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::::Yeah, but Nintendo has commonly acted as though that was his only name at the time, despite that not being the case. They've probably gone down the whole "look online for own company history" rabbit hole. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:30, 22 October 2018 (EDT) | ::::Yeah, but Nintendo has commonly acted as though that was his only name at the time, despite that not being the case. They've probably gone down the whole "look online for own company history" rabbit hole. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:30, 22 October 2018 (EDT) | ||
The article prioritizes the original arcade version, mentioning that Jumpman was first rebranded as Mario in [[:File:Donkeykongflier.jpg|that specific promotional flyer]] by Nintendo of America (and its [[:File:Donkey Kong - Flyer FR.jpg|translation]]). In addition to the [https://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/D/dk-tkg4u.pdf operation manual] and [https://imgur.com/GgGz1gn marquee card,] you can see Jumpman is still present in most other arcade materials such as an instruction [[:File:Donkey Kong - Instruction Page.jpg|page]] and [[:File:Donkey Kong - Instruction Banner.jpg|banner]], which I imagine most players would have been more immediately aware of when physically playing the game. The idea that Jumpman was never used in Japanese is also false - while we don't currently have pictures of the Japanese version explicitly showing ジャンプマン (although I'm fairly certain I've casually come across scans online somewhere), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnu-EqVGRow&t=2m15s Don James confirmed it.] You may be thinking of when the names Ossan and then Mr. Video were tossed around when Shigeru Miyamoto was [https://web.archive.org/web/20101009201546/http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/mario25th/vol2_page4.jsp initially] designing the character, but they never ended up in any released materials. Basically, the reason why ''Arcade Archives'' version uses Jumpman is to be as authentic to the 1981 experience as possible since Mario only overtook Jumpman in home ports the following years. So I disagree with calling this an [[List of rumors and urban legends about Mario#The usage of the name .22Jumpman.22|urban legend]] because I don't believe the article was misleading (if the ''Mario Bros.'' game page claimed that it was the first in-game reference of the name Mario, it should've been corrected a long time ago since that honor belongs to ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOJN-zq6yg&t=7s Donkey Kong Junior]''). In anything, the real story should be the name of Lady / the lady, which the PAL version of ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS'' / ''Wii U'' claimed was originally her name in Japan when the name Pauline didn't actually appear in game material until the western NES port and then for Game Boy ''Donkey Kong'' in Japan (oddly enough, it seems it was first used in ''Saturday Supercade''). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:50, 19 November 2018 (EST) | The article prioritizes the original arcade version, mentioning that Jumpman was first rebranded as Mario in [[:File:Donkeykongflier.jpg|that specific promotional flyer]] by Nintendo of America (and its [[:File:Donkey Kong - Flyer FR.jpg|translation]]). In addition to the [https://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/D/dk-tkg4u.pdf operation manual] and [https://imgur.com/GgGz1gn marquee card,] you can see Jumpman is still present in most other arcade materials such as an instruction [[:File:Donkey Kong - Instruction Page.jpg|page]] and [[:File:Donkey Kong - Instruction Banner.jpg|banner]], which I imagine most players would have been more immediately aware of when physically playing the game. The idea that Jumpman was never used in Japanese is also false - while we don't currently have pictures of the Japanese version explicitly showing ジャンプマン (although I'm fairly certain I've casually come across scans online somewhere), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnu-EqVGRow&t=2m15s Don James confirmed it.] You may be thinking of when the names Ossan and then Mr. Video were tossed around when Shigeru Miyamoto was [https://web.archive.org/web/20101009201546/http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/mario25th/vol2_page4.jsp initially] designing the character, but they never ended up in any released materials. Basically, the reason why ''Arcade Archives'' version uses Jumpman is to be as authentic to the 1981 experience as possible since Mario only overtook Jumpman in home ports the following years. So I disagree with calling this an [[List of rumors and urban legends about Mario#The usage of the name .22Jumpman.22|urban legend]] because I don't believe the article was misleading (if the ''Mario Bros.'' game page claimed that it was the first in-game reference of the name Mario, it should've been corrected a long time ago since that honor belongs to ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOJN-zq6yg&t=7s Donkey Kong Junior]''). In anything, the real story should be the name of Lady / the lady, which the PAL version of ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS'' / ''Wii U'' claimed was originally her name in Japan when the name Pauline didn't actually appear in game material until the western NES port and then for Game Boy ''Donkey Kong'' in Japan (oddly enough, it seems it was first used in ''Saturday Supercade''). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:50, 19 November 2018 (EST) | ||
:Except as I said before, players would not be familiar with the operation manual, as it was a collection of schematics intended for employers and employees only, with the name, once again, only being used in reference to the life counter. The marquee is the ''only'' area that "Jumpman" was shown to the public at the time, and it wasn't even on all machines. And you're also forgetting the fact that the G&W game's manual additionally calls him Mario, and that seems to have come before DKJr, if my ordering of the Donkey Kong gallery based on release date is any indication. As for the "why would it not have gone corrected," it was ''ages'' until Luigi's article finally acknowledged that the G&W ''Mario Bros.'' was released before the arcade game of the same name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:51, 19 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Requesting sprite of a rivet == | == Requesting sprite of a rivet == | ||
A sprite of a [[rivet]], preferably from the arcade version should be uploaded and added to the items section.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 07:13, 19 November 2018 (EST) | A sprite of a [[rivet]], preferably from the arcade version should be uploaded and added to the items section.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 07:13, 19 November 2018 (EST) | ||