should Be Censored. and Why can't users swear? i have fricken' freedom of speech! - LUIGIROCKS7 | |||