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==Superstar Saga== | |||
Are these the same Monty Moles that give away prizes in MLSS? – [[User Talk:Spike|Spike]][[File:Spike Shield.png]] | Are these the same Monty Moles that give away prizes in MLSS? – [[User Talk:Spike|Spike]][[File:Spike Shield.png]] | ||
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**A: Mega Mole is a large variation of the Monty Mole, which unlike the Monty Mole, wears sunglasses. A common rebuke of this is using [[:File:SMW MontyMole.png|this artwork]] to say that Monty Mole has sunglasses in Super Mario World; despite [[:File:MontyMoleL.gif|their sprite]] clearly lacking them. However, with Mister Wu's guide uploads, I can now confirm that [[:File:SMBD page 60.png|''Super Mario World'' art for Monty Moles did not ''always'' have sunglasses]], and in fact, looked like the in-game sprite. This artwork was clearly in usage by Nintendo and not just the guide, as it paved the way for [[:File:MontySM64.png|later]] [[:File:MPA MontyMole.png|appearances]] [[:File:MontyMole MarioFamily.png|in]] [[:File:MontyMole Miracle Moles 6.png|various]] [[:File:MontyMoleYT&G.png|games]] until they were given their modern appearance. Let's compare and contrast the artwork of Monty Mole and Mega Mole as seen there. Mega Mole has, as I've mentioned on numerous occasions, sunglasses and a smug, jutted-out lower lip. Monty Mole, on the other hand, has no sunglasses, and while the face is smug, there isn't a potruding lip to be seen. | **A: Mega Mole is a large variation of the Monty Mole, which unlike the Monty Mole, wears sunglasses. A common rebuke of this is using [[:File:SMW MontyMole.png|this artwork]] to say that Monty Mole has sunglasses in Super Mario World; despite [[:File:MontyMoleL.gif|their sprite]] clearly lacking them. However, with Mister Wu's guide uploads, I can now confirm that [[:File:SMBD page 60.png|''Super Mario World'' art for Monty Moles did not ''always'' have sunglasses]], and in fact, looked like the in-game sprite. This artwork was clearly in usage by Nintendo and not just the guide, as it paved the way for [[:File:MontySM64.png|later]] [[:File:MPA MontyMole.png|appearances]] [[:File:MontyMole MarioFamily.png|in]] [[:File:MontyMole Miracle Moles 6.png|various]] [[:File:MontyMoleYT&G.png|games]] until they were given their modern appearance. Let's compare and contrast the artwork of Monty Mole and Mega Mole as seen there. Mega Mole has, as I've mentioned on numerous occasions, sunglasses and a smug, jutted-out lower lip. Monty Mole, on the other hand, has no sunglasses, and while the face is smug, there isn't a potruding lip to be seen. | ||
***a: There is ''one'' detail suggesting Mega Moles were intended to be simply upscaled Monty Moles, and that is the Monty Moles' [https://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/7/7549.png appearance] in ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga'', released twelve years later, which features sunglasses and smug lips. However, this detail is rendered basically worthless by the fact that in the same game, [[Hammer Bro]]s [[:File:Superstar Saga Hammer Bros.png|took after]] [[Sledge Bro|their respective larger not-quite counterpart]], while [https://www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/marioluigisuperstarsagabowsersminions/sheet/97887/ both] [[:File:MLSSBMHammerBro.png|appear]] on-model in the remake. | ***a: There is ''one'' detail suggesting Mega Moles were intended to be simply upscaled Monty Moles, and that is the Monty Moles' [https://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/7/7549.png appearance] in ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga'', released twelve years later, which features sunglasses and smug lips. However, this detail is rendered basically worthless by the fact that in the same game, [[Hammer Bro]]s [[:File:Superstar Saga Hammer Bros.png|took after]] [[Sledge Bro|their respective larger not-quite counterpart]], while [https://www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/marioluigisuperstarsagabowsersminions/sheet/97887/ both] [[:File:MLSSBMHammerBro.png|appear]] on-model in the remake. | ||
***b: Ordinary Monty Moles are depicted with sunglasses in ''[[:File:MontyMole MK64.png|Mario Kart 64]]'', ''[[:File: | ***b: Ordinary Monty Moles are depicted with sunglasses in ''[[:File:MontyMole MK64.png|Mario Kart 64]]'', ''[[:File:MP3 Monty Mole.jpg|Mario Party 3]]'', and ''[[:File:PMMontyMole.png|Paper Mario]]'', based upon the inaccurate "jumping" artwork from ''Super Mario World''; however, this does not change the fact that the Monty Moles ''has'' artwork for ''Super Mario World'' depicting it without glasses, akin to the game's sprite. Furthermore the art does not appear to be original to that specific guide, as it appears to have been drawn in conjunction with the Mega Mole artork, due to the similar pose and details. ''Paper Mario'' also had other unusual designs, such as giving Pokey [[:File:PokeyPM.png|a strange catlike appearance]] ''possibly'' based tenuously off of [[:File:SMWPokeySprite.png|its ''Super Mario World'' sprites]], as opposed to [[:File:Old Pokey 64.png|its unnecessarily demonic]] ''Super Mario 64'' design, giving [[:File:HammerBroPM.png|Hammer Bro]] a blue helmet and mostly-wooden hammer, giving [[:File:PMDryBones.png|Dry Bones]] hair, making [[:File:SwooperPM.png|Swoop(er)]] purple, making [[:File:BillBlasterPM.png|Bill Blaster]] a generic cannon, making [[:File:PMLavaBubbleBattle.png|Lava Bubble]] an upright flame, giving [[:File:SpikeTop PM.png|Spike Top]] pale tan skin and an orange shell rim and claws, as well as whatever was going on with [[:File:PMBoo.png|Boo]]'s face. | ||
***c: Aside from the ''Superstar Saga'' sprite, all of the sunglass-wearing Monty Moles metioned above lack a jutted-out lower lip, smug expression, or pointy nose, instead having a short, gopher-like nose with a split upper lip with whiskers, like what Monty Moles have had in most games since ''Super Mario 64 DS'', while most prior games (and a few closely-following games) gave them a pushed-out, pointed nose. The large-nosed design also gave them prominent cheeks, while the designs with the gopher-like nose (including most of the sunglass-wearing ones) have flat or even somewhat concave cheeks with no prominence. While the existence of a lower lip comes and goes, they are never as prominent as that of a Mega Mole, again barring the off-model 'Superstar Saga'' sprite. | ***c: Aside from the ''Superstar Saga'' sprite, all of the sunglass-wearing Monty Moles metioned above lack a jutted-out lower lip, smug expression, or pointy nose, instead having a short, gopher-like nose with a split upper lip with whiskers, like what Monty Moles have had in most games since ''Super Mario 64 DS'', while most prior games (and a few closely-following games) gave them a pushed-out, pointed nose. The large-nosed design also gave them prominent cheeks, while the designs with the gopher-like nose (including most of the sunglass-wearing ones) have flat or even somewhat concave cheeks with no prominence. While the existence of a lower lip comes and goes, they are never as prominent as that of a Mega Mole, again barring the off-model 'Superstar Saga'' sprite. | ||
**B: Morty Mole is a large variation of the Monty Mole, with a mahogany body, a tan belly, and a much higher-up face. There is not any eyewear to be seen, which as I pointed out previously, was actually already an abberation among the Moles for the Mega Mole to wear them. Other than that, nothing more appearance-wise to write home about them. | **B: Morty Mole is a large variation of the Monty Mole, with a mahogany body, a tan belly, and a much higher-up face. There is not any eyewear to be seen, which as I pointed out previously, was actually already an abberation among the Moles for the Mega Mole to wear them. Other than that, nothing more appearance-wise to write home about them. | ||