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Rename Metal-Head Wario Can Move and Luigi in the Cage back to Metal-Head Mario Can Move! and Roll into the Cage respectively, or split them

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rename Metal-Head Wario Can Move to Metal-Head Mario Can Move! and split Roll into the Cage from Luigi in the Cage 3-0-7-0-0
These two titles in particular refer to version-exclusive content in Super Mario 64 DS, and uniformly adhering to the most recent naming across the board causes noticeable discrepancies with the core gameplay of Super Mario 64. Both refer to characters that simply don't exist in Super Mario 64, and the power-up nomenclature has always defaulted to "[Form] Mario" so the former would be a better match. This looks off in places like template pages where version differences are already denoted, so these titles should ideally be more universal. As an example, Tower of the Wing Cap kept its name despite being changed in Super Mario 64 DS, presumably because it is inconsistently referred to as both "? Switch" and "? Switches of Rainbow Tower" (undoubtedly a mistake as there's only one, which may be a holdover of the "! Switches" in Super Mario 64). Also, the Wing Cap technically exists in Super Mario 64 DS as part of Wing Mario (albeit not as a power-up item), so the original name is still more version-neutral overall. That was before we had this proposal regarding shared identifiers, so I believe there's enough wiggle room here to invoke the exception clause.

Other levels would not be affected by the proposed title neutrality for the following reasons:

• Behind the Waterfall - Cavern of the Metal Cap refers to an item not in the DS version.
• The Secret Under the Moat - Vanish Cap Under the Moat refers to an item not in the DS version.
• Mario's Super Wall Kick - Wall Kicks Will Work was changed to tell the player which character to use, but Mario is obviously in both versions, so the difference is unimportant.
• Inside the Cage - Collect the Caps... refers to items not in the DS version; that, and the original title is a misnomer since you didn't actually need both items, so it is also a correction.
• 5 Secrets in the Shallows & Sky - The DS version is more specific by adding a "5" in the name, so the difference is negligible.
• Go to Town for the Red Coins - The DS version adds "the" in the name, so it's a minor grammatical difference.
• Breathtaking View from the Bridge - The DS version adds "the" in the name, so it's a minor grammatical difference.
• Over the Rainbows - This last change appears to have been made since there is a DS-exclusive secret star meant for Wario, so the name Wing Mario Over the Rainbow is no longer applicable.

The only one I'm not sure about is Elevator Tour in the Volcano. Losing information looks like an oversight since the English localization seems to be the only one that shortened such a key detail, so it appears to be a naming error. "Inside the Volcano" is too vague and is easily mixed up with the other volcano mission. However, it is outside the scope of this proposal and thus requires a separate discussion.

Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: December 2, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Rename Both

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) Unlike In the Deep Freeze and Yoshi's Ice Sculpture, these just aren't transformative enough to warrant splitting.
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) I'm a metalhead, a metalhead, a metalhead, a metalhead....oh right, per proposal.
3. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.

Split Both

#Alex95 (talk) - Leaning more towards splitting. While the Metal-Head missions aren't all that different, the Tick-Tock Clock Cage missions are. Mario can just simply platform his way into the cage, whereas Luigi has to climb halfway up and grab a Power Flower to drop through the mesh cage. Since I don't see an option to rename Metal-Head while splitting Cage, voting here.

Rename Metal-Head Wario Can Move to Metal-Head Mario Can Move! and Split Roll into the Cage from Luigi in the Cage

1. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per Alex95.
2. Alex95 (talk) - Per my struck-through reasonings above.
3. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per Alex95, I'm going with this option as my secondary choice.
4. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Makes sense to me, per Alex. This actually seems roughly the same case as the Pendulum missions.
5. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per Alex95.
6. WeirdDave13 (talk) Per all.
7. bwburke94 (talk) Per Alex95.