Editing Talk:Madame Broode

==Chain Chompikins is not one of the Broodals==
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It is a pet. These should be spllllllit. Also, one is controllable, while the other is not. It's like how we have separate RPG entities split. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:09, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
:Was kinda hopin' the page would be created after the game released so we had all the information, but welp. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:14, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
::I was actually going to do it based on a YouTube video since we had the name, like with [[Mechawiggler]], but it was instead done by someone who immediately moved it to a location it doesn't belong. We don't list [[Big Chain Chomp]] under [[Iggy Koopa]], after all, and [[Biffidus]] is separate from [[Durmite]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:18, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
:::I was confused when I first saw this game as to why they were merged and why Chain Chompikins is listed as one of the Broodals. No source for that. I support the split, but maybe leave it alone until we have more info, otherwise the articles would be virtually identical.
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
::::Like the ''WarioWare'' characters like [[Ashley and Red]], one currently doesn't have enough information on its own to warrant a separate article for it. I agree it should just stay like this for now so other users don't create a second article with duplicated information, and when there is enough information for one that makes it distinct enough from the other, that's when they can be split. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:25, 24 October 2017 (EDT)
::::Okay, so the game has been released, but it still seems like splitting these would result in duplicate articles. Leave them merged?
::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:20, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

==Chompikins's gender==
Do we have any Proof Chain Chompikins is a boy? It's wearing a pink sunhat... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 08:25, 27 October 2017 (EDT)

== Is she a Broodal? ==

She's already set apart in that she doesn't fly on their airship, but I'm starting to think she's not one the Broodals. She calls them "my darling Broodals" and it seems weird to me that she would refer to them like that if she was one of them. She's clearly associated with them (boss? mom? whatever), but I don't think she ''is'' one of them. Someone wouldn't say "my darling humans".<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:49, 27 October 2017 (EDT)<br>
P.S. I'm pretty sure Chain Chompikins isn't a Broodal either, whether or not Madame Broode is.

Her face is on the front of their airship, and she's the same species regardless. Chain chompkins is a bit of a mixed bag. [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 20:24, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

:The Koopalings ride around on an airship sporting Bowser's mug, but he's not a Koopaling. She's never seen with them and it seems like the Broodals refers to the quartet, not to the species. Again, it seems like Madame Broode is their boss. Plus, she uses a different battle theme than them. ([https://youtu.be/bMYZVEJzChY Broodals] [https://youtu.be/gnsn0FxnBTM Madame Broode] Madame Broode's is a more serious remix of the Broodal theme.)
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:51, 30 October 2017 (EDT)

::According to {{User|Mister Wu}}'s edit summary [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_Odyssey&curid=219989&diff=2327269&oldid=2327268 here], Madame Broode is not a Broodal. As [[Super Mario Odyssey]] has been changed to reflect this, should we change this article as well or reach an official decision?
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 14:15, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:::Ok, sorry for not sourcing, but a video with all the brochures has been found, and in the case of the Dark Side, [https://youtu.be/FqO7leYG8Dk?t=1001 it is written]:''This ostentatious stone tower was carved at the direction of the vegetable-loving Madame Broode, who lords over Rabbit Ridge. Her underlings, the Broodals, live within and always have a warm "welcome" for visitors.'' So, the Broodals are confirmed to be the underlings of Madame Broode. After all, the poster on the [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/aaaca/introduction/index.html Japanese site] as well as the [https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Nintendo-Switch/Super-Mario-Odyssey-1173332.html UK and Irish site] didn't feature Madame Broode along the Broodals.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:09, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Isn’t Madame Broode the mother? [[User:Tyler730|Tyler730]] ([[User talk:Tyler730|talk]]) 15:43, 20 November 2017 (EST)

:That has not been confirmed, it's just speculation. So as far as we're concerned, no, she's not.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 15:45, 20 November 2017 (EST)

::The only "proof" there was was the line "my darling little Broodals" and the mobster-like Topper referring to his compatriots as his "family." If we're going by the first one's logic, she's also the mother of Chain CHompikins given she gives it a similar name. Fortunately, TVTropes quality control has removed that little "confirmed fact" from their site. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:38, 20 November 2017 (EST)

== "My Chain Chompikins" ==

FYI, what Madame Broode calls her "Chain Chompikins" is referred to as "Broode's Chain Chomp" in the Capture List, so methinks that "Chompikins" part is more of an affectionate pet nickname. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:01, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

:Chain Chompikins is more, for want of a better word, descriptive. And it's capitalized so...
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:43, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

Well, she calls the Broodals "My Broodals" and since Broodals isn't a pet name I would beg to differ. [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 12:26, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

Chain Chompikins' Japanese equivalent is ワンワンちゃん ''Wanwan-chan'' so it surely screams "affectionate name". [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 17:21, 6 November 2017 (EST)
:That also means Chain Chompikins is a girl, right? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:34, 6 November 2017 (EST)

::I fail to see how that confirms it's a girl. Does it have anything to do with my complete lack of knowledge of the Japanese language? Is "chan" feminine or something?
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 17:50, 6 November 2017 (EST)
:::"Chan" can be used to denote something feminine or cute, yes, but is also used for pet names. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:53, 6 November 2017 (EST)
::::"Chain Chompikins" is also the only official name we have fot that particular Chain Chomp. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:10, 6 November 2017 (EST)
:::::..."Broode's Chain Chomp". Stated above. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:17, 6 November 2017 (EST)
::::::I do however think that both names should be present in the Names in other languages section. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 05:32, 21 November 2017 (EST)

==Move to '''Madame Broode'''==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|16-0|rename}}
Okay, so there isn't enough information on these two to split them. But I still don't think the article should be named after both of them. Chain Chompikins is little more than a normal [[Big Chain Chomp]], just gold and with a hat, which several enemies in the game have. It's just a weapon Madame Broode uses in battle. I can't think of any other bosses that use a souped-up version of a normal enemy in their battle, but still, Chompikins isn't notable enough to be in the article title. Besides that, according to a discussion above, ''Chain Chompikins'' may just be a pet name, while the real name for it is ''Broode's Chain Chomp''. This would result in the article being called {{fake link|Madame Broode and Broode's Chain Chomp}}, which sounds wrong in so many ways. Therefore, I propose that the article be moved to just [[Madame Broode]] (which is currently a redirect). This goes without saying, but just to be clear, the article would cover the exact same information despite the Chomp not being in the title.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Ultimate Mr. L}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 13, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per me.
#{{User|Raltseye}} per all.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per [[Durmite|Straw]]. How will we go about the [[Chain Chomp]] category here though?
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per proposal.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Lcrossmk8}} Per the Black Lightning, and per the proposal. I don't know why these two were merged into one page to begin with.
#{{User|YoshiStar28}} Sounds like a good idea to me and after all, I love this one so, let's move it. Per all.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Looks like someone checked the in-game capture list for once!
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{User|Astro-Lanceur}}per all
#{{User|Moldomre}}I agree.
#{{User|Goomba nr.34}} per all of the above
#{{User|Mister Wu}} Considering the other name that should be used otherwise, it's probably the best thing to do.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
'''@Doc von Schmeltwick''' I'd just leave it there, since the article still covers the Chomp. But I could be wrong.
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{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 15:15, 29 November 2017 (EST)
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P.S. Thanks for mentioned Straw. I knew there was some example of a boss weapon being merged, but I couldn't think of anything.

'''@Lcrossmk8''' The proposal isn't to split the two, it's just to move the page. They're merged because there isn't enough information on them individually for them to have separate articles; the two articles would basically cover the same information.<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:34, 30 November 2017 (EST)

I support this, but I also think Chain Chompikins (Or Broode's Chain Chomp, or whatever.) should have its own page. Just sayin'.
[[User:Moldomre|Moldomre]] ([[User talk:Moldomre|talk]]) 15:57, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Move Broode's Chain Chomp to Big Chain Chomp ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|1-8-4|Split off into dedicated article}}
This is more of a conceptual thing with me. I agree that it is unnecessary for Broode's Chain Chomp to support a page of its own, and it certainly should be discussed in this article because it is an essential component to the boss fight with Madame Broode. However, unlike something like [[Knucklotec|Knucklotec's Fists]], Chain Chompikins is not a literal extension of Madame Broode. It is a separate "being" and of a species that already has its own article, [[Big Chain Chomp]]s. I think this is why Broode's Chain Chomp sees independent listing in ''[[The Art of Super Mario Odyssey]]'' (p. 365, on the index), the original [https://shop.r10s.jp/book/cabinet/5609/9784048935609_2.jpg Shogakukan ''Mario Odyssey'' guidebook], and [https://archive.is/hDULy Mario Portal], rather than just the in-game [[Capture|capture list]]. That is categorization not allocated to Knucklotec's Fist. It is also a bit unintuitive and weird to click on its name and be redirected here, since it is not a giant rabbit monster. I think it is more accurate to treat it the same way we treat the [[Cheep Cheep#Super Mario Odyssey|Snow Cheep Cheep]] and other colored variants by discussing it on its parent species' page.

I offer two options.

#'''Support: move information specific to Broode's Chain Chomp to [[Big Chain Chomp]]'''
#'''Support: split off information into a dedicated Broode's Chain Chomp article'''
#'''Oppose: nah, it's fine here'''

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nintendo101}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 15th, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support: move to Big Chain Chomp===
#{{User|Nintendo101}} ''Bark bark!''
<s>#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal</s>

===Support: split off into  into a dedicated Broode's Chain Chomp article===
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Secondary option, per DrippingYellow.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per DrippingYellow, and per the four sources mentioned in the proposal that separate it.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per all. Giving this ''character'' their own article makes sense to me given their unique design and role.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Primary choice, per DrippingYellow.
#{{User|Tails777}} If there's sources backing up that it's its own thing, I see no reason why it shouldn't have it's own article.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} I've always found it weird that her pet was merged with her page. The Chain Chomp is part of her boss fight, but it's not the same thing as Madame Broode.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Per Scrooge200.

===Oppose: nah, it's fine===
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Ehhh. Broode's Chain Chomp has enough unique defining traits (owned by Madame Broode, covered in gold, wears hats) where it would be ''more'' confusing to be redirected to generic Chain Chomps, rather than the only character it has ever made an appearance with. If you're going to split off Chain Chompikins because it's confusing to have it be merged to Madame Broode, then you might as well just give it it's own article, considering its multiple differences compared to normal Chain Chomps. It's not so much a colored variant as it is a notable member.
#{{User|SmokedChili}} Per DrippingYellow.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Secondary choice, per DrippingYellow.
#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Second choice

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