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==Merge Triple Bananas and Giant Banana into the general Banana article==
==Merge Triple Bananas and Giant Banana into the general Banana article==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">MERGE ARTICLES 4-1-0-0</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|4-1-0-0|merge articles}}
 
I read the articles and [[Triple Bananas]] are the same as a single [[Banana]], and The Banana article already explains about [[Giant Banana]]s (in the Mario Kart Double Dash section, so I propose we combine them into one article.
I read the articles and [[Triple Bananas]] are the same as a single [[Banana]], and The Banana article already explains about [[Giant Banana]]s (in the Mario Kart Double Dash section, so I propose we combine them into one article.


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<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Comments</div>
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OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[Giant Green Shell]], [[Giant Bob-omb]], etc). {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[Giant Green Shell]], [[Giant Bob-omb]], etc). {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
:That's what I said at the [[Talk:Giant Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
:That's what I said at the [[Talk:Big Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}}
::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}}
:::There is a talk page proposal. It's here: [[Talk:Banana Bunch]]. {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}}
:::There is a talk page proposal. It's here: [[Talk:Banana Bunch]]. {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}}
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==Split Banana and Banana Bunch==
==Split Banana and Banana Bunch==
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<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T SPLIT 4-8</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-8|don't split}}
 
Bananas are single items, different from 5 or 10 bananas in one. They are found in different areas, and they are worth more than one. I honestly think this should have it's own page. I also know that Banana Bunch is not a section on this page, but it redirects to here.
Bananas are single items, different from 5 or 10 bananas in one. They are found in different areas, and they are worth more than one. I honestly think this should have it's own page. I also know that Banana Bunch is not a section on this page, but it redirects to here.


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==[[Banana]] and [[Banana Peel]]==
==[[Banana]] and [[Banana Peel]]==
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<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">KEEP MERGED 0-7</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-7|keep merged}}
 
Why are these merged? Bananas and Banana Peels are two completely different things.Bananas from the ''Donkey Kong'' series are like coins,are not opened,and don't have a face.Banana Peels from the ''Mario Kart'' series are completely different.They serve as obstacles and they look different too.They arent even bananas,theyre just the peels.These were never intended to be the same thing.As LGM said,''Bananas'' are used for various reasons,while ''Banana Peels'' are always used to slip people.
Why are these merged? Bananas and Banana Peels are two completely different things.Bananas from the ''Donkey Kong'' series are like coins,are not opened,and don't have a face.Banana Peels from the ''Mario Kart'' series are completely different.They serve as obstacles and they look different too.They arent even bananas,theyre just the peels.These were never intended to be the same thing.As LGM said,''Bananas'' are used for various reasons,while ''Banana Peels'' are always used to slip people.


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==Split Giant Banana and Banana==
==Split Giant Banana and Banana==
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<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T SPLIT 11-10</span> (See [[MarioWiki:Proposals|Proposal Rule 10]])
{{ProposalOutcome|no consensus|11-10|don't split}}
 
Giant Bananas have official names appear in multiple games and on top of that split off into multiple bananas when hit i don't see any reason why they are merged with regular bananas and i think they should be split much like how Giant Bob-omb is split from Bob-omb they are different items with similar effects but they are not the same.
Giant Bananas have official names appear in multiple games and on top of that split off into multiple bananas when hit i don't see any reason why they are merged with regular bananas and i think they should be split much like how Giant Bob-omb is split from Bob-omb they are different items with similar effects but they are not the same.


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== Split Giant Banana From Banana ==
== Split Giant Banana From Banana ==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 15-0</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|15-0|split}}
 
It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with [[Giant Blue Shell|every]] [[Giant Cannonball|single]] [[Giant Coin|other]] [[Giant Question Block|item]] [[Giant Ninji|or]] [[Mega Guy|enemy]] [[Giant Yoshi Egg|that]] [[Giant Green Shell|is]] [[Giant Bob-omb|currently]] [[Giant Red Shell|has]] [[Big Fuzzy|an]] [[Big Goomba|article]] [[Mega Goomba (species)|on]] [[Mega Goomba (boss)|the]] [[Mega Unagi|Mario]] [[Mega Chomp|Wiki]]. Honestly, I think the barrage of links speaks for itself; there is an overwhelming precedence for giving articles to entities that vary from their counterparts in size, so I don't see why the Giant Banana should be left out.
It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with [[Giant Blue Shell|every]] [[Giant Cannonball|single]] [[Giant Coin|other]] [[Giant Question Block|item]] [[Giant Ninji|or]] [[Mega Guy|enemy]] [[Giant Yoshi Egg|that]] [[Giant Green Shell|is]] [[Giant Bob-omb|currently]] [[Giant Red Shell|has]] [[Big Fuzzy|an]] [[Big Goomba|article]] [[Mega Goomba (species)|on]] [[Mega Goomba (boss)|the]] [[Mega Unagi|Mario]] [[Mega Chomp|Wiki]]. Honestly, I think the barrage of links speaks for itself; there is an overwhelming precedence for giving articles to entities that vary from their counterparts in size, so I don't see why the Giant Banana should be left out.


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==Split Banana and Banana Peel==
==Split Banana and Banana Peel==
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There's a pretty significant difference between a coin equivalent and an item used to trip people. The only reason to keep these merged is that they're both bananas, which isn't really a compelling argument (unless you think all those Paper Mario mushrooms should be merged).
There's a pretty significant difference between a coin equivalent and an item used to trip people. The only reason to keep these merged is that they're both bananas, which isn't really a compelling argument (unless you think all those Paper Mario mushrooms should be merged).
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#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per proposal.
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per proposal.
#{{User|Sonic98}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Sonic98}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Tails777}} I dunno, the peel of the banana and the banana itself seem pretty different to me.
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per proposal.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal.


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
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::I honestly don't get what your trying to say. Can we not just create an article for the peel of a banana and mention in said article that some games do refer to it as a banana regardless of its actions. I still feel like comparing a Donkey Kong equivalent to a coin to an item used to trip people is enough to say they should be separated. It just feels inconsistent to me to keep them merged. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
::I honestly don't get what your trying to say. Can we not just create an article for the peel of a banana and mention in said article that some games do refer to it as a banana regardless of its actions. I still feel like comparing a Donkey Kong equivalent to a coin to an item used to trip people is enough to say they should be separated. It just feels inconsistent to me to keep them merged. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:::[[Coin]]s function differently in games too. In Mario platformers, they're used to get 100 lives. In Mario Party and Mario RPGs, they're used as currency. In Mario Kart, they're used as fuel. It's a faulty comparison and I think a split would complicate things; Bananas in Mario Kart are simply referred to as bananas for pretty much the entire series. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:24, 10 January 2016 (EST)
:::I haven't worded it well, but if we create the article for the peel of the banana and mention that some games refer to it as "banana", it still doesn't help will searches. Say, a reader sees "banana" and "banana cup" in the instruction booklet and wants to look it up. The reader will most likely search for "banana" or "Mario Kart banana" rather than "banana peel" or something like that. It would be more inconvenient if the reader has to click on another link to go to desired article. Furthermore, this "banana peel" has appeared to be a full banana at least once, so the games treat bananas and banana peels as the same. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:10, 11 January 2016 (EST)
How about splitting into [[Banana (Mario Kart series)|Banana (''Mario Kart'' series)]]? That split would make sense, since both subjects are named "Banana" but the MK bananas have a very specific function compared to the other bananas in this article, which also feels like an encompass-all article. It would make the most sense. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 10:48, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:Yeah, that seems like the best idea. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 12:33, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::It's not a bad idea, but it does potentially open up a can of worms. It's a bit like splitting off the Mario RPG Mushrooms from the Mario platformer Mushrooms, as both have clearly different function (one of them is to heal while the other one makes you grow bigger). And what are we going to do with the Bananas that aren't Donkey Kong items? Why aren't they split, but the Mario Kart bananas are? And should we split the Banana item into its own Smash Bros. article as well (since it's not a Mario Kart series item anyway). My twin has also brought up the bananas from games that ''aren't'' Mario Kart games, but are clearly based off how the ''Mario Kart'' series bananas function (namely Mario Baseball and Mario Strikers and Mario Hoops-3-On-3 and Sports Mix games). I think splitting this article up complicates things a bit, and reserving a specific section for Banana for ''Mario Kart'' series when other game series have their bananas function like Mario Kart's just creates even more confusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 12:46, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::''"It's a bit like splitting off the Mario RPG Mushrooms from the Mario platformer Mushrooms,..."''
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>[[MarioWiki:Proposals#Split_the_Mario_.26_Luigi_and_Super_Mario_RPG_consumables_into_separate_articles|cough]]<nowiki>*</nowiki> - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 12:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::God why am I an idiot. Just ignore that point, however my other points still stand. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 12:53, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:::::And what about splitting up the Banana from Donkey Kong series, since its function is mostly like the coin.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}} 12:58, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the original plan was to leave the Donkey Kong Banana just under a simple "Banana" article without splitting it off but the Mario Kart bananas and their skins get split. However, Bazooka Mario has already stated why it exactly won't work, and I had stated why splitting off Bananas into {{fake link|Banana (Mario Kart)}} is flawed as well. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:03, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::Maybe the recurring one used to slip people could be the normal "Banana" article, and the Donkey Kong-exclusive coin equivalent could be "Banana (Donkey Kong Country)" or something? [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 13:36, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::::::If there were only two distinct uses for bananas, you could try to justify a split, but that's not the case at all. As well as being obstacles in ''Mario Kart'', they're used as similarly slip-causing items in ''SSB'' (attributed to the ''MK'' games as their origin) and ''Strikers'' (and ''Mario Sports Mix'', but as a level hazard, since the bananas as usuable items have different effects); in the ''DK'' series, they've been used as coins, health ''and'' required collectibles to get to bosses (like Stars and Shines in the ''Mario'' 3D platformers); and there's appearances in numerous other series and games with a variety of different attributes. There's no point to separate out any one chunk of the appearances when there are so many equally distinct roles. Best to keep them all in one place. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 13:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:Tucayo: I've thought about that earlier, but decided that it's not a good idea. Bananas aren't strictly ''Mario Kart'' as they are a recurring ''Mario'' item with a devilish smile that is comic relief fodder. Also, you'd end up splitting Red Shell for its homing and non-bounceable properties. Niiue: that leaves out the ''Mario Party'', ''Nintendo Land'', and ''Yoshi's Story'' bananas (and maybe some others given the {{tem|rewrite-expand}}). Overall, the suggestions are flawed, and I think the article is serviceable as it stands. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 13:54, 12 January 2016 (EST)
== Question ==
Where did you get the artwork for the Banana Train. {{user|YoshiFan08}} 06:20, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
:The summary on the [[:File:MKAGPDX Banana Train.png|file page]] lists the source. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:27, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
== What does this mean? ==
"It has been requested that this article be rewritten and expanded to include more information."
where in the article is this talking about? the article looks complete to me. I mean, it has translations, sprites, complete list of games where the banana is used, good references, info from the SSB series, A quote, etc. what more could this article possibly need? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 07:56, April 15th, 2021
:There might be some appearances of bananas not covered in the History section, but there’s no way to know which unless the template specifies them. I always remove expansion templates from pages if it’s ambiguous what needs to be expanded, otherwise they stay up there forever. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 08:30, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
::so should the expansion template be removed then since it's not clear what needs to be expanded? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 08:38, April 15th, 2021 (EST)
::::In my opinion, yes, unless someone adds specifics to the template. I'm removing the rewrite-expand template on the [[Warp Pipe]] page as well. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:10, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Well I found these suspicious-looking yellow things in these images from a game that's not covered here.
:::::[[File:MVDK 2-5 2.png]] [[File:MVDK World 2 End (No Text).png|Donkey Kong getting betrayed by his own bananas]] {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:19, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Which game are those images from? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 15:18, April 17, 2021 (EST)
:::::::[[File:MVDK-Title Screen Theme.oga]] {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:30, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::Oh {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 15:40, April 17, 2021 (EST)
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