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===DRAGON???===
===DRAGON???===
How is Ridley a dragon? He looks more like an Aerodactyl gone bad. Oh, and dragons don't get reincarnated as robots. Georgedrake Z
How is Ridley a dragon? He looks more like an Aerodactyl gone bad. Oh, and dragons don't get reincarnated as robots. Georgedrake Z
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I fail to see how Ridley looking somewhat similar to an Aerodactyl does not make him a dragon. Also, after he was beaten, Ridley was rebuilt with cybernetics, not reincarnated. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 01:22, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
I fail to see how Ridley looking somewhat similar to an Aerodactyl does not make him a dragon. Also, after he was beaten, Ridley was rebuilt with cybernetics, not reincarnated. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 01:22, 2 August 2008 (EDT)


===Split [[Ridley]] into [[Ridley]] and [[Meta Ridley]]===
==Split [[Ridley]] into [[Ridley]] and [[Meta Ridley]] (2011)==
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Meta Ridley should really have his own article, as he is a separate entity from Ridley; it's really no different than [[Dino Piranha]] and [[Fiery Dino Piranha]], or [[Gobblegut]] and [[Fire Gobblegut]].  
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|22-17|split}}
 
Meta Ridley should really have his own article, as he is a separate entity from Ridley; it's really no different than [[Dino Piranha]] and [[Fiery Dino Piranha]], or [[Gobblegut]] and [[Fire Gobblegut]].


'''Proposer''': {{User|Phoenix}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Phoenix}}<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>March 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> '''Extended''': <s>March 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s>, March 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT
'''Deadline''': <s>March 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> '''Extended''': <s>March 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s>, <s>March 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s>, March 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT


====Support====
===Support===
#{{User|Phoenix}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|Phoenix}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|Arend}} Else articles like [[Midbus]] and [[Blizzard Midbus]] aren't split, right?
#{{User|Arend}} Else articles like [[Midbus]] and [[Blizzard Midbus]] aren't split, right?
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#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Mario}} Per Phoenix
#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Mario}} Per Phoenix
#{{User|Cobold}} - Per Marioguy1.
#{{User|Cobold}} - Per Marioguy1.
#{{User|Doopliss101}} Per all.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per Marioguy's sample article.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Per all. [[Behemoth]] and [[Behemoth King]] got split, I don't see a reason we should exclude this.
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} Nice article, Marioguy.


====Oppose====
===Oppose===
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! I get what you're saying but those monsters are separate creatures, not the same. Meta Ridley is a medically, biologically, advanced creature with cybernetics version of Ridley, they're not separate creatures, and currently we are merging a lot of alter egos together, but overall I think we should leave that for the Metroid Wiki. Zero signing out.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! I get what you're saying but those monsters are separate creatures, not the same. Meta Ridley is a medically, biologically, advanced creature with cybernetics version of Ridley, they're not separate creatures, and currently we are merging a lot of alter egos together, but overall I think we should leave that for the Metroid Wiki. Zero signing out.
#{{User|SWFlash}} Let's split Behemoth King from [[Behemoth]] as well then? Per Zero.
#{{User|SWFlash}} Let's split Behemoth King from [[Behemoth]] as well then? Per Zero.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all. I'd like to see those other "forms" merged with the main articles anyway. Let Metroid Wiki focus on the many facets of Ridley: that's their job, whereas our coverage of his role in ''SSBB'' in both his forms is perfectly fine with this one article.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all. I'd like to see those other "forms" merged with the main articles anyway. Let Metroid Wiki focus on the many facets of Ridley: that's their job, whereas our coverage of his role in ''SSBB'' in both his forms is perfectly fine with this one article.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Technically, we are talking about the exact same Ridley.  Therefore, it would seem pretty redundant to split Ridley's article.  This also applies to similar articles, such as [[Awk]] (which includes Rawk), [[Buckbot]] (which includes Buckbomb), and even [[Behemoth]] (includes Behemoth King), since we don't want to end up with more stubbed articles.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Technically, we are talking about the exact same Ridley.  Therefore, it would seem pretty redundant to split Ridley's article.  This also applies to similar articles, such as [[Awk]] (which includes Rawk), [[BuckBot|Buckbot]] (which includes Buckbomb), and even [[Behemoth]] (includes Behemoth King), since we don't want to end up with more stubbed articles.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - This is the Mario Wiki. Ridley is not part of the ''Mario'' series, only being in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''. His attacks, unlike [[Fire Gobblegut]] and [[Blizzard Midbus]], are not notable, nor named, and are very alike, both to his other attacks as Meta Ridley and his attacks as regular Ridley. There isn't too much physical difference, and his style of fighting hasn't changed much; just the battleground.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - This is the Mario Wiki. Ridley is not part of the ''Mario'' series, only being in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''. His attacks, unlike [[Fire Gobblegut]] and [[Blizzard Midbus]], are not notable, nor named, and are very alike, both to his other attacks as Meta Ridley and his attacks as regular Ridley. There isn't too much physical difference, and his style of fighting hasn't changed much; just the battleground.
#{{User|Knife}} - Per all. I feel that our coverage is fine with this article.
#{{User|Knife}} - Per all. I feel that our coverage is fine with this article.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per all. It quite clearly states in Metroid Prime and elsewhere that they are the same creature, and the difference is only important in the Metroid series.
#{{User|Rise Up Above It}} Yeah, there's not a notable difference or reason for splitting them, other than one is a more cybernetic/mechanised version. Per all.
#{{User|Rise Up Above It}} Yeah, there's not a notable difference or reason for splitting them, other than one is a more cybernetic/mechanised version. Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Unlike Bowser and Giga Bowser, there is no distinct diffrence.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Unlike Bowser and Giga Bowser, there is no distinct diffrence.
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#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Save it for the Metroid Wiki. Per all.
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Save it for the Metroid Wiki. Per all.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Meta Ridley is mere a palette swap of Ridley other than a few "better" attacks and more vitality.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Meta Ridley is mere a palette swap of Ridley other than a few "better" attacks and more vitality.
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} I'd say to split them if this was Metroid Wiki, but it isn't. Per Bop.
#{{User|Yoshiwaker}} Per Gamefreak, also, Smash Bros. isn't a fully Mario game.
#{{User|Yoshiwaker}} Per Gamefreak, also, Smash Bros. isn't a fully Mario game.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per Walkazo, Knife, and Gamefreak75.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per Walkazo, Knife, and Gamefreak75.
#{{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}} - Per all.
#{{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}} - Per all.
#{{User|Turboo}} - per all
#{{User|Turboo}} - per all
#{{user|Bloc Partier}} - Per Walkazo.


====Comments====
===Comments===
M&SG, you're the ones that merged those articles together without anyone discussing anything. Shouldn't you have said something before merging them? And now I'm straying from the topic. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 15:49, 19 February 2011 (EST)
M&SG, you're the ones that merged those articles together without anyone discussing anything. Shouldn't you have said something before merging them? And now I'm straying from the topic. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 15:49, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:Maybe I should've proposed about that, but I never did a proposal before.  I just don't like the idea of seeing articles that appear to be stubbed. {{User|M&SG}} 17:55, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:Maybe I should've proposed about that, but I never did a proposal before.  I just don't like the idea of seeing articles that appear to be stubbed. {{User|M&SG}} 17:55, 19 February 2011 (EST)
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#The second thing I want to say is that "and in [sic] fought with a timer. That is the only difference between them." is not a valid point either, considering the gist of that is "their boss battles are totally different. That is the only difference between them." - that is also the only difference between Meta Ridley and (e.g.) Duon (other than the aforementioned matter of changing appearance).
#The second thing I want to say is that "and in [sic] fought with a timer. That is the only difference between them." is not a valid point either, considering the gist of that is "their boss battles are totally different. That is the only difference between them." - that is also the only difference between Meta Ridley and (e.g.) Duon (other than the aforementioned matter of changing appearance).
#Thirdly "they are separate bosses in the Metroid series, but not really within the Brawl series." - trust me, they are separate bosses in the Brawl series, I've played Brawl enough times to know that.
#Thirdly "they are separate bosses in the Metroid series, but not really within the Brawl series." - trust me, they are separate bosses in the Brawl series, I've played Brawl enough times to know that.
#Finally I'd just like to draw your attention to [[:File:MetaRidley Trophy.jpg|this image]]. I think the image explains my point just by itself.  
#Finally I'd just like to draw your attention to File:MetaRidley Trophy.jpg. I think the image explains my point just by itself.  


Now you see why I have no idea why this proposal has tied twice. {{User:Marioguy1/sig|Do I sound angry to anyone else?}}
Now you see why I have no idea why this proposal has tied twice. {{User:Marioguy1/sig|Do I sound angry to anyone else?}}
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:I also think if they are split, we need to link to the Metroid wiki page (this is something a lot of Brawl pages need) because someone looking here(just for the sake of argument) who owns Brawl might be confused about the Ridley/Meta Ridley differences, and the Metroid wiki page would explain it all. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
:I also think if they are split, we need to link to the Metroid wiki page (this is something a lot of Brawl pages need) because someone looking here(just for the sake of argument) who owns Brawl might be confused about the Ridley/Meta Ridley differences, and the Metroid wiki page would explain it all. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
::Bop: In Brawl, Ridley and Meta Ridley both have very small appearances (they appear in two boss battles each in story mode, that's all) but the appearances are definitely not similar, other than some of the attacks that they use. So yes, they are as different from eachother as they are to any other boss. And if you're doing something because admins are doing it, I'd just like to remind you that admins are all human and therefore make mistakes. It's up to your judgment whether they are or aren't; you must make decisions for yourself (not because someone else is doing it). I promise you, if there is ever a proposal that the admins feel is needed to be opposed drastically, we will take care of it. But on proposals like this, we are just making votes based on our best judgment. {{User|Marioguy1}}
::Bop: In Brawl, Ridley and Meta Ridley both have very small appearances (they appear in two boss battles each in story mode, that's all) but the appearances are definitely not similar, other than some of the attacks that they use. So yes, they are as different from eachother as they are to any other boss. And if you're doing something because admins are doing it, I'd just like to remind you that admins are all human and therefore make mistakes. It's up to your judgment whether they are or aren't; you must make decisions for yourself (not because someone else is doing it). I promise you, if there is ever a proposal that the admins feel is needed to be opposed drastically, we will take care of it. But on proposals like this, we are just making votes based on our best judgment. {{User|Marioguy1}}
I think third extend will be useless, since there's not that many users that voting in proposals. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
Wow, talk about a stalemate... o_0 - {{User|Edofenrir}}
I know! Every time someone supports or opposes, someone else does the opposite right after... {{User|Phoenix}} 05:12, 14 March 2011 (EST)
I don't get it, it was 14 for support and 15 for oppose. Why did it extend? {{User|Magikrazy51}}
:"''6. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.''"
:29 > 10, ergo the deadline was extended. - {{User|Edofenrir}}
::Can we please not concern ourselves with how long the proposal will be going on? It doesn't matter, it will go on for the time that it goes on. Now either talk about the proposal itself or stop talking. {{User|Marioguy1}}
I think I have come to the conclusion that neither side is ''wrong,'' so now it's up to which is "more" right. Whichever article looks better and gives better information is the one that should win. I personally cannot decide, but will support whichever one wins and help make it a great article. {{User|Bop1996}}
:My test page has been expanded; [[User:Marioguy1/Test#Ridley|here's Ridley]] and [[User:Marioguy1/Test|here's Meta Ridley]]. So do you think that those are good articles? {{User|Marioguy1}}
::Huh, looks better than [[Behemoth]] and [[Behemoth King]] that has been split. I wonder why we split it if Meta Ridley has a lot more differences to Ridley than Behemoth to Behemoth King. So I say we should split Ridley and Meta Ridley for consistency. My final opinion: I'm pretty fine with these articles. I see nothing wrong in having both as separate articles. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:::I think they both look great, but then again, I've been saying that from the beginning... {{User|Phoenix}} 02:41, 18 March 2011 (EDT)
::::I agree, I changed my vote. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
I am Zero! <small>a bit late</small> Phoenix, your vote is invalid since the argument, the proposal itself, is invalid. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
:What ''are'' you saying? {{User|Marioguy1}}
Why? {{User|Phoenix}} 00:47, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
:I think what Zero said is that your argument is that they are separate entities, and that has been disproved, so the entire proposal is invalid. I want a split, just for different reasons, mostly because the test article looks ''much'' better than the one we have now. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 08:21, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
I am Zero! ^^ Yep, that's what I mean, Meta Ridley is a cybernetically enhance version of Ridley, but your argument says otherwise and the examples you gave are invalid. Zero signing out. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
:Please don't extend this again! >_< {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}
::Don't worry, I'll change the template to "SettledTPP" at the stroke of midnight GMT. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 14:04, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
:::I'll do it, seeing that it's my proposal... :) {{User|Phoenix}} 17:24, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
::::Alright then, just trying to reassure people that this proposal will finally end =P. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 19:20, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I know, it's a miracle right? I mean, this has been going on for over a month! :D {{User|Phoenix}} 19:24, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yay, we came to a conclusion on this proposal! Finally. Now comes the hard part (maybe not this proposal), acting on it. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 21:04, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
==Remerge Meta Ridley with this page==
See [[Talk:Meta Ridley]]. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 17:14, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
Result was
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|Re-merge with Ridley}}
See [[Talk:Meta Ridley]] for full details. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 20:32, 16 July 2018 (EDT)