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| :::Uh, ja? Did you make this proposal without knowing how it works? o_o [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:29, August 29, 2019 (EDT) | | :::Uh, ja? Did you make this proposal without knowing how it works? o_o [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:29, August 29, 2019 (EDT) |
| ::::I did know about it, but i didn't know that it wouldn't not wake up until seeing a video. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:53, August 29, 2019 (EDT) | | ::::I did know about it, but i didn't know that it wouldn't not wake up until seeing a video. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:53, August 29, 2019 (EDT) |
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| == Boss ==
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| So considering other bosses in the franchise have spent their entire battles asleep or otherwise unable to directly attack, "get through a challenging gauntlet and defeat the helpless boss by doing something trivial" is an actual boss type, and it is given the "king" name, singular focus in a level, and the goal is met when it is defeated, should we consider this too to be a boss? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:19, September 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Under "'''Bothersome Big Bosses'''" on page 21 of the Prima guide: Piranha Plant in Generator, Petey the Piranha Plant, Gooper Blooper, Wiggler, El Piantissimo, Sand Bird, Mecha Bowser, Monty Mole, Great Sunflower, Huge Red Electrokoopa, Manta, King Boo, Eely-Mouth, Coin Fish, Shadow Mario, Bowser Jr., Bowser. It also says that "''Some are nasty, a few are friendly, but all are large and imposing!''" which is probably why the sunflower is listed. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:04, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::Wow, I'd say the Snoozas, Chomplets, and Chomp are better candidates than some of those (following the Piranha Flower train of thought). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:21, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::Bosses usually have their own cinematic and a special music that plays and special animations and whatnot when you defeat them. This is definitely more of an "elite" Electro-Koopa but I don't think it qualifies IMO as a boss, but whatever they say, I'll roll with it. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:09, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::I wouldn't put much stock in that list if it considers a platform, a set of coins, and a friendly NPC "bosses". --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:46, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::Given that Prima's list of "bosses" is a total joke (the Great Sunflower, ''really''?), I'm gonna say EKK is ''not'' a boss. "King" does not necessarily mean boss (see: [[Lakitu King]] and [[King Coin Coffer]]), and all it does is sleep. At least the [[Big Bully]], which is barely a boss itself, actually fights back. You can't even compare EKK to [[Beef Cloud]], since the gimmick of that fight is that he heals himself in real time while asleep and you have to counter that. No thought goes into "fighting" EKK, it's all about ''reaching'' him. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 17:54, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::My vote goes to considering this a "notable enemy" rather than a boss, quite like with [[Squiddicus]]. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 18:33, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::OK well since this convo decided to only move on while I was at work, I want to point out that the music and cinematic situation is the same as Monty Mole's. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:51, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::I'd be fine reconsidering Monty Mole's boss status too, honestly. (Although it does take three hits to defeat, not sure if that matters at all.) Although before we go any farther, are there any other sources that specifically label bosses besides the Prima guide? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:22, October 1, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::I suppose Montinger Z could be considered the same manner of "strong target enemy" as [[Astro-Lanceur]] and [[Yoofoe]], though that also calls into question half of what we have listed as bosses for ''Super Mario 64'', which ''do'' have official basis, and will egg me into bringing up [[Clerk]], [[Manager]], and [[Director]]'s treatment in-game as one-time generic enemies again. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:53, October 1, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::Just wanna point out Astro-Lanceurs are not "target enemies"; they're just treated like normal enemies. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 11:16, October 2, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::Rusty memory; fine, extravagant multi-hit enemies. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:50, October 2, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::Astro-Launcer still isn't that; one ground pound and it's defeated, releasing a few coins. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:21, October 2, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Curse my rotten memory...Yoofoe still stands, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:23, October 2, 2022 (EDT)
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