Editing Template talk:Foreign names

How are we to handle different translations into the same language? Case in point, the page for the [[Fountain]] lists its French name as "Salle de bains", which I presume is the name in the PAL version of SMG, because the NTSC French version calls it "la Fontaine". How should one remark both names? [[User:Gus|Gus]] 03:34, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Actually, I didn't even know that ''Mario'' games are available in different languages in North America. Are there more languages in North American versions (European ones usually offer five languages)? And what about Latin America, do they get ''Mario'' games in Spanish and Portuguese or just the English versions? And what is Rosalina named in NTSC French version, Harmonie like in French European version or Rosalina? Uh, to answer your question, I'd just enter both names like done [[Spiny#Foreign Names|here]]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 06:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
The back of the NTSC Super Mario Galaxy box mentions the game is available in French and Spanish. [http://www.mobygames.com/game/wii/super-mario-galaxy/cover-art/gameCoverId,98316/ See here]. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:08, 23 January 2009 (EST)

==French and Spanish in the Americas==
It seems that there are more and more French and Spanish names that differ between Europe and the Americas since the versions for the latter region are available in three languages recently. Should we create separate entries for French and Spanish names in the Americas? Just a suggestion, continuing the current way is also fine for me. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:56, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

:I went ahead and added this functionality to the template.  It seems like a better solution to me, but users who prefer the current system can still use it.  Also, which dialect(s) of Chinese are Mario games released in?  This seems like something we should specify. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 11:13, 1 November 2009 (EST)

::I looked at the game names listed in the iQue article and they all must be in Mandarin; the names don't come out properly in any dialect that preserves final consonants (almost all the others).  "Mario" becomes "Ma-lik-au" and "Zelda" becomes "Choi-yi-daat" in Cantonese.  [[User:Sarisa|Sarisa]] 11:19, 10 November 2009 (EST)

==Prefix==
Why is everything but Dutch the first three letters for the prefix (e.g. Spa=Spanish, Ger=German, Chi=Chinese, etc)? Shouldn't Dutch be "Dut" rather than "Ndl"? --{{User|Garlic Man}}

:I suppose it's because the Dutch word for Dutch is "Nederlands". But that's not consistent with the prefixes for Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and German, of course. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 15:54, 30 January 2010 (EST)

::Exactly. Japanese would have to be Nip, German would be Deu, Spanish would be Esp, etc. Thus, I've changed Dutch to "Dut". (I'll fix any articles that use the "Ndl" prefix for the template; although I doubt it's used very often) --{{User|Garlic Man}}

==The Example==

As the standard way of inserting a Japanese name into the foreignname template is to write the name in Japanese characters after the Jap= followed by the romanisation after JapR=, should the example be changed to reflect this? It currently puts a romanised name after Jap=, which is not how it is normally done unless the correct way of writing the name in Japanese characters is unknown.-[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 19:01, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
:I changed it. It should show how it is done right for that kind of name. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 08:37, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

== Brazilian Portuguese ==

I know somethings in Brazilian Portuguese, but I can't write it because thats in Portugal Portuguese and worse: I can't edit it to add the language. {{User:Goomblob/Sig}} 11:35, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

== Traditional and Simplified Chinese ==

The Traditional Chinese version Mario games is coming out recent years. I want to edit Traditional Chinese name for characters and objects, but I find I must put it with Simplified Chinese. There is a big deal. Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese are using different name and different pronunciation. It should not be put together. So I hope we can create separate entries for it. --[[User:NM4000T4|NM4000T4]] 19:55, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

:People in mainland China and Hong Kong do translation separately. For example, iQue translates Mario as 马力欧 while people in HK translates as 瑪利歐, which are different despite Traditional and Simplified differences. I wonder how many groups of people are doing translation in Chinese-speaking area.  [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 10:22, 31 January 2015 (EST)

== Russian Name ==

Not need a romanized Russian Name? -[[User:Odo2718|Odo2718]] 08:23, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

== Interwiki ==

Someone should add the following to the template:

<nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{{ItA}}} | - | | {{#if: {{{It|}}} | [[it:{{{ItA|{{{It}}}}}}]] }} }}{{#ifeq: {{{GerA}}} | - | | {{#if: {{{Ger|}}} | [[de:{{{GerA|{{{Ger}}}}}}]] }} }}</nowiki>

With this, the template sets the interwiki links to the italien and the german wiki automatically.

The "ItA" and "GerA" is needed, when the name under the "Italien" or "German" section of this template is different from the actual name of the article in the italien or german wiki. For example: The name of the Super Mario World tv series is simply "Super Mario World" so:

|Ger=Super Mario World

But the actual name of the article to this tv series in the german wiki is "Super Mario World (TV-Serie)" so:

|GerA=Super Mario World (TV-Serie)

The template shows "Super Mario World" but sets a interwiki link to the actual article "Super Mario World (TV-Serie)"

Sincerly, [[User:DarkLuigi|DarkLuigi]] ([[User talk:DarkLuigi|talk]]) 06:10, 9 October 2012 (EDT)

== British and American English ==

What is about both English variants. For MKWII I know definitely, that some names different, e.g. Sneakster and Nitrocycle. Compare the U and E files of http://szs.wiimm.de/download/bmg/

Another question: What means "NOE"?

[[User:Wiimm|Wiimm]] ([[User talk:Wiimm|talk]]) 15:59, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
:"Nintendo of Europe", I guess. [[File:SPM KoopaTroopa.png|35px]] [[User:MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:18px; color:#302b7a;">MegaKoopa</span>]] [[User talk: MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:10px; color:#496dd1;">Talk</span>]] 14:09, 31 December 2013 (EST)

== Suggested edit. ==

May I suggest to we use &lt;span class="explain"&gt; for romanisations? For example, instead of

ここは　ヨッシー<br>
''Koko wa Yosshī Airando''

we have instead

<span class="explain" title="Koko wa Yosshī Airando">ここは　ヨッシー</span>?

{{User:Takharii/sig}} 06:07, 27 October 2013 (EDT)

:I'm sorry but I think we'd better not. Kana don't look familiar to American or European readers, but almost everyone knows Latin alphabet. So I think we might as well lay the romanization on the page to indicate how to read the Japanese. I suggest using <code>&lt;span class="explain"&gt;</code> to spell kanji in terms of kana, such as "<span class="explain" title="ふしぎ">不思議</span> ''fushigi''". [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 21:30, 19 November 2014 (EST)

== Other suggestions ==

I have some suggestions for this:
*Change the "meaning" header to "meaning and/or etymology";
*Make the "meaning" column optional (see [[Earth]] locations for example);
*And make it more original rather than just a simple white table.

{{User:Ultra Koopa/Sig}} 12:14, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

==Use for another Wiki==
Well, I can't edit the template, but I want to copy it for an idea for a template like this on my SMG Fanon Wikia. [[User:Kirby kart|Kirby kart]]

== themushroomkingdom.net ==

There are lots of Japanese names at themushroomkingdom.net that can be imported to this wiki's "Names in other languages" sections. Can we carry out a plan to import them? If there are people interested and want to do the work, we can maintain a progress chart. It would be too boring for one person to do them all. [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 07:07, 4 February 2015 (EST)
:It's probably for the best if any foreign names are added by someone who directly viewed them. Not that TMK isn't considered trustworthy, but it's better if we actually confirm the names before mass-dumping them. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
::Oops, in the past few days I ''was''  mass-dumping them, by far the "Items" section and all below of [http://themushroomkingdom.net/pm_j-e.shtml "Paper Mario: From Japanese to English"], and I can't confirm most of them. (The ones I can confirm, though, are right.) Maybe some Japanese can do it better, and I'd better stop. [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 10:15, 4 February 2015 (EST)
:::Personally, I think it's okay to use secondary sources for names '''as long as we cite them''', in case something ''is'' wrong. Plus, credit where credit is due: we wouldn't want folks mass-dumping ''our'' info without giving us proper credit, after all - that's one step below plagiarism. So I'd say at the very least, go back and cite TMK for all the pages you added Japanese names to. Use this: <code><nowiki><ref>[http://themushroomkingdom.net/pm_j-e.shtml "Paper Mario: From Japanese to English"]. (June 17, 2013). ''The Mushroom Kingdom.'' Retrieved February X, 2015.</ref></nowiki></code> (but substituting the correct date, of course). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 11:51, 4 February 2015 (EST)
::::I'm sorry for the delay (I went to the countryside in Ji'an last month and had no Internet access) but I've now finished adding the credit. Also I'm sorry for causing this trouble. I guess [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Glitz_Pit&diff=1783089&oldid=1773937 this edit] should be deleted too. Are there more problems that need to be fixed? [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 11:32, 24 February 2015 (EST)

== Russian romanization ==

Currently these pages have Russian but lack romanizations. Can someone add them?
{|class=wikitable
!Page
!Russian
!Meaning
|-
|[[Banana]]
|Банан
|Banana
|-
|[[Bob-omb]]
|Боб-омб
|Transliteration of the international name
|-
|[[Boost Mode]]
|Режим Поддержки
|
|-
|[[Bullet Bill]]
|Билл-пуля
|Bill-Bullet
|-
|[[Challenge Mode (New Super Mario Bros. U)]]
|На время, Монетки, Жизни, Особые, Режим Испытания
|
|-
|[[Coin]]
|Монета
|Coin
|-
|[[Coin Battle]]
|Бой с монетками
|
|-
|[[Dice Block]]
|Кубик
|Dice Block, Block
|-
|[[Donkey Kong's Crash Course]]
|Опасный маршрут Донки Конга
|Donkey Kong's Dangerous Route
|-
|[[Double Mario]]
|Двойной Марио
|Double Mario
|-
|[[Elite Trio]]
|Элитный отряд
|Elite squad
|-
|[[Fire Flower]]
|Огненный цветок
|Fiery Flower
|-
|[[Flying Squirrel Mario]]
|Марио-Летяга
|Flying Squirrel Mario
|-
|[[Gemstone]]
|Аметист, Изумруд, Рубин, Сапфир, Бриллиант
|Amethyst, Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, Diamond
|-
|[[Golden Mushroom]]
|Золотой гриб ускорения
|Golden Mushroom of Acceleration
|-
|[[Green Shell]]
|Зеленый панцирь
|Green Shell
|-
|[[Lava]]
|Лава
|
|-
|[[Lightning]]
|Молния
|Lighting
|-
|[[London]]
|Лондон
|
|-
|[[Luigi's Ghost Mansion]]
|Луиджи и его дом с призраками
|Luigi and his haunted house
|-
|[[Mario Chase]]
|Поймайте Марио!
|Catch Mario!
|-
|[[Mega Man]]
|Мегамен
|Megamen
|-
|[[Octopus Dance]]
|Танец осьминога
|
|-
|[[Red Coin]]
|Красная Монета
|Red Coin
|-
|[[Red Shell]]
|Красный панцирь
|Red Shell
|-
|[[Rocket Start]]
|Быстрое Начало
|Fast Start
|-
|[[Rope]]
|канат
|
|-
|[[Slick]]
|Слики
|
|-
|[[Spiny]]
|Колючкин
|Spinier
|-
|[[Super Acorn]]
|Супержелудь
|Superacorn
|-
|[[Super Bell]]
|Супер Колокол
|Super Bell
|-
|[[Super Leaf]]
|Суперлист
|Superleaf
|-
|[[Super Star]]
|Супер звезда
|Superstar
|-
|[[Tri-Speeder]]
|Тримобиль
|Number three and automobile (car) = Trimobile
|-
|[[Welcome To Yoshi's Island]]
|Добро Пожаловать на Остров Йоши
|Welcome to the Island of Yoshi's
|-
|[[Yoshi's Fruit Cart]]
|Фруктовая тележка Йоши
|Yoshi's Fruit Cart
|-
|[[Zeekeeper]]
|Сон-птица
|Dream Bird
|}
[[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 09:47, 15 August 2015 (EDT)
:Done. (I was using Google Translate, [[wikipedia:WP:RUS]] and Wiktionary for the romanizations.) {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  00:01, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

== Hungarian support ==

Add '''Hun''' (Hungarian) to the language list. Currently [[Fire Sale]]'s "names in other languages" section has a '''Hun''' row included, which is still not visible. {{User:MeerkatMario/sig}} 13:58, 2 September 2015 (EDT)

== Hebrew support ==

I know the only Mario production to be translated/dubbed into Hebrew is [[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]], but it should still be added anyway. [[User:RaguRando|RaguRando]] ([[User talk:RaguRando|talk]]) 14:18, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:It's been added. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 15:14, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:RaguRando|RaguRando]] ([[User talk:RaguRando|talk]]) 15:58, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

== Compatibility with the mobile skin ==

I was using the mobile skin and found that this template uses the "infobox" class instead of a "wikitable" class. This makes the table aligned due right.  I would like you to change that. And if the style was changed after that, add a "other-languages" class (or id) and configure it with CSS. Thanks. －&thinsp;'''[[User:UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">yhynerson1</font>]] <small>([[User_talk:UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">talk</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</small>''' 19:10, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Please go through this problem as soon as possible. －&thinsp;'''[[User:UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">yhynerson1</font>]] <small>([[User_talk:UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">talk</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</small>''' 09:21, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::Is it serviceable now? - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 12:30, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::I've just checked. It looks perfect. Thanks. －&thinsp;'''[[User:UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">yhynerson1</font>]] <small>([[User_talk:UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">talk</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/UntergangerPlus|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</small>''' 22:38, 14 November 2015 (EST)

== Scandinavia ==

Could someone please add Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish to this template as there already are at least one page using that parameter and I intend to watch the animated shows dubbed in those languages and add their names for stuff. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 19:39, 14 September 2017 (EDT)<br>
EDIT: I realized I said this in the middle of a bulk edit, so I'll ping it now that it's lesser edits and therefore a bigger chance of someone seeing it. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 08:03, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:Wait there's no language called Scandinavic :P I just wanted you to add the Scandinavic languages (Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish) :S --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 09:17, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
::time to smell the coffee --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 09:56, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Happy smellin --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 10:05, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
::::IT SEEMS THAT THE TEMPLATE IS ONLY FOR NAMES THAT APPEAR IN OFFICIAL LOCALIZATIONS, WHICH DON'T EXIST IN THE SCANDINAVIAN LANGUAGES, AS FAR AS I KNOW. {{User:CAPS LOCK LORD/sig}} 05:02, 5 November 2017 (EST)
:::::Please don't use all caps. The template is for all medias including dubs, official websites, and all other medias. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:27, 5 November 2017 (EST)

== Japanese names written in English ==

As you can see from the [[Mario Playing Cards#NAP-05 (Characters Picture Book)|Mario Playing Cards]], in Japanese there are quite a few names written in English which do not exactly correspond to the Romanization of the Japanese name (as an example, ''Koopa'' is not the proper romanization of 「クッパ」, ''Kameck'' is not the proper romanization of 「カメック」, not to talk about the names of the Koopalings, Bullet Bill and Birdo which clearly are English names rather than romanized Japanese names), should we add a ''JapE'' entry for them so we can list them along with the Japanese names written in Katakana or should we just use the ''Jap'' entry?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:22, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

== Czech, Hungarian, and Polish ==

Could someone add these languages please? Princess Peach is given a local name in the Super Mario Odyssey pages; (also, T-Rex)
*[http://www.mojenintendo.cz/switch/index.php?page=supermarioodyssey&utm_source=b2b&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=SMO_microsite cz]
*[http://www.nintendo.hu/switch/index.php?page=supermarioodyssey hu]
*[http://www.nintendo.pl/switch/index.php?page=supermarioodyssey pl]
--[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 09:49, 7 December 2017 (EST)
Please, someone?

:Czech and Polish have been added, although it looks like Hungarian's already there. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:51, 8 December 2017 (EST)
::Thanks! --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 05:22, 9 December 2017 (EST)

== Separating Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese ==

I see that in the template, American and European French and Spanish can be accepted as separate entries by the template if they're different. A lot of S. Chinese names are also different from T. Chinese names, but we have to separate them manually.<br>
Can S and T Chinese be added to the template just like A and E French/Spanish?<br>
ChiS/ChiSR/ChiSM and ChiT/ChiTR/ChiTM should be good for the purpose. [[User:H.N.K.|H.N.K.]] 12:19, 3 January 2019 (GMT+8)
== 5 New Languages ==
Although each one has only been used for one or two things, they still have each been officially used.

Galician: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfmc-yW19ko| Saturday Supercade]

Thai: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWswoOOnJkk| The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]

Slovenian: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mk-Mo4adCk| The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]

Greek: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAj3AFH2gBc| The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]

Arabic: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_igWPjqp0| The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3] and [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SveyrMiUkAQ| Super Mario World (the TV show)]

[[User:Grandet Omate|Grandet Omate]] ([[User talk:Grandet Omate|talk]]) 11:21, August 11, 2020 (EDT)
:Back on this I would also recommend adding Indonesian: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHj5mkZD6qA| SMBSS] and Slovak: [https://www.nintendo.sk/| Nintendo official website] (might be Czech, better to look into before adding). Also I was apparently too blind to notice that Greek is already there, so need to add that. Also with the creation of several of the Galician SS episode related stuff, such as [[Belinda]], it would be good to have that soon. I only speak English and Spanish, but I’m sure someone will be able to use those languages. I also found 2 WP articles for Mario in Belarusian and Ukraine, but I don’t know how true those are.

[[User:Grandet Omate|Grandet Omate]] ([[User talk:Grandet Omate|talk]]) 00:14, October 5, 2020 (EDT)

== Literal translation ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|1-0-1-12|Stop using "literal translation" entirely}}
As there isn't an official rule/guideline about whether or not to use "literal translation" (or a variation thereof) (and if so, how to use it), I suggest that we make one.

'''Proposer:''' {{user|RickTommy}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 24, 2020, 23:59 GMT

===Use "literal translation" to refer to the English name===
#{{User|RickTommy}} Well, this is an English wiki, and a casual reader would logically assume that it's referring to the English name. And yes, I '''know''' that the vast majority of Mario games were originally in Japanese, and that localisers use the Japanese version instead of the English version as the base ([[Treehouse#Translations|although that wasn't always the case]] (no rhyme intended)). But localisers seem to at least have ''some'' inspiration from the English version. Or is it just coincidence that some localised names just ''happen'' to be translations of the English name?

===Use "literal translation" to refer to the Japanese name (or the English name if that's the original)===

===Instead of "literal translation", use some other non-repeating wording===
#{{User|RickTommy}} Second preferred option. Yes, I fully admit that "literal translation" is vague wording, and should instead be clearer - something along the lines of "translation of the English/Japanese name".

===Don't use "literal translation" at all===
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} I always found it vague and confusing, and I think the logic also applies to the readers. We shouldn't be lazy for the sake of being lazy.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I'd just do away with this entirely. I never really liked it and the first option is actively misleading, and the second option isn't always obvious.
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} We normally don't allow these kind of translations anyway.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per Toadette. The fact that so many editors have been confused over its usage for so long to the point that this proposal had to be made is probably a good indication we should do away with it altogether.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per all.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Yep, per all. Just write out the meaning as the header says.
#{{User|DarkNight}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} My preferred option. It's not always obvious with some games whether English or Japanese is the original language the games were developed in.
#{{User|HappyToad}} See my comment below
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Benjaminkirsc}} That is very confusing. Also per all.

===Comments===
I'd never really thought about it, but now that it's been brought up, I've suddenly realised how vague the term is (to be perfectly honest, I thought it meant something completely different to what everyone else here does), so I think that unless we can ''properly'' clarify the meaning and potentially make large-scale changes to the affected pages, the simplest thing to do is just take the term out of circulation entirely. Also, as Archivist Toadette said, the use of these literal translations borders on laziness anyway. {{User:HappyToad/sig}} 04:26, November 15, 2020 (EST)

== All Languages needed==

I made this a new section since it doesn’t really fit under "5 languages" anymore. Here is a list of all missing languages:

*Arabic: TAOSMB3 and SMW TV show (needs romanization section)
*Galician: Saturday Supercade (needed for [[Belinda]])
*Greek: TAOSMB3 (needs romanization section)
*Malay: SMBSS
*Slovak: LEGO Mario app
*Slovene: TAOSMB3
*Thai: TAOSMB3 (needs romanization section)
*Turkish: LEGO Mario app
*Ukrainian: LEGO Mario app (needs romanization section)

Please don’t ignore me like everyone always does.

[[User:Grandet Omate|Grandet Omate]] ([[User talk:Grandet Omate|talk]]) 09:42, January 8, 2021 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that's reasonable. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:30, January 8, 2021 (EST)

== All Languages Needed (Revised) ==

I have a list of every official language that needs to be added now:
*Arabic: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPSdnL5FVCE Super Mario] (needs romanization section)	
*Croatian: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9p5R09s_vng Super Mario World]
*Estonian: [https://www.lego.com/et-ee/search?q=Mario Lego.com]
*Greek: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAj3AFH2gBc The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3] and [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oy6NgMNhquA Super Mario World] (needs romanization section)
*Indonesian: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHj5mkZD6qA The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]
*Latvian: [https://www.lego.com/lv-lv/search?q=Mario Lego.com]
*Lithuanian: [https://www.lego.com/lt-lt/search?q=Mario Lego.com]	
*Slovak: [https://www.lego.com/sk-sk/search?q=Mario Lego.com] and [https://www.nintendo.sk/news/objevte-spolecne-zabavny-svet-maria-v-super-mario-3d-world-bowsers-fury-nyni-dostupne-na-nintendo-switch/ Nintendo.com]
*Slovenian: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mk-Mo4adCk The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]
*Thai: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWswoOOnJkk%7C The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3] (needs romanization section)	
*Turkish: LEGO Mario app	
*Ukrainian: LEGO Mario app (needs romanization section)

It didn’t feel right to respond to another user with, so I made it a new section.
[[User:Grandet Omate|Grandet Omate]] ([[User talk:Grandet Omate|talk]]) 14:05, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

== Talked in North or Latin America? ==

I'm a bit upset with a part of this template. You see, the sections for French and Spanish have 2 variants: NOA (North American) and NOE (European): I'm OK with the French language in that respect (obviously, because of Canada's french inside Quebec), but with Spanish I'm not OK. I mean, in The Americas, Spanish is mainly talked in '''South America''' and '''Mexico''' and they form, alongside Brazil and French Guiana, what's called Latin America, and the people who live there are around 600.000.000, as opposed to the 40.000.000 people who live in the USA and speak Spanish alongside English. Then, why did the template's creator chose to call that variation "NOA" Spanish when most people that speak Spanish in The Americas don't live in the US?

--[[User:LEGOGames1000|LEGOGames1000]] ([[User talk:LEGOGames1000|talk]]) 13:00, May 9, 2021 (EDT)
:I believe in this case that NOE and NOA stand for Nintendo of Europe and Nintendo of America respectively. If I'm remembering correctly, as far as I know Nintendo of America handles translations for Latin America and South America as well as North America. So I think the template is referring to the translation by Nintendo of America, not the translation for North America. Someone else can correct me on this if I'm wrong though. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 13:09, May 9, 2021 (EDT)

== Order ==

Instead of alphabetical order, how about an order that makes more sense, such as age/importance, sort of like how [[smashwiki:Template:Langtable|SmashWiki does it]]. My proposed order: Japanese --> French --> German --> Spanish --> Italian --> Dutch --> Chinese --> Korean --> Russian --> Portuguese --> everything else. <!--On a side note, I was used to the original order.--> <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 20:26, June 9, 2021 (EDT)
:I'd personally put Spanish above French, but this seems like a good order. I do wonder why this was changed. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 21:42, June 13, 2021 (EDT)
::It was changed because [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Foreign_names&oldid=3174583 the list] was getting long and for tables with many languages, it wasn't intuitive for a new reader to find the language they're looking for. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 22:49, June 13, 2021 (EDT)

== Official guide on when to list certain translations ==

Hi, I have always been confused on what the rules/preferred way is. For stuff like game titles it seems like we only list translations that are either in a different writing style (JP/CN/KR) and languages where the title is the same (usually FR/ES/DE etc...) arent listed even if the game supports said languages. [[Super Mario Odyssey]] as an example.
Yet other stuff such as enemies have languages where the name of the thing is the same still listed ( [[Goomba]] as an example). Is it literally just video game titles that don't list the "redundant" languages or is it something else? and is this rule mentioned anywhere or did it kind of just happen? - [[User:Zachruff|Zachruff]] ([[User talk:Zachruff|talk]]) 23:56, December 22, 2021 (EST)

== Icelandic, Malay ==

Could someone add Icelandic? This is needed since [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie]] is being translated into these languages. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 08:40, October 13, 2022 (EDT)

== Please add Serbian ==

It is officially now known that ''The Super Mario Bros. Movie'' will be dubbed into Serbian. Could you please add this Serbo-Croatian language variety to the template? The only other Serbo-Croatian standardized variant that's currently represented is Croatian. [[User:Zakawer2|Zakawer2]] ([[User talk:Zakawer2|talk]]) 12:22, November 30, 2022 (EST)

== Add parameters for Serbo-Croatian and Bosnian ==

{{talk}}
I am requesting the addition of a Serbo-Croatian parameter that is separate from the existing Serbian and Croatian ones, to be used in instances where the name of a particular subject is the same across Serbo-Croatian standards. This is currently the case with a few LEGO ''Super Mario'' products: for example, the name of the Banzai Bill set is identical between the official [https://lstore.hr/products/kiaa-metaka-s-banzai-billom-71366 Croatian], [https://svijetkockica.ba/proizvod/kisa-metaka-s-banzai-billom-prosirena-staza/ Bosnian], and [https://lstore.rs/products/kisa-metaka-s-banzai-billom-71366 Serbian] LEGO stores. Serbian and Croatian should still have their own parameters, though, to account for regional differences, akin to the "Spanish (NOA)" and "Spanish (NOE)" parameters. In this respect, a parameter for Bosnian names should also be added, as a few LEGO ''Super Mario'' products listed on the Bosnian LEGO store, such as the [https://svijetkockica.ba/proizvod/super-mario-64-blok-upitnika/ SM64 ? Block], have localised names that differ from their Serbian and Croatian counterparts and should be documented. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:57, January 17, 2023 (EST)

== Adopt the de-facto format for dissecting foreign names ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-3|do not use format}}

'''Proposer''': {{User|Jdtendo}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 5, 2023, 23:59 GMT

There is currently no official format for dissecting foreign names in "Names in other languages" sections. However, there is a de-facto format is used extensively throughout the Super Mario Wiki: surrounding the foreign words with quotation marks (or angle brackets for Japanese and Chinese), and surrounding the English translation with parentheses. Here is an example:

{{foreign names
|Jap=マガツリー
|JapR=Magatsurī
|JapM=Play on「禍津日神」(''Magatsuhi-kami'', god of misfortune) and「ツリー」(''tsurī'', tree)
|FraE=Épouvantarbre
|FraEM=From "épouvante" (terror) and "arbre" (tree)
|Ita=Stregalbero
|ItaM=From "strega" (witch) and "albero" (tree)
|SpaA=Arbólico
|SpaAM=From "árbol" (tree) and "diabólico" (diabolic)
}}

However, some users disagree and will edit a page just for replacing the de-facto format used in a "Names in other languages" section with another format which they consider to be the "right" format, usually by replacing the quotations marks with italics or adding quotation marks around the English translation. Conversely, other users will edit a page just to replace that alternative format with the de-facto format. Basically, every user has their own vision of how name dissecting should be formatted, and this creates unnecessary edits and disputes.

I propose that we officially adopt the de-facto format for dissecting names, i.e., that we add a subsection in the "[[Template:Foreign names#Meaning guidelines|Meaning guidelines]]" section that describes how to dissect names in accordance with the de-facto format. This would provide a clear-cut way to settle format-related disputes, whilst not requiring too many page edits to accomodate the format since it is already widely used.

===Support===
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} [https://knowadays.com/blog/when-to-use-italics-for-non-english-words/ Most major style manuals] (sources in that link), including the wiki's go-to manual MLA, recommend italicizing foreign words, whether always or only or their first use. Official style manuals exist for a purpose: to make writing consistent and help instil some professionality. The format in your proposal doesn't do much in the way of that: why are romanized Japanese words written in italics, but not other foreign words? what makes foreign words, but not their translations, specifically fit to have quotation marks? isn't the purpose of quotation marks to set off words that are mentioned or listed separately from the rest of their clause? Perhaps there are cases where the wiki can deviate ever so slightly from established writing standards to accommodate whatever specific needs it has, especially since style manuals themselves aren't a commandment from the heavens and are subject to change; that doesn't mean it should fully embark in that direction and make rules on the fly, moreso if the only argument for it is "well it's always been that way". Make it make sense.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Per Koopa con Carne
#{{User|YoYo}} Per Koopa con Carne

===Comments===
I understand the desire to minimize unnecessary edits, but what makes the de facto format the ideal choice? The format used by MLA standards doesn't do that, it uses italics around foreign words and quotes around the translations (which I assume is because for translations it's meant to indicate what parts of the sentence are the translation, eg. 'It translates to "the bird"'). Also, just to let you know, those edits with people changing one style to another is mostly a group of IPs, I've seen many users here revert those edits before. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 07:07, November 21, 2023 (EST)
:I'm not sure whether following the MLA standards really matters. Personally, I find the de-facto format easier on the eyes. As for the people making the edits, some of them are registered users. One recent example is the Kero Sewers page, in which [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Kero_Sewers&diff=4050701&oldid=4050689 one registered user replaced the de-facto style with the italicized format], then [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Kero_Sewers&diff=4052314&oldid=4051672 another registered user reverted it to the de-facto format]. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 14:33, November 22, 2023 (EST)

== Can we add some more Jap slots? ==

Some things have many names and the numbered method is a lifesaver. But since there's only three slots, that mitigates its usefulness in many cases. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:56, January 7, 2024 (EST)
:Adding to this - I think Chinese and Korean can benefit from some number slots, too. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:05, January 7, 2024 (EST)

== Bug when mixing "Fre" and "FreA" ==

There is a bug in the template when specifying the "Fre" argument along with "FreA" or "FreE".
For example, in the [[Monty Mole#Names in other languages|Monty Mole]] article, this source code is used:

<pre>
|FreA=La taupe Monty (''[[Super Mario World]]'' manual)
|FreAM=The Monty mole
|Fre=Topi Taupe
|FreM=From ''taupe'' ("mole")
</pre>

It specifies that Monty Moles were originally called "La taupe Monty" in the Canadian French manual of SMW but are now called "Topi Taupe" in all French-speaking regions.
However, the name "La taupe Monty" is inaccurately displayed in both "French" and "French (NOA)" sections.
I think that this is due to the use of <code><nowiki>#forargs</nowiki></code> in the template that allows parameterized argument names such as "Fre2", "Fre3", etc. but it also mistakingly consider "FreA" as a valid parameterized argument name for "Fre".

The template already checks for argument names ending with "M" to exclude them from the parameterized arguments, but it should also exclude argument names starting with "FreA" or "FreE" when checking for parameterized arguments for "Fre".
Or better yet, we could check whether the parameterized keys only contain digits ("Fre'''2'''", "Fre'''3'''"…) and exclude the keys that contain other characters ("Fre'''A'''", "Fre'''M'''"…).
I think that this could be done using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RegexFunctions regex] with something like <code><nowiki>{{#rmatch:{{#var:key}}|^[0-9]*$|yes|no}}</nowiki></code>.

This bug probably affects other argument names that are a prefix of another argument name, such as "Chi" ("ChiS", "ChiT"), "Fre" ("FreA", "FreE"), "Por" ("PorA", "PorE"), "Ser" ("SerCro"), "Spa" ("SpaA", "SpaE").
{{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 03:18, February 14, 2024 (EST)

:Ah, good point. Currently doing the check a different way, but it should be fixed now. Thanks! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 10:18, February 14, 2024 (EST)

::Unfortunately, it does not work for "Fre'''E'''" because <code><nowiki>{{#expr:E}}</nowiki></code> is a valid expression that evaluates to 2.718281828459. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 10:38, February 14, 2024 (EST)
::Maybe checking <code><nowiki>{{#expr:{{#var:key}}0}}</nowiki></code> would work. "E" is a valid expression, but "E0" is not, whereas a number key would still be a number. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 10:48, February 14, 2024 (EST)
:::Yes, I think we're good to go with the 0's! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 11:02, February 14, 2024 (EST)

== Non-in-game ==

Do [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Coin_Block_Blitz&diff=4138110&oldid=4106530 non-in-game names that are identical to the English name] count? <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 19:50, March 19, 2024 (EDT)
:I think that they count, as long as they come from an official source. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 11:59, March 20, 2024 (EDT)