User talk:Mister Wu/30th Anniversary Books Related Questions
Since you are now done with the Koopaling bios from the Encyclopedia, you could probably check a couple of more things related to enemies:
1.) How are Boss Bass and Big Bertha from SMB3 descriped? Do they have their own bios or not?
2.) Are post-SMB3 Rocky Wrenches said to be moles? You can also use the Memorial Book to check this.
3.) What is said about the blue fake Bowser from SMB:LL?
If more comes to my mind, I'll post here.
PS. Not to be rude, but I don't know why you always write something in the summary. It's kinda excessive especially for talk pages imo. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 10:03, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
- I'll try to answer all points:
- 1)Boss Bass and Big Bertha in the Super Mario Bros. 3 enemies page are actually the same enemy, here is the description:
- 巨大プクプク
- 水面を移動し、ジャンプして襲いかかってくる。水中にいることもある。
- So, actually, they are considered the same enemy, the interesting thing is that they are distinct from Boss Bass that appears in Super Mario 64 and subsequent games, who is called 「バサバサ」 instead. In the Memorial Book only the latter is present, and is confirmed not to be featured in Super Mario Bros. 3.
- 2)Rocky Wrenches
- Unfortunately, these enemies aren't featured in the Memorial Book Characters' pages. Here are the descriptions from the games other than Super Mario Bros. 3 as reported in the Encyclopedia, where thaey are known as 「プー」 (and are distinguished from the Rocky Wrenches of Super Mario Galaxy that are called 「モグ」, so we finally have an official source for the different name!):
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- 飛行船の船体から顔を出し、スパナを投げて攻撃してくる。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- 穴から顔を出し、スパナやボムへいなどを投げてくる。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- 飛行船に登場。船体から顔を出し、スパナを投げてくる。
- So nothing particularly substantial, your question lies unanswered, unfortunately.
- 3)Blue Bowser
- This is actually a very interesting case that actually will likely make me rewrite the evolution of the appearance of Bowser. Before starting, let's see how the fake Bowser is described.
- In both Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels enemies' sections he is known as 「にせ クッパ」, and here are his descriptions:
- SUPER MARIO BROS.
- 城コースで待ち受けるボス。W1~5は炎を、W6~7はハンマーを投げる。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- 炎やハンマーで攻撃してくる。倒すと正体がわかる。
- Interestingly, the fake Bowser of Super Mario 3D Land has a different name,「しっぽ クッパ」. Here is his description:
- 炎を吐き、しっぽを回して攻撃してくる。倒すと正体がわかる。
- However, when we see the description of Blue Bowser, things are different. His name is 「クッパ(青)」, so it's not implied that he's a fake Bowser, his description is also peculiar:
- 青い体のクッパ。3か所に出現し、炎やハンマーで攻撃してくる。
- So, it's not said that he's a fake Bowser. This might be an intriguing element for a discussion about the depiction of Bowser, since we actually have an artwork of a Blue Bowser:
- Please note that the yellow hair, black eyebrows and red eyes come from the Super Mario Bros. cover art.
- Regarding using the summary, I do it to briefly describe what I have done so that it's easier to correct mistakes, but also to point out an important concept in an answer.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:18, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
So Boss Bass and Big Bertha are like prototypical Cheep Chomps and Blue Bowser is played up as a mystery. Alright, next question.
4.) Are Dino Piranha and Gobblegut separated from their fire counterparts in the book or under the same enemy slot? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 07:40, 17 April 2016 (EDT)
- 4)Dino Piranha
- The Encyclopedia clearly consider them separate characters, and the Super Mario Galaxy 2 enemies' section even has three of them:
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- ディノパックン
- マリオを見つけると、大きな口を開けて襲いかかってくる。しっぽが弱点。
- ディノパックン(黒)
- 炎をまとったディノパックン。体に触れるとダメージ。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- ディノパックン
- マリオを見つけると追いかけてくる。しっぽが弱点。
- ディノパックン(黒)
- 炎の体のディノパックン。火の玉を吐いてくる。
- ディノパックンJr.
- マリオを追いかけてくる。タマゴの殻に包まれたおしりが弱点。
- The Super Mario Memorial Book only describe Dino Piranha but also mentions the two other versions:
- ディノパックン
- 恐ろしく巨大なパックンフラワー。幼体のディノパックンJr.や体に炎をまとった仲間も登場する。
- Regarding Gobblegut, he's only mentioned in the Encyclopedia, again distinguished between normal and "dark" version:
- ガブリュウ
- 大きな口で攻撃してくる。長い体の赤い部分が弱点。
- ガブリユウ(黒)
- 炎の体を持ち、火の玉を降らしてくるガブリユウ。長い体の赤い部分が弱点。
- --Mister Wu (talk) 11:24, 17 April 2016 (EDT)
Dino Pakkun Jr. I recognise as Peewee Piranha. As for the others, the only identifiers seem to come from the kanji in parantheses. I remember Koopa Troopas getting similar treatment in the book.
5.) What about Toads? I'm the guy who doesn't easily believe that characters who can be portrayed as species would have their own unique individual in the form of a generic character, seeing how much they have interchangability imo, but I've seen some pages that seem to point to the contradictory. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:35, 27 April 2016 (EDT)
- Regarding Toad and Toads there are many interesting parts in both books, it will take me some time to gather all the relevant parts and I will be busy this week-end, so you'll see no earlier than the next week, probably even later than that, unfortunately.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:11, 27 April 2016 (EDT)
- 5)I was finally able to transcribe the descriptions of the Encyclopedia. Since you were interested in the matter, I included Yellow Toad, Blue Toad and Captain Toad.
- BIOS
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫に仕えるキノコ王国の住人。なにかと冒険の手助けをしてくれる。
- きいろキノピオ
- 黄色い頭とベストを着用した、キノピオの仲間。
- あおキノピオ
- キノピオの仲間。きいろキノピオやマリオたちと冒険に出ることもある。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫に仕えている。7体いて、各ワールドで人質になっている。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫に仕えており、人質になっている。
- SUPER MARIO BROS. 3
- キノピオ
- 各国の王様に仕えている。キノピオの家で、便利なアイテムもくれる。
- SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- キノピオ
- 持ち上げる力が強く、ダッシュも速い。ただし、ジャンプ力は低い。
- SUPER MARIO 64
- キノピオ
- キノコ城の住人。壁の中に閉じこめられている。
- SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫の付き人。5色のキノピオが、ドルピック島のあちこちにいる。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- キノピオ
- キノコ城が襲われた際、あわてふためいていた。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- キノピオ
- キノコ王国の住人。星くず祭を開催していた。
- キノピオ探検隊
- 5人のキノピオで結成された、ピーチ姫捜索隊。赤いキノピオが隊長。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- キノピオ
- 「キノピオの家」におり、冒険に役立つアイテムをくれる。コース中に囚われていることもある。
- あおキノピオ
- マルチプレイ時に登場。能力はマリオたちと同じ。
- きいろキノピオ
- マルチプレイ時に登場する色違いのキノピオ。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- キノピオ
- ピーチ城に仕えるキノコ王国の住人。
- キノピオ探検隊
- キノピオ隊長率いる5人のキノピオから結成された、ピーチ姫捜索隊。星船マリオでは、あずかり屋や郵便屋を担当。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- キノピオ
- キノピオの家やコース上にいて、アイテムをくれる。
- タヌキキノピオ
- スペシャルワールドにいる、タヌキの姿をしたキノピオ。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.2
- キノピオ
- 「キノピオの家」でパワーアップアイテムをくれたり、マリオの残り数を増やしてくれたりする。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- キノピオ
- 冒険中、役立つアイテムをくれる。
- きいろキノピオ
- マルチプレイで登場。能力はマリオたちと同じ。
- あおキノピオ
- マルチプレイで登場。色違いのキノピオ。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- キノピオ
- ダッシュのスピードは速いが、ジャンプが苦手。
- キノピオ
- キノピオの家にいて、アイテムをくれる。ワールドによって色が違う。
- キノピオ隊長
- 特定のコースで使用できる。重いリユックを背負っているため、ジャンプができない。通常コースにも登場し、助けてあげるとグリーンスターをもらえる。
- So, it is confirmed that the Toad of Super Mario 3D World is not the Blue Toad, but just Toad, with the blue color being a reference to the NES version of Super Mario Bros. 2. Captain Toad is also confirmed to not be just Toad, but a separate character (although it is introduced just as a red Toad). Generally, there is not a clear distinction between the character Toad and the Toad species, and even in Super Mario 3D World they share the same name with the being the distinguishing factor and a particular reference to the Toad character is missing. The Encyclopedia also has a page dedicated to the games starring other characters of the Super Mario Bros. series. This is the section regarding Toad and Captain Toad:
- キノピオ&キノピオ隊長
- キノピオが初めて主役となったのは、1994年にファミリーコンピュータ用に発売された『ワリオの森』でのこと。妖精たちのすむ森をワリむ森をワリオの魔の手から救うためにモンスターと戦うという、パズルアクションゲームだ。『スーパーマリオUSA』で培つたカ持ちという設定を活かし、敵や爆弾を投げて消していく。
- また、『スーパーマリオギャラクシー』で初登場のキノピオ隊長も、2014年にWiiUで発売された『進め!キノピオ隊長』では主役を務めた。『進め!キノピオ隊長』は、箱庭型のコースでグリーンスターを探すアドベンチャーゲームで、キノピコとともに冒険を繰り広げる。『スーパーマリオ3Dワールド』とかかわりの深いストーリーとなっており、一部には同じパワーアップアイテムや敵キャラクターも登場している。
- It is again evident that Captain Toad is the same one of Super Mario Galaxy, while I cannot understand if the Toad of Wario's Woods is the same as that of Super Mario Bros. 2 (though the wording seems to refer to other elements instead).
- Finally, these are the descriptions in the Super Mario Memorial Book:
- キノピオ
- キノコ王国の住人たち。ピーチをさらわれてマリオに助けを求めるのがお約束のシリーズを代表するキャラで、赤色や黄色などカラーはさまざま。また、キノじいやキノピオ隊長など固有の名前をもつものもいる。
- 登場作品
- SM, SM2, SM3, USA, SM64, SMS, NSM, SMG, NSMW, SMG2, 3DL, NSM2, NSMU, 3DW
- キノピオ隊長
- キノピオ探検隊の隊長。2014年に発売された『進め!キノピオ隊長』では主演を務めた。
- 登場作品
- SMG, SMG2, 3DW
- At this point, it is clear that Captain Toad is the one seen in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 and is a distinguished character to the point of being compared to Toadsworth. On the other hand, there still is no evidence for the existence of a Toad character, which is odd.--Mister Wu (talk) 11:28, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
- Sweet zombie Jesus, you're doooone~. Props for the effort you made~.
- Anyways, I was kinda expecting they weren't going to specify clearly if there is indeed a particular generic Toad who is portrayed as the representative character of his species. As I said, I don't easily believe in this concept, and these bios affirm my beliefs on this regarding Toad. In fact, I heavily question Kamek being a separate character from Magikoopas on the basis of wonky Yoshi's Island translation work and bios that mention SMW as his first game even though many say that was only the Magikoopa species and that Kamek "the character" appeared later in Yoshi's Island. And that's pretty much what my "no specific generic species members" belief is based on.
- Also, where is it said that Toad's blue color in SM3DW is a reference to SMB2, I must have missed that. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 12:54, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
- It's not said in the Encyclopedia, of course, it was just my consideration since the name is 「キノピオ」 instead of 「あおキノピオ」 explicitly used for the Blue Toad both in the characters pages and in the NSMBW and NSMBU characters bios. As far as I know, the game where we saw a playable Blue Toad that was named Toad is the NES version of SMB2, and actually all the four main characters and their abilities are taken from that game--Mister Wu (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
- There is now also this site that might be relevant for the investigation of whether there is a Toad character. By the looks of it, they are still referring to the species, but maybe I'm wrong.--Mister Wu (talk) 10:22, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
- It's not said in the Encyclopedia, of course, it was just my consideration since the name is 「キノピオ」 instead of 「あおキノピオ」 explicitly used for the Blue Toad both in the characters pages and in the NSMBW and NSMBU characters bios. As far as I know, the game where we saw a playable Blue Toad that was named Toad is the NES version of SMB2, and actually all the four main characters and their abilities are taken from that game--Mister Wu (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
I don't know how complete you are with the Toad question, but I've got more.
6.) This is specifically about the Memorial Book. Does it have a dedicated section about items as it does about characters? If it does, what does it say about Green Stars?
7.) Is Ice Piranha's (from NSMBU) name アイスパックン Ice Pakkun? Because if it is, then that means it's the same as Frost Piranha Japanese name wise.
SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:13, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
- Unfortunately Toad is taking more time than I wanted, I can answer the remaining questions as there's much less to say about them.
- 6)No, it doesn't, but the Encyclopedia has a section related to the items in each game, including the green stars:
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- グリーンスター
- 試練の扉を開くのに必要な、緑色のパワースター。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- グリーンスター
- パワースターを120個集めると出現する特別なスター。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- グリーンスター
- コース内にいくつか隠されている。条件を満たすと出現することも。
- The name is therefore the same, but the power stars (「パワースター」) are mentioned only in the two Super Mario Galaxy games. As an interesting point of comparison, the Red Power Star in Super Mario Galaxy is referred to as 「レッドパワースター」.
- 7)As, expected, it is present only in the Encyclopedia, in which the name is exactly the same as those of the Paper Mario series:
- アイスパックン
- 土管から顔を出し、アイスボールを吐いて攻撃してくる。--Mister Wu (talk) 09:20, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
Then as a immediate follow-up to the sixth question:
8.) Is the Red Star power-up in that case 「レッドスター」? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 11:18, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
- 8)It is. Here are the descriptions of both the red star and the red power star:
- レッドスター
- 一定時間フライングマリオにパワーアップできる。
- レッドパワースター
- 天の扉でしか入手できない赤いパワースター。
- The absence of a green star power-up might be a reason why the name doesn't specify if we're talking about green stars or green power stars.--Mister Wu (talk) 15:05, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
New set of questions:
9.) What's the form obtained from Red Star called?
10.) In SMG and SMG2, there are two types of Goombas, the standard one and the smaller, weaker kind. What's the name of that Goomba?
11.) Does the book make any type of reference to Toad Town from Paper Mario? Look for SMG and SMG2, those are the games with towns near Peach's Castle.
12.) What exactly are Goomba Towers called?
--SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 03:42, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
- 9)The form is called 「フライングマリオ」 so nothing particular, but still appropriate.
- 10)The samller, weaker Goombas are known as 「マメクリボー」, so they are essentially Micro Goombas also in the Encyclopedia.
- 11)This one is tricky. The place is hardly referenced at all. For example, let's look at the section dedicated to the first Super Mario Galaxy in the Encyclopedia. In the story, we have the following:
- ピーチ姫からの招待状をにぎりしめ、マリオがお城に到着するとそこは、きらびやかに輝く星くず祭の真っ最中でした。楽しげに踊るキノピオたちに迎えられ、
- 幸せなひとときを感じるマリオでしたが......
- And in the Memorial Book we don't have much more information:
- 会場に到着すると、突如現れたクッパによってピーチ姫はさらわれ、祭りは大混乱彼女を助けるためマリオは広大な冒険へ旅立つ。
- Of course, we also have the description of each galaxy along with the stars that can be collected there, but even those don't say much:
- グランドフィーレギャラクシー
- ピーチ城周辺に広がる、星くず祭の会場。キノビオたちが迎えてくれる。
- ようこそ!星くず祭へ
- 平和が戻ったピーチ城の庭に散らばる、パープルコイソを集める。
- The AND MORE section also has a small paragraph, but little is said about the place:
- 完全クリアで
- グランド
- フィナーレ！
- ルイージでパワースターを120個集めると、「グランドフィナーレギャラクシー」が出現。星くず祭が開催される中、パープルコインを集める最後シナリオだ。これをマリオとルイージでクリアすると、パワースターが全242個となって完全クリアとなる。
- Finally, the story of Super Mario Galaxy 2, only present in the Encyclopedia, does not tell us more:
- すっかり懐いた 迷子の星の子 ベビィチコをつれ お城へ たどり着いたマリオですが そこで、待っていたものは…
- It is referenced as the venue where the Star Festival is held, more or less.
- 12)They are called 「タワークリボー」, so a simple and self-explanatory name also in the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
Here's one based on a dispute "on hold".
13.) SMG, SMG2 and SM3DW have blue Lava Bubbles; how does the Encyclopedia describe those? Are they listed in one slot or are they separate from red Lava Bubbles? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 11:50, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
- 13)Actually, only the Super Mario Galaxy 2 enemies section separates them, in the other two games you mentioned the blue ones are still considered Lava Bubbles.
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- バブル
- 溶岩から飛び出し、跳ねながら追いかけてくる。時間がたつと消える。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- バブル
- 一定の間隔で溶岩から飛び出す火の玉。
- バブル(青)
- 溶岩から飛び出し、跳ねながら追いかけてくる。しばらくすると消える。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- バブル
- 一定の間隔で溶岩から飛び出す。青色のタイプもいる。
- The Super Mario 3D world enemies section actually explicitly says that some lava bubbles are blue, while still grouping them together. The Super Mario Memorial Book group them together as well:
- バブル
- 『スーパーマリオブラザーズ』に登場した火の玉のようなキャラクター。ファイアスネークは仲間。
- Curiously enough, there is no mention of the blue ones, while a connection to the Fire Snakes is made instead.
So, more of the case where a color is mentioned in parantheses to distinguish different types of a enemy. I think I get the logic behind this now: the book establishes that they are same enemy, but separates them under some circumstances, such as if there are two or more varieties that differ in appearance, functions behaviour, form etc. with color serving as the identifier from the base enemy if needed. It seems to vary from enemy to enemy, since the Lava Bubbles are separated by behaviour and appearance only in SMG2, while Dino Piranha and Gobblegut both have alternative fire forms ("Black" in the book).
Anyway, next question:
14.) Is the SMB3 Missile Bill's Japanese name 「Uターンキラー」 as this wiki currently states? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 03:55, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
- 14)Looks like you have found another odd case here, as the Missile Bills are referenced among the Bullet Bills instead of having their own slot:
- キラー
- キラー砲台から発射され、まっすぐに飛んでくる。Uターンするタイプもいる。
- This means, of course, that they don't really have a name there, but the U-turn is indeed mentioned.
Actually, now that I've taken a closer look, it was in fact me who added that name. Must have been before I started looking for sources like official guides to confirm this stuff, so I may have to remove that name. That aside, here's a new one:
15. Are the two Dragoneel colors separate as well in the Encyclopedia? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 13:52, 25 June 2016 (EDT)
- 15)THe two Dragoneel colors aren't separate:
- タツノン
- 長い胴体を持ち、マリオに向かって泳いでくる。
- This time the two colors aren't even mentioned in the description, but I couldn't find another box for the other color.
Couple o'more questions:
16.) What are the ! Switches called in each game, if the book even has them listed?
17.) What about the ! Blocks, for which this wiki has listed "Surprise Block" as a Japanese name?
--SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:17, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
- 16)The ! Switches are listed in the Encyclopedia, and they have pretty consistent names:
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- ビックリスイッチ
- SUPER MARIO 64
- ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- ビックリスイッチ
- 巨大ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- ビックリスイッチ
- 巨大ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- ビックリスイッチ
- So, pretty much always surprise switches, in some cases huge.
- 17)The ! blocks have changed role in the various games and, accordingly, their name changed as well:
- SUPER MARIO BROS. 3
- 不思議リフト
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- ビックリブロック
- SUPER MARIO 64
- 透明ブロック
- 緑のブロック
- 青いブロック
- 赤いブロック
- 黄色いブロック
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- おてほんブロック
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- ビックリブロック
- ワープボックス
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- おてほんブロック
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- スイッチブロック
- ワープボックス
- So, Surprise Block is effectively among the names; interestingly, this name was reused in Super Mario 3D Land as well, while in Super Mario 3D World Switch Block was used instead.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:49, 10 July 2016 (EDT)
18.) I just remembered where the ! Blocks were in 3D World and that they act like ON/OFF Switch from SMW. What are those named in the book? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 05:57, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
- 18)Those blocks are known as 「スイッチブロック」, so Switch Blocks.--Mister Wu (talk) 08:26, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
19.) This is the question I've been forgetting to ask, but does Big Boo from SMW have two slots for both the common enemy and the boss of Donut Secret House? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 11:00, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
- I'm sorry but Im on vacation now, I will be able to reply at the end of next week. Mister Wu (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
- 19)They are under the same slot, with a mention that Big Boo can be a boss:
- アトミックテレサ
- 大きなテレサ。ボスとして現れたときは、ブルブルブロックで攻撃可能。
- 19)They are under the same slot, with a mention that Big Boo can be a boss:
Hello. First of all, thank you so much for putting up information about the 30th anniversary encyclopedia online - it is painfully difficult to find. Secondly, I have some questions about the encyclopedia's contents too, that would help clear up some things on the wiki.
1) What does it say about Super Mario Bros.' story, and more particularly how Toads got turned into bricks and plants? This bit of story seems to have been dropped with Super Mario Bros. 3 yet keeps being referenced.
2) What does it say about The Lost Levels' story? The FDS version's manual states it is a "parallel world" to SMB1, with the same story otherwise, does the encyclopedia keep this?
3) What does it say about Galaxy 2's story? The English localization plays it off as a retelling of Galaxy 1's, while the Japanese version would seem to make references here and there that would make it a direct sequel to Galaxy 1, and some other localizations (such as French) are neutral.
4) I know Yoshi's Island is not covered, but is there anything that is said about "Yoster Island" and "Yoshi Island" being separate places? The international localization would translate them both as Yoshi's Island while they appear to be distinct in Japan. Similarly, is anything said about Kamek the character and Kamek the species being distinct?
5) Is anything said about Dry Bowser's character? It is still unclear whether he is his own distinct character or still just another form of Bowser.
Koopalmier (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
- I'm not Mister Wu himself, but I can confirm this about Kamek: Judging by the scan of the characters page from Super Mario 30th anniversary memorial book which is also used to confirm stuff here, Kamek's appearances are listed as SMW, SMG, NSMBW, SMG2, 3DL, NSMBU and 3DW. There's no separate box for "the" Kamek, which means no individual distinction at all. SMW listed there also matches with the Kamek trophy from SSB Wii U. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 09:41, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Sorry for being late, before answering questions 1-3 I have to say that the stories in the Encyclopedia are pretty much the same of the manuals (with a special exception for Super Mario Bros. 3, likely introduced as an attempt at stating that the Koopalings were never directly stated to be Bowser's children, which is false, by the way). So, there they are:
- 1)SUPER MARIO BROS.
- ものがたり
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま龍しています。
- キノコ達の住む平和な王国に、ある日、強力な魔法を操る大ガメクッパの一族が侵略して来ました。おとなしいキノコ一族は、皆その魔力によって岩やレンガ、つくし等に姿を変えられてしまい、キノコ王国は亡びてしまったのです。
- このキノコ達の魔法を解き、よみがえらす事ができるのはキノコ王国のお姫様ピーチ姫だけ。彼女は今、大魔王クッパの手中にあります。
- マリオは、カメ一族を倒してピーチ姫を救出し、再び平和なキノコ王国を築くために立ち上がりました。
- テレビの中のマリオはあなたです。このアドベンチャークエスト(遠征)を完結できるのは、あなただけなのです。
- It pretty much states what you say, that the inhabitants of the Mushroom Kingdom were turned into bricks, rocks, horsetails, etc..
- 2)SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- ものがたり
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま掲載しています。
- キノコ達の住む平和な王国に、ある日、強力な魔法を操る大ガメクッパの一族が侵略して来ました。
- おとなしいキノコ一族は、皆その魔力によって岩やレンガ、つくし等に姿を変えられてしまい、キノコ王国は亡びてしまったのです。
- このキノコ達の魔法を解き、よみがえらす事ができるのはキノコ王国のお姫様ピーチ姫だけ。彼女は今、大魔王クッパの手中にあります。
- マリオは、カメ一族を倒してピーチ姫を救出し、再び平和なキノコ王国を築くために立ち上がりました。
- テレビの中のマリオはあなたです。このアドベンチャークエスト(遠征)を完結できるのは、あなただけなのです。
- No, it's not a joke or a transcription mistake, both the SMB and SMB: TLL stories are the same story! I don't know if it was a mistake of the writer of the Encyclopedia, but knowing how SMB: TLL was similar to SMB, I would be hardly surprised if the designers just recycled the same story even in the manuals.
- 3)SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- ものがたり
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま掲載しています。
- これは、もう一つの星くずの物語…
- 光かがやく星くずがキノコ王国の大地に降りそそぐ百年に一度の季節が巡ってきました。
- マリオへ
- 流れ星を見ながら
- ケーキでもいかがですか?
- お城で待っています。
- ピーチより
- ピーチより
- 流れ星を見ながら
- ピーチ姫からの招待に、胸を躍らせマリオが 星降る草原を走っていると草むらから、不思議な光がみえました。
- おそるおそる のぞき込むと…そこにいたのは、迷子の小さな星の子でした。
- すっかり懐いた 迷子の星の子 ベビイチコをつれお城へ たどり着いたマリオですが
- そこで、待っていたものは…
- I don't know if there are really references to SMG, at most the first sentence, that could be read like "this is another stardust story".
- 4)Well, there's hardly anything that can be said. In the Super Mario World Levels section, this is how Yoshi's Island is described:
- ヨースター島
- ヨッシーの家がある小島。左上にはかっば山がある。
- That 「ヨースター」 is clearly different from Yoshi's name, 「ヨッシー」. What about the name used in the Yoshi spin-off games? There is a section in the Encyclopedia...
- ヨッシー
- 『スーパーマリオワールド』で登場したヨッシーは、そのわずか1年後、1991年末に発売された『ヨッシーのたまご』で早くも主役となる。これ以降、『ヨッシーのクッキー』や『ヨッシーのパネポン』など、パズルゲームの主役を務めていく。そのほか、アクションゲームのシリーズでも活躍。マリオたちが赤ちゃんのころのお話である『スーパーマリオヨッシーアイランド』では、タマゴを投げて攻撃するアクションを披露。のちに、これはヨッシーの代表的なアクションとなった。
- Effectively, the name used, 「ヨッシーアイランド」, even when read sounds like Yoshi's Island. The Super Mario Memorial Book even has a box dedicated to the Yoshi's Island series (!):
- ベビィマリオが登場するスピンオフシリーズ
- 『ヨッシーアイランド』シリーズ』
- ヨッシーが赤ちゃん姿のベビィマリオを守りながら冒険を繰り広げる横スクロールアクション。敵の攻撃を受けるとベビィマリオが離れてしまい、急いで助けなければならないというドキドキのシステムが面白い。
- The name used, even as name for hte series, is again 「ヨッシーアイランド」. Is it the same place as 「ヨースター島」? Pretty much nothing is said, as you can see. And as you have seen, Kamek is definitely not mentioned either, so I'll just add to what SmokedChili said the actual description in the box:
- カメック
- カメ の 姿 を し た 魔法使い で 分厚い メガネ が 特徴初登場作 は 『 スーパー マ リオ ワールド』 。
- It's just the description of the Magikoopas.
- 5)Finally, somthing that was actually stated in the Encyclopedia! In the "And more" section of NSMB, we have this:
- ほねクリバ初見参!
- 炎の池に落ちたクッパは、骨になった姿のほねクツパとなって復活。本作以降でも、クッパとは異なる強敵として、マリオの前にたびたび立ちはだかることになる。『マリオカートWii』などでは、プレイヤーキャラクターとして活躍する。
- So, it's pretty much now confirmed that Dry Bowser is not Bowser in the later games! By the way, here's his bio from the Super Mario Memorial Book:
- ほねクッパ
- ガイコツ姿のクッパ。『マリオカートWii』や『マリオテニスオープン』などにも登場する。
- 登場作品
- NSM, 3DL
- NSMB2 is forgotten for some reason...
- By the way, I'm wondering, should I make a separate subpage for these kinds of question?--Mister Wu (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Hold on, I just noticed that all the story sections you posted have a following text:
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま龍しています。
- 20.) If I understand it right, it says that the stories were taken straight from the manual. But out of sheer interest, did SMB3 also have that sentence? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 15:00, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Thank you for your reply! So, if I understand this properly, Dry Bowser was another form of Bowser at first then became a separate character (although both interpretations of the character seem to be used, as Dry Bowser is still Bowser in Mario Party 10 for instance). Koopalmier (talk) 18:53, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- So it seems, if I'm reading it right, there's that 「異なる」 that could be interpreted in many ways, so we should first of all try to translate the whole part properly to understand if it could have another meaning (e.g.: different in the sense of curious, not in the sense of different from Bowser).--Mister Wu (talk) 19:04, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Hold on, I just noticed that all the story sections you posted have a following text:
- Sorry for being late, before answering questions 1-3 I have to say that the stories in the Encyclopedia are pretty much the same of the manuals (with a special exception for Super Mario Bros. 3, likely introduced as an attempt at stating that the Koopalings were never directly stated to be Bowser's children, which is false, by the way). So, there they are:
21.) In NSMBW there are three sizes of Goombas, which are from smallest to largest Goomba, Big Goomba and Mega Goomba. However, does the Encyclopedia make a distinction between the latter two, or are both labeled as the same enemy? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:33, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
- 21)All three types of Goombas are mentioned:
- クリボー
- まっすぐ歩いてくる。BGMに合わせて小さく跳ねる。
- こでかクリボー
- 少し大きなクリボー。踏むと2体のクリボーに分裂する。
- でかクリボー
- 踏むと2体のこでかクリボーに、ヒップドロップで4体のクリボーに分裂する。
- So Big Goomba and Mega Goomba are considered different enemies in the Encycloepdia.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
Gotta be honest, using the words こ and でか together sounds like an oxymoron.
22.) Regarding Bowser's Castle, is it written as クッパ城 in SMB3 section or something else like クッパのしろ? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 06:05, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
- 22)More like the first term. This is the description of the Dark Land:
- 暗黒の国
- 大魔王クッパが寺ち受ける国。戦車や戦艦が押し寄せる。
- But the final level has this name and description:
- W8-クッパの城
- クッパ石像が妨害する最終コース。クッパの部屋へは2とおりの方法で進める。
- So in the end, it's the first term you mentioned with an added 「の」.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:35, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
Well, I did ask how it's written, but I believe it's actually the second option but with the kanji for "castle". You see, usually 城 is read as しろ "shiro" which is the Japanese reading kun-yomi, but when it's used as a suffix in place names, the on-yomi (Chinese) reading じょう "jō" is used. So ultimately, クッパの城 is read as "Kuppa no shiro", while クッパ城 is read as "Kuppa-Jō".
23.) This in turn gives me an idea for hypothesis that クッパ城 "Kuppa-Jō" is the modern Japanese term for Bowser's Castle. What does the book say about it in the other games? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 14:35, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
- 23)Both terms can be seen, at least until Super Mario 3D Land. But let's look at the various cases:
- SUPER MARIO BROS.
- W8-4
- クッパの待つ最後の城。正しい土管に入らないと先へ進めない。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- W8-4
- いくつかの部屋に分かれており、土管に入りながら進む。
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- クッパの城
- 前半と後半で4つずつ部屋があり、1つの部屋を選んで進む。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- W8-
- 180度回転する不思議な部屋の謎を解き、クッパの部屋を目指す。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- W8-
- クッパの待つ城。溶岩の上をほねリフトで渡っていく。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- クッパの新銀河帝国
- クッパの待ち受ける大帝国。宇宙の運命をかけた戦いが待ち受ける。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- WORLD8
- クッパ城は目前。コース数がもっとも多いワールド。
- W8-1
- クッパの城に潜入。溶岩に囲まれた狭い足場に、複数の敵が待ち受ける。
- W8-2
- リフトに乗って仕掛けを避けながら、クッパの待ち受ける本拠地へ。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- W6-
- クッパとラストバトル。クッパ七人衆も最後の抵抗をしてくる。
- W
-
- ほねクッパが待ち受ける最難関の城。クッパ七人衆も再び登場。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- WORLD 1
対決!- クッパのハイウェイ城
- クッパの待つ大橋の戦場。じゃまな仕掛けや敵はキックボムで応戦。
- WORLD
- 大きな城がそびえるワールド。最後のようせい姫が囚われている。
- 激突!
- クッパの溶岩城
- 溶岩だらけの城で待ちかまえるクッパとの再戦。
- 「クッパ城」 is indeed seen in the description of World 8 in Super Mario 3D Land, but there are also more complex cases, like in SM3DW in which different forms, 「クッパの溶岩城」 and 「クッパのハイウェイ城」, can be found.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
24.) What names does the book give for the different Pokeys in Mario Galaxy? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 06:37, 29 September 2016 (EDT)
- 24)They indeed have peculiar names:
- ココサンボ
- 近づくと体を倒して攻撃してくる。攻撃手段はココナッツをぶつけること。
- サンボヘッド
- 近づくと地面から出現し、跳ねながら近づいてくるサンボの頭。
- だるまサンボ
- 赤いサンボ。スピン攻撃をすると、体が1つずつ飛んでいく。
- Pretty odd to see that 「だるま」, while the 「ココ」 is understandable due to how they must be defeated.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:36, 29 September 2016 (EDT)
25.) What name does Snufit from SM64 have in the book?
26.) Are the Fishbones seen in Kingfin battle in SMG called "Fishbone" in the book?
--SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 07:56, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
- 25)The Snufit are called 「ムーチョ」:
- ムーチョ
- 宙を飛びながら、マリオに向かって連続で球を発射してくる。
- And if you were wondering, yes, that's the same name used for the Snifits of the "Enemies" section of Super Mario Bros. USA, although in that section they also append the colors of the Snifits to such name.
- 26)Their name is actually 「コボーネ」:
- コボーネ
- キングボーネの周囲を泳ぐ魚。マリオに向かってきて爆発する。
- So they are more like Little Bones.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:08, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
27.) What are the Japanese names of Mario Sunshine enemies Soarin' Stu and Swipin' Stu? --SmokedChili (talk) 08:04, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- 27)They are both considered two colored variants (blue and green, respectively) of the same enemy, 「ハネクリン」:
- ハネクリン(青)
- マリオの頭上に飛んできて急降下する。左右に飛んでいるタイプも。
- ハネクリン(緑)
- 飛んでいて、近づくと急降下してくる。当たると帽子を奪われる。
- I wonder if 「ハネ」 means honey, as a way to state that these Stus are like insects.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:26, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- I checked, and it's actually from 翅, meaning "(insect) wings", so they are in a way like insects. Honey would be ハニー. --SmokedChili (talk) 08:12, 12 December 2016 (EST)
28.) In SMB3, what is the name of blue coins that appear when a P-Switch is hit? --SmokedChili (talk) 12:54, 17 December 2016 (EST)
- 28)They are more or less known as Hidden Coins, 「隠しコイン」:
- 隠しコイン
- 青色のコイン。スイッチブロックを踏むとー定時問出現する。
- 「スイッチブロック」 is the name of the P-Switch in the SMB3 part of the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2016 (EST)
29.) What about the silver P-Switches and the silver Coins create in SMW?
30.) Do all of the Bullet Bill varieties in Sunshine (Missle, Gold, Blue) have their own names?
--SmokedChili (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2016 (EST)
- 29)Well, the Encyclopedia pretty much states what they do, the Silver Coins are furthermore referred to as such instead of using the classical name followed by the color used in many other cases (including the silver P-Switch one):
- スイッチブロック(銀色)
- 踏むと敵をシルバーコインに変える。
- シルバーコイン
- スイッチブロック(銀色)で変化した敵。連続で取ると1UPする。
- 30)Yes, all the varieties of Bullet Bills are mentioned, as usual, their color is mentioned after the name:
- キラー
- 砲台から発射され、マリオに向かって飛んでくる。
- キラー(青)
- 倒すと水が補給され、1UPキノコが出現する。
- キラー(金色)
- ときどき発射される珍しいキラー。倒すとコインが8枚出る。
- キラー(紫)
- 砲台から発射され、マリオを追いかけて飛んでくる。
- The Missile Bills are referred to as Purple Bullet Bills, using a name which is different from the 「サーチキラー」 name used in the New Super Mario Bros. Wii enemies section.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:04, 31 December 2016 (EST)
Considering that Bullet Bills have had homing abilities in 3D games, the Missile Bills in Sunshine could be argued to be actually color-swapped Bullet Bills. Thus I think Bull's-Eye Bill is separate from Missile Bill and really originated in NSMBWii.
A little note: I fixed the question numbers starting with the 24th question. Please apply these fixes for your answers as well to avoid confusion.
31.) Do Lemmy and Wendy's dummies in their SMW battles have their own entries?
--SmokedChili (talk) 13:21, 15 January 2017 (EST)
- 31)No, they don't, here are the descriptions of Wendy and Lemmy from Super Mario World that I already previosuly transcribed:
- レミー
- バニラドームのボス。ダミー人形とともに土管から顔を出す。
- ウェンディ
- チョコレー島のボス。レミーと同じだが、部屋のバブルが増えている。
- I also corrected the numbers, thanks for pointing that.--Mister Wu (talk) 14:02, 15 January 2017 (EST)
32.) In that recently made article for blue Bowser as well as Fake Bowser article, it's stated that blue Bowser in WD-4 in SMB:TLL is a fake. However, in the light of Encyclopedia 2015 saying that it's blue Bowser in that level, is there anything that says Bowser himself is also faced there? --SmokedChili (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
- 32)The article stats that it's a fake [based on a playthrough that defeats that Blue Bowser of World D-4 with fireballs, so far I couldn't find any official source that stated that - although the differences with the real Blue Bowser are clear, in that he doesn't attack with hammers and he is revealed to be a Spiny when defeated with fireballs. Anyway the description of World D-4 effectively mentions Bowser:
- WD-4
- 城から始まり、地上や地下を通ってクッパとの最終決戦へ。
- So, the last fight of World D-4 should be with Bowser, according to the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
