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Voice

Hey, in the triva section it mentions something about king boo's voice. Why can't that be in the description? I just wanted to say that here than make a edit that might be changed back anyway. User:Mechayoshi

Robot

I beleive that King Boo simply got Bowser or someone else to make a bowser suit for him just to confuse us. --PeteyPiranhaLover 15:54, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Dancing on the line...HK

Dancing on the line . . . ? Huh?

Anyway, some articles on the Wiki say that it's a bot, others say Bowser really died. Shouldn't we come up with one theory and put it on every article? Waluigi Freak 99 18:01, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

I always thought that the Bowser in this game was a robot because A)There's no blood, B)It's distinctly robotic-looking, and most importantly, C)Madame Clairvoya says Bowser was DEFEATED, not killed. Monty Mole 18:06, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

True, there's no blood, but many Mario characters have died without blood. I do think it's a robot. Waluigi Freak 99 18:31, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

The most logical theory is that King Boo is using Bowser himself. First, like Waluigi Freak said, just because there is no blood during the battle, doesn't mean it's a robot. There has never been blood in a Mario game, despite the fact that Mario himself has been stabbed multiple times. In the game, Luigi even could get smashed by a Trapdoor, but instead of having his internal organs crushed with blood spewing everywhere, Luigi is flattened in a cartoon-like fashion. This means that Bowser could be a real body even without blood. Secondly, if Bowser really was a robot, it would be the most life-like robot in a Mario game. All the other Mecha Bowsers have been clearly mechanical. This Bowser seems alive and moves in a fluid motion. If anything, it could be a magical apparition, but certainly not a mechanical robot. However, Madame Clairvoya says that Bowser was soundly defeated at the hands of Mario. Later, when she sees Bowser in a vision, she freaks out and ponders how King Boo could have revived Bowser. This means, at the very least, that Bowser did die before the events of Luigi's Mansion, otherwise, he wouldn't need to be revived (and Madame Clairvoya wouldn't freak out at his return; Bowser returns everytime, but has never returned from the dead prior to this game). This also implies, but does not prove, that the Bowser body in the game is a revived Bowser. This is the best answer from the game itself. However, we do have another mystery at hand. After Luigi captures King Boo and returns him the Portraitficationizer (or whatever it's called), not only do we see the spirit of King Boo, we also see the spirit of Bowser right next to him. This indicates that a spirit form of Bowser may have aided King Boo, and was captured when King Boo was. -- Son of Suns

The Hard Truth

I've finally asked Nintendo(NOA) about this controversial topic. First you have to narrow the facts down. Nintendo claims that it was in fact a suit. Second the Mario Rpg Series, Sport Series, Donkey Kong Series and Mario Party Series(including Mario is Missing) does not tie into the plot in any way.These games were made from foreign developing companies.So are the Shows, Movie, and comics(Nintendo Power is also considered a foreign company) Only the Mario Platformers, Mario Sidescrollers, Mario Kart Series,Yoshi Series, and Luigi's Mansion are pure Nintendo products. They wouldn't tell me any more. Nintendo said use your imagination and think because there is definately a straight plot.

They said "use your imagination" for a good reason, you know. BooDestroyer 22:27, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Sigh . . .

Actually, there has been blood. In Super Mario Bros. 2, when Wart died, there was red liquid forming around his eyes in the background. Just felt like pointing that out.

Anyway, we know that Bowser died. But we know that King Boo used a robotic suit. It's possible that King Boo actually IS Bowser. But of course, that's unlikely, because both Bowser and King Boo were both in Super Mario Sunshine, and were clearly separate characters. So that theory's out the window.

While we try to figure out exactly what happened, let's change every article and say that it is unclear what happened. This article says Bowser died, the Bowser article says it was a suit, and I'm sure there's some more in this Wiki that say something else. Waluigi Freak 99 18:06, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, it could be that Bowser died in NSMB and was revived by Bowser Jr, but was still weak, so Bowser Jr made a Bowser suit for King Boo to use. --User:Superchao

I think that NSMB happened after Luigi's Mansion. If Bowser ever died, it was in Paper Mario. What I believe is that King Boo wanted to use Bowser's body, but Bowser's spirit wouldn't let him, so King Boo used a Bowser suit. Apparently, after King Boo was defeated by Luigi, Bowser and King Boo formed a truce and King Boo revived Bowser. King Boo then went on to serve as one of Bowser's minions.

That's what I think, anyway.

Waluigi Freak 99 18:56, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, Bowser lived after Paper Mario. It could be that Madame Clarovoyia was speaking in riddles, and meant that Bowser had somehow returned after beating beaten, and that's where the suit came from.--User:Superchao

Okay . . . perhaps Bowser died in between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion. I don't thinK Madame Clarovoyia was speaking in riddles.

By the way, Superchao, you should start signing your comments. I tire of having to do it for you. Waluigi Freak 99 19:01, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry. Plus, Bowser probably survived, and Clarovoyia was talking about his recovery, or she didn't know it was a suit. Superchao 19:03, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Maybe Madame Clairvoya was just mistaken about the "revive" comment? That would mean it really is a suit.Monty Mole 19:20, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

So what we've got is: Bowser was defeated in Paper Mario. Madame Clarovoyia thought he was dead, but he lived. Bowser went to Luigi's Mansion for some reason, probably because Mario went there, and most likely witnessed King Boo turn Mario into a painting. King Boo saw Bowser and constructed a robotic version of Bowser. Madame Clarovoyia sees the robot Bowser and thinks that Bowser has been revived.

That pretty much sums up what we've decided on so far. It seems like the most likely explanation. Waluigi Freak 99 19:31, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Still, we'll never know for 100% sure. Monty Mole 19:33, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

You can't just assume Madame Clairvoya was mistaken. She is the best source we have. Bowser died sometime between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion, according to the ghost psychic. Later, Bowser appeared in a spirit form at the end of the game, along with King Boo. As indicated by both the game and the Player's Guide, the Bowser battle body could very well be Bowser, but is at the very least a very convincing disguise. There is no evidence to suggest that King Boo and Bowser met at Luigi's Mansion then King Boo made a robotic suit. Like I said before, the suit is probably not robotic, but magical (if it's not Bowser's actual body).

To recap: Bowser did die between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion at the hands of Mario. Bowser's spirit appears at the end of Luigi's Mansion with King Boo, and is trapped inside a painting with him. The battle body may be Bowser's actual body, but at the very least it is a very convincing Bowser disguise.

We should put that info in the King Boo and Bowser articles for that's all that we know for sure. -- Son of Suns

We can't, because it's just a theory. How do we know Bowser died or if PM is right before LM?

Here are the facts:

1)According to Madame Clairvoya, Bowser died before the events of Luigi's Mansion, as he wouldn't need to be revived if he was not dead. 2)Bowser's spirit appears at the end of the game along side King Boo, and both are trapped in the painting. 3)Based on Madame Clairvoya's statements, it can be inferred that the Bowser battle body is Bowser himself, but at the very least it is a very convincing Bowser disguise (we don't know if it is a robot; disguise is the best word to use because it encompasses a broad range of objects). -- Son of Suns

It is possible that the Madame meant how he could have been recovering. It may not be Bowser's spirit, but whatever magic was powering the suit. Maybe Bowser used a bit of his own spirit. The suit is revealed to be a suit, because when the head is removed, it has a robotic interior. At least say it is only a theory.

I don't think Madame Clairvoya would express shock if Bowser recovered from injuries (he does so after every game and keeps coming back). However, coming back from death is quite a shock. Also, why would King Boo need to revive Bowser if he is simply recovering from injuries. Madame Clairvoya says that Bowser has been "soundly defeated", meaning he would never come back (by any natural means). It would make sense that the Bowser spirit is a spirit, as the machine is designed to turn ghosts into paintings (and it would support Clairvoya's claims that Bowser is dead). And I don't remeber the suit having a robotic interior; in fact, I think all you can see is black. -- Son of Suns

Well, how are we to know? Maybe Bowser was still alive, but so badly injured, he needed help, so King Boo controled his body while Bowser recoved, and that is why he was caught and later, when he was stronger, he broke free of the painting and took back his body. Superchao 16:30, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Let's try including this information in the articles:

1) Bowser was "soundly defeated" by Mario some time before the events of Luigi's Mansion and may have been "revived" by King Boo (as stated by Madame Clairvoya). 2) The Bowser fought at the end of the game may be the actual Bowser, but it is at the very least a very convincing Bowser disguise (as stated by the official Player's Guide). 3) A transparent essence that resembles a spirit form of Bowser appears at the end of the game, and is trapped inside the painting with King Boo.

Does that work, given what we know to be true? -- Son of Suns

Using the sources, that sounds good. Do it, as this is becoming a lengthy conversation. Wayoshi ( T·C·@ ) 21:34, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Articles Changed

I've changed both the King Boo and Bowser articles to display the information we've agreed on in this article. I'm actually now leaning towards the possibility that King Boo possessed Bowser's corpse, and that Bowser was revived before Super Mario Sunshine (probably by Bowser Jr.). Waluigi Freak 99 14:04, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

I changed your edits as well. I replaced "robot" with "disguise". We don't know if it's a robot or not. -- Son of Suns

Okay, because it could either be a dead Bowser who was revived, a Bowser who was weak enough for King Boo to possess, or a disguise infused with a tiny bit of Bowser's spirit. Superchao 15:12, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, Son of Suns. Didn't catch that.Waluigi Freak 99 13:18, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

I would just like to point out that this Bowser disguise is not the first. There were multiple Bowser disguises in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels. Goombas, Hammer Bros., and even Bloobers wore these disguises, and would be exposed if these decoys were destroyed with fireballs. -- Son of Suns

I don't think that King Boo disguised a living Bowser; if he did, Bowser surely died when Luigi decapitated him, and we didn't hear Bowser scream or even gasp a last breath after that. He was either dead or not there.

Guess we'll never know . . . Waluigi Freak 99 14:41, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Actually there was blood. Its hard to notice amoung the explosion though. Nintendo probaly blended it in to keep an E rating. I personally think King Boo in this game hates BOwser. I think the one in this and sunshine are different Boos. The one in sunshine is really playful and boo like. The one in mansion seems serious all the time and Grodus like.

Hmm... I'll have to watch for that. It isn't too far-fetched to have a bleeding final boss in a Mario game... Let's think Wart... --YellowYoshi398 22:36, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Fan art

Why does King Boo's new picture look like fan art? whoever uploaded that picture should get rid of it!PeteyPiranhaLover 19:26, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

That picture is from Luigi's Mansion not fan art. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions·) Paper Jorge was here at... 19:47, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

If you played the game, PPL, that is the gold ghost portrait obtained for defeating King Boo/Bowser Suit without being damaged. It is meant to look like it was made out of pastel. Wayoshi ( T·C·@ ) 20:16, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

NOT a fan art. Mada Mada Dane

King/Boss

I'm not really sure about the American versions of the game, but in the Japanese versions of the games, in Luigi's Mansion the boo is known as "King Boo", where as in SMS, he(or it's) Boss boo. Can someone verify that in the American versions, they are, in fact the same character? (Besides, the one in L's Mansion has a polygonal crown, unlike all of the other ones, wearing a crown similiar to Peach's.) Super Mario 256 20:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

In Super Mario Sunshine, the episode King Boo appears in is named "King Boo Down Below". -- Son of Suns

Well,what I think is there are multiple King Boos,in Luigi's Mansion,King Boo looked like a big boo with a crown and oversized tounge,in his next appearence,he had an even bigger tounge and had blue eyes,but this doesn't explain the Bowser suit. Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E

Characters change appearance all the time. That does not mean they are not the same character. -- Son of Suns

Very true. I think they're all the same. User:King Boo 20:14, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

What the first user meant is that the Japanese names are different. In Luigi's Mansion, it was indeed King Teresa, but Super Mario Sunshine's version was called Boss Teresa. However, when it got translated, either someone was lazy or they were confused, so they mistranslated and slapped on the name "King Boo" on the latter. It's actually another character alltogether. LinkTheLefty 22:49, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Picture

• Shouldn't we get a recent picture of him that shows his current appearence? Like from Mario Party 8...Darth waluigi 21:13, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

...King Boo was in Luigi's Mansion first.

November 21, 2004, DS's release, was much after May 3, 2002, 64 DS's update. If you are referring to the giant Boo in 64, he did not wear a crown, and his laugh was different than King Boo's. He was simply referred to as "Big Boo".

Is there any proof that he's in with the Koopa Troop?

Like with Petey Piranha, there's no solid proof that he's working for Bowser. Going after Mario because he's a threat to the Boo species doesn't mean that he's Bowser's partner in any way. Like Petey Piranha, he can simply be angry towards them (like Petey Piranha attacking because he interrupted his sleep) and want to fight them.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaos (talk).

King Boo Dilemma

• Something has been bugging me regarding King Boo. As we have all known, there have been three different forms of King Boo so far, but I don't think they're all the exact same character. However, I do think that each King Boo is the ancestor of the other.
  For example, Super Mario Sunshine's King Boo would be the ancestor of the King Boo from Luigi's Mansion, while today's King Boo would be the ancestor of the past two King Boos.
  Does anyone else seem to question this situation? M&SG (talk) 16:44, 2 February 2009 (EST)

I actually think each Mario is the son of the Mario from the previous game. But that's speculation. There's no evidence to suggest there are multiple King Boos, so saying they are all different would be speculation as well. -- Son of Suns (talk)

I've also been wondering that ever since I first encountered Sunshine's "King Boo". The two boos don't even look anything alike, aside from being boos! First look at the cool, ruby-crowned King Boo from Mansion, then look at the ugly, humongous-tounged "King Boo" from Sunshine. I say it's more likely that they are different characters than the same. Lord Xavius 13:08, 11 February 2009 (EST)

I think that that the two King Boos are the same person because the King Boo in Luigi's Mansion says something like, "This is for all the trouble you caused me in the past" So maybe Super Mario Sunshine happened before Luigi's Mansion and the peppers were so hot on King Boo's tongue that it decomposed his tongue and he probably found a new crown and put in colored contacts. P.S. I strongly doubt that each Mario is the son of the Mario in the previous game, Son of Sons. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan

Um... Doubtful. There's no logic to show Super Mario Sunshine taking place before Luigi's Mansion (look at the quote "I wish someone would take a vacuum and suck up these ghosts... why are you looking at me like that?) I'm pretty sure the "all the trouble in the past" is explained by Super Mario 64 DS, in which, mark it- MARIO defeated King Boo. -PPF

I think it's possible that the Mansion King Boo could still be in the "Artsy Lonesome" (My nickname for E.Gadd's gallery in Mansion) and the current incarnation of King Boo could be an heir of some sort.Shadow Master 15:00, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Semi-Protection?

This is concerning the current protection of the article. The article was protected because a certain user vandalized the picture repeatedly by switching the main artwork of the article. Said user was banned, but apparently knows nothing better to do with his life than to re-register with another IP and repeat the circle.

However, after re-registering, a user loses the privilegues of a longtime user (moving and editing semi-protected articles), and has to wait for about a month to get them back. That said, wouldn't it be better to semi-protect this article? That way we could block out the malevolent user, while allowing the other users to edit the article further. - Gabumon^(talk) 02:25, 10 November 2009 (EST)

• I noticed that only Sysops can modify this article too. I was hoping to add a certain template onto that article, but because of the full protection, that's not possible right now. M&SG (talk) 12:43, 11 November 2009 (EST)

I agree with Edo, it should be semi-protected and we could just block the vandal after...--FREAK ~Game Freak~ OUT!

Besides, I'm sure we have enough users and administrators to combat a vandal... If worse comes to worse, and a regular users cannot undo an edit made by the person, then a patroller/sysop could just go ahead and use rollback (or a regular user edit the last good revision). Per Edofenrir. · SMB (Talk) · 12:52, 11 November 2009 (EST)

• It'll soon be a full month since this article received full protection. When will the full protection be lifted? Again, semi-protection can be considered if you feel that this article still needs to be protected from the newer Mario Wiki members. M&SG (talk) 16:48, 5 December 2009 (EST)

Split Super Mario Sunshine section to King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal.

split 5-1
In the Japanese language editions of various Mario games, there is a character called キングテレサ Kingu Teresa. There is also a Super Mario Sunshine exclusive character called ボステレサ Bosu Teresa. Both of these are localized into English as "King Boo", creating an ambiguity. Based on the precedent set at Talk:Yo'ster Isle, I'm proposing that the information pertaining to Bosu Teresa be split to a separate article at King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine).

Proposer: Twentytwofiftyseven (talk)
Deadline: April 16, 2010, 23:59 (GMT)

Support

1. Twentytwofiftyseven (talk)
2. KS3 (talk) Kingu Teresa stands for King Boo, while the other one stands for Boss Boo, the official name for King Boo in Super Mario Sunshine.
3. Edofenrir (talk) - If the Japanese names are different, they are likely to be different characters. Per 2257.
4. Mr bones (talk) - They have different appearence,and different names in japan,the game was made in japan,so they are different characters.Per 2257.
5. Grandy02 (talk) - Same as the Wiggler boss - the creators named the Sunshine King Boo differently, so he is most likely intended to be a separate character.

Oppose

1. Commander Code-8 (talk) Why are there always people who think there needs to be a new article just because there's a translation difference?

Comments

@Commander Code-8: This isn't a translation difference, as the Japanese version is the original and not a translated version, almost all Mario games are made in Japan. And the team that developed the game (which included Mario's creator Shigeru Miyamoto as the producer who also produced the first King Boo's debut game Luigi's Mansion) named the SMS King Boo differently from the other one, implying that the two kings are intended to be different characters. --Grandy02 17:54, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

@Commander Code-8: The King boo in Super Mario Sunshine is supposed to be named Boss Boo, or how about let's split Goby from Cheep Cheep, and merge Blue Toad (toad Brigade) into Blue Toad (NSMBW) and Metal Mario (character) and Metal Mario (form). KS3 (talk · contribute)

King Boo and Bowser

I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my cousin's gamecube today,and I noticed somthing,King Boo was talking with Mario saying...Okay,it was the french version so I translate it:You have cosed me troubles in the past.What past?Is this line in the USA version too?Count Bonsula I need blood...

I bet he was refering to all the boos that were defeated by mario
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaialone (talk).

That just can't be right.Boos can never be killed before luigi's mansion exept in SM64.Even in SM64,they say"Ghosts can't DIE".I don't think these are "troubles".Count Bonsula I need blood...

Ghosts may not die, but they can still be hurt. Mario did hurt many in Super Mario 64, actually Big Boo may be King Boo. That's only pure speculation though. Still, as long as it's not confirmed then it's speculation, and speculations aren't allowed here. Koopalmier 15:05, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

And I also think that suit wasen't a suit.If it's a suit,then how does the head move when king boo is about to be sucked?Or,did you see how the "suit" fall at the end?It's like a body or somthing!Count Bonsula I need blood...

The head moves because it's a poltergeist. In other words, an object that is not alive is possessed. When King Boo is sucked up (and thus defeated), the "Bowser suit" is un-possessed and thus fall, as it can't maintain its weight. In other words, it falls like a basic item (or someone that'd fall) because it IS a basic item. Koopalmier 15:05, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

A website I was on said that Sunshine happened BEFORE Mansion,despite the order in which they were released! This may be what the Ghostly Supreme ( My nickname for King Boo) may have been talking about! Shadow Master 14:50, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

In comparing to what I said above, the same website said that the peppers Mario used on the incarnation of King Boo in Sunshine turned his eyes red (possibly a Boo version of bloodshot eyes) and the water Mario used on King Boo turned his tounge blue, thus, the face of the Luigi's Mansion incarnation of King Boo! Shadow Master 13:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The "King Boo" character from Super Mario Sunshine is not the same character (that's why he's covered in a seperate article); besides having a different design, he bears a completely different name in the Japanese version and shows no other similarities either besides being a Boo with a crown. It doesn't matter what fan-made websites say, there is no official connection between the two. Just clearing this up.--vellidragon 14:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I have a theory, I’ve been looking at Madame Clairvoya’s line of reviving Bowser, and I thought about something. Consider this, there are other definitions of the word revive. What if it’s not bring back to life revive, it’s bring back to full strength revive? Maybe King Boo was helping Bowser recover from his injuries after the fall he had in Paper Mario, and in Luigi’s Mansion, he leaves him alone to rest( Because it was night obviously) and avenge his own pack. That would make sense, unless maybe King Boo somehow put Bowser’s soul back into his body and he became mortal again. That is my thought.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Supermariolover (talk).

Three king boos

I know that king boo and the king boo from Mario sunshine are different but is it possible that the king boo from luigis mansion dark moon is a different one to because in lmdm he says that he escapes but he has made appereances in other games! shyman(talk)

Well, the main reason the King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine is different is that he has a different Japanese name. And other things too. I don't really consider spin-offs to be part of the story of the Luigi's Mansion games. Ray Trace^(T|C) 23:28, 5 April 2013 (EDT)

I thought that the King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine was actually created by Bowser JR witht the paint brush, it explains alot, for example his appearnce, abilities and weakneses, they make no sense so really theres two king boo's. Also King Boo did escape once and as the game is set really only after the first game King Boo cold have escaped again as it ist really explained what happened to him after dark moon. - Cubeguy(talk)

No more "In Numbers" power?

Iv noticed this, in Dark Moon King Boo doesnt require the other boo's to gain power, so can we say this only happens in the first game? - Cubeguy(talk)

Update: Robot discussion

It wasnt a Bowser suit, due to recent events in dark moon, it was revealed that King Boo creates illsuisions, thus he is able to make a bowser suit himself as it is all an illusion. This, i belive, solves the matter, no robot, no dead bowser, nothing but an illusion. - Cubeguy(talk)

Are you inferring this information or does it say that the Bowser Suit is an illusion? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:43, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

The game hasn't retconned this, so therefore, we shouldn't assume. Ray Trace^(T|C) 18:44, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Can you offer any other reasons on how the suit was made? - Cubeguy(talk)

I can offer a lot of reasons, if I'm creative enough, but one thing we know for sure is that it exists. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:39, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

Yes, thats true, but as it's been recently revealed that King Boo is fully able to create illusions, including the mansion corridors during the final battle in Dark Moon, it makes sense that the bowser suit is also an illusion, which also would explain why it falls over after King Boo is sucked into the Poltergust. This brings up another guestion mind, although not as important but still, is it possible that King Boo used the painting mario was in as a Pararnormal Portal to get placed on the rooftop or would that be an illusion? - Cubeguy(talk)

True, King Boo may create illusions, but I wouldn't advise to draw connections between the two games unless it's firmly established. We know Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon came after Luigi's Mansion, but we don't know if King Boo's ability to create illusions is connected to his Bowser suit. And I don't know about the last sentence. My sister hasn't played to that point in the game, and again, I don't like drawing connections if they're not firmly established. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:04, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

I have another piece of evidence that can/could support this, by the way im talking about the rooftop battle in the first game not dark moon.(Note: theres no final rooftop battle in dark moon just in case you don't know). - Cubeguy(talk)

Even if your basing all your information in the first game, we don't know for sure if the Bowser Suit is some concrete advanced piece of technology or an illusion.

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:34, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

Well, then i guess we can class it as another ghost? It does appear in the Ghost Portificationizer. - Cubeguy(talk)

It's not a ghost either. It seems to me that it's an object that Luigi somehow sucks up, like how he can get gemstones and stuff.

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:55, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Yes well, Luigi doesnt actually suck it up, it just appears with King Boo in the Ghost Portificationizer, so i guess we just call it a "Bowser Suit" then, no robots, illusions or Ghosts, just a suit. - Cubeguy(talk)

If the spirit of bowser was sealed with king boo than Dark moon explains how he appears in late games. Bowser escaped the portrait with king boo after egadd sold it in a garage sale.-pants98

Update: Three King Boos

sorry for interrupting the above conversation, but i have proof that there are 2-3 king boos.

1.First appearance: Luigi's Mansion 2. first appearance; super mario sunshine if 2 only appears in sunshine then: 3. spin off king boo

how do i know that the Luigi's mansion King Boo is different... King Boo was sold at a car boot sale in his portrait form. he only reveals how he got out in dark moon. he would explain earlier (e.g. Super Mario 64ds) if he was the same guy. and he looks very different to the other appearances, so... 109.145.43.142 14:24, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

I don't think it's proof. It's more a hunch than solid proof that we have more than two King Boos. We do know that King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine is different, but with a bit of creativity, we can say that King Boo from Luigi's Mansion is the same as King Boo in the spinoffs. I can say that the whole time, King Boo is being an actor. In Luigi's Mansion, he's wearing costume and make-up. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:32, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

HUZZAH!! Sorry about that, but i have the solution, there are actually 2 King Boos, theres 2 because it isnt clear if the one in sunshine is actually him. Let me Explain (Note: I am talking about 1 King Boo here and not the 1 in sunshine) "ahem", In the spin off games King Boo's crown is missing the gem he wore in his debut and latest appearance, Luigis Mansion 2, the first crown was sold by Luigi at the end of the game, other wise how did he get the house without selling it. So King Boo got a new crown, but with no gem, at some point before Luigis Mansion 2, King Boo acquires a new gem as he states before the final battle. Though if you watch the cutscenes carefully the gem is floating above the crown, and after beating him is no longer attached to the crown. Thus the King boo we have seen in Luigis Mansion, The sspin off games and Luigis Mansion 2 have all been the same King Boo, He was just missing a power enhancing gem from the first game up ntil recently. Also hes appearance is only diffrent when he has said gems as in the first and latest game he kept the menacing appearance from the first game. While in the spin offs he looked like a large Boo wearing a crown. So to sum it up there are 2 King Boos not 3. Questions? - Cubeguy(talk)

I'd like to leave it as this: the King Boo from Luigi's Mansion games and the spinoffs are the same King Boo.

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:56, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Sort of what i was getting at, but yeah ok. - Cubeguy(talk)

King Boo's Other Appearance

Hey I noticed that King Boo also appeared in Mario Kart Arcade GP 2. Should that be added to this? Pokebub (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Yes, it should. - Cubeguy(talk)

Personality update with TV Troops as material source

I don't want to step on any toes, of course, but I was wondering if we should update His Royal Scariness with new information for his personality section. Apparently, his actions in Dark Moon have classified him as a complete monster on TV Tropes. Just saying. It would be best if we reached a majority agreement. Here's the link for details. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SuperMarioBrosBowserAndHisBaddies--Ladies-Man1 (talk) 21:56, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

That is a spectacularly terrible idea. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:44, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

Why? What did I do wrong? I'm not saying we should add the snarky attitude, just add some relevant information here and there.--Ladies-Man1 (talk) 23:42, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

TVTropes isn't the best place to gain information about your character's personality in the first place. Ray Trace^(T|C) 23:44, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

How so? Their info is usually quite accurate. It was just a suggestion.--Ladies-Man1 (talk) 23:46, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

Alright guys stop dissing people, he's just suggesting. Basically, TVTropes is merely interperatting an opinion on the character, its not a fact or an confirmation, and we don't acknowledge what a general audience says per character, only mentioning ratings on games. You didn't do anything wrong unless you count that username >.< Toad and his brigade! 01:02, 12 March 2015 (EDT)

I'm not exactly dissing him, I'm just criticizing his idea. We already sorta do this with our personality sections, but in a more formal manner than what TVTropes does. Ray Trace^(T|C) 01:14, 12 March 2015 (EDT)

It's a bad idea because:

1:The quality control on TV Tropes is nonexistent. Anybody can write in their insane fan theory or hatred for a specific character and present it as if that's what everyone think.

2:TV Tropes can't be used as a source for factual statement. Like, I can't even write "TV Trope's standard for sourcing are pitiful" because that would imply TV Tropes has standards for factual accuracy and proper sourcing. It literally doesn't.

3:TV Tropes is an user-contributed site. They're making statements based on the content of the gaem, just as we are. What sort of unprecedented insight would warrant citing it, and in what way couldn't it be accomplished by a mariowiki editor with a copy of the game? --Glowsquid (talk) 13:47, 12 March 2015 (EDT)

I think my username fits one of my desires very nicely. Regardless, I just think that we can study the information TV Tropes has on King Boo before deciding whether or not it can be used in a formal manner here.--Ladies-Man1 (talk) 17:41, 12 March 2015 (EDT)

This can still be useful if anyone ever decides to use it. Trust me. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SuperMarioBrosBowserAndHisBaddies --Ladies-Man1 (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Full Name in Luigi's Mansion

In Luigi's Mansion when was used the full name "Bowser and King Boo, the Dastardly Duo"? In the game, Re Boo does not have a description in the Game Boy Horror. --Sonic98 (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

Separate character

Okay, there's been some dispute over the "King Boo is a separate character from LM King Boo" addition as of late. Should it be kept? I'm personally against it, but if anyone sees a reason to keep, then I'm fine. TheDarkStar 21:13, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

(I'm just gonna copy-paste my response on the IP talk page)

Aside from the Super Mario Sunshine appearance, all the King Boos have been the same character. There has never been more than one, his appearance in Dark Moon was because of the Dark Moon and the design carried over into Luigi's Mansion 3. 21:15, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

"They're designed differently" alone usually isn't remotely enough to be considered an actual separate character (character designs evolve and shift between games, imagine that!) and alternate designs as playable characters isn't TOO much of a leap from alternate forms a la Metal Mario and such. Plus most of this is seemingly based on conflating the Luigi's Mansion continuity with that of appearances in other games, and we're well acquainted with what happens when you try to force continuity where none might actually exist. -- Lord G. matters. 22:18, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

As I've said before, the LM design and "generic" design are officially confirmed to be the same character in Smash. So not only is it fanoning to say they're different, it's defying official word. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:44, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

If it were an issue of bad localisation work, then that would have definitely been rectified by now. If they were meant to be separate individuals, they would have different Japanese names in Mario Kart Tour, which they don't. (They're both still King Teresa.) MarioComix (talk) 23:55, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, it's probably best to keep them the same, as been stated it's really no different than alternate forms like witch Rosalina. I just wish we could use the LM design for the main Artwork, especially since Tour seemingly gave him a "standardized" render for this design; ie, not one that's just promotional art for a Luigi's Mansion game. OrbicularCicada(talk) 24:18, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

Multiple games state the non-LM design is still the same King Boo from Luigi's Mansion. His design only changes to make him fit in better with the lighter-hearted Mario games. Also, it's possible that since his Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon crown enhances his abilities, that it also changes his appearance, as well. Same with his crown in the first and third Luigi's Mansion games. --PyroGothNerd (talk) 20:51, October 28, 2019 (EDT)

Keep in mind everybody though that smash has gotten things wrong such as claiming that Kaptain K Rool is King K Rool’s brother so I would say it’s still a possibility that they are re not the same character 35.136.185.103 (talk)

The infobox should use Luigi's Mansion artwork

Luigi's Mansion may be a spin-off from the main Mario games, but it is still King Boo's debut as well as the series in which he is a true core character, part of the main cast. It's not a main series but it's HIS main series, if you know what I mean. If anything the generic crown Boo design should be considered the spin-off material for him because of this. Yeah, it's more commonly used, but I think it's important to take the context of each appearance into account rather than just the raw numerical value. Even in the future, if he gets new artwork for Mario Party 42 or Mario Kart ∞ that uses the generic design, the most recent art of him from the Luigi's Mansion series should take priority over it.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by 178.155.205.151 (talk).

Seconded. TheDarkStar 08:49, November 3, 2019 (EST)

I think it would look much cooler too Mario Sakuraba (talk) 10:56, November 3, 2019 (EST)

The standard for infobox artwork is to use the character's most frequent appearance. It does not matter what the debut appearance is, whichever is the most detailed. If for some reason someone argued to use Daisy's N64 design because her dress had a cool petal design and her lack of crown made her stand out from Peach? No, we use the most standard appearance. If his Luigi's Mansion design becomes the new standard in future games, then it could change. But that is the standard on the Wiki. Same reason we try to avoid using "sports outfits" for characters, or, say, Rosalina's added star detailing from Super Smash Bros. They may be more interesting, but they aren't the standard appearance of that character. Now, whether there is a platform elsewhere for you to take this up with the policy-makers on the Wiki or not, I'm not sure. MarioComix (talk) 15:25, November 3, 2019 (EST)

Daisy's N64 design hasn't been used in 20 years. King Boo's later LM design was used 3 days ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:26, November 3, 2019 (EST)

Well, it's also the same reason we don't use Rosalina's render from Smash Bros. The design there is not as representative as her standard design. Or, as another example, Archivist Toadette's design instead of Toadette's standard design. MarioComix (talk) 18:03, November 3, 2019 (EST)

I disagree, the most standard character design should always be used as it is the best representation of that character. While the Luigi's Mansion series is King Boo's debut and indisputably his largest role in the Mario franchise, the design used in those games is nowhere near the standard representation of King Boo. The Luigi's Mansion design of King Boo has only physically appeared in 5 games, while at the time of writing this, his "generic" design is used for physical appearances in 20 games. To add to this, one of the games where King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design appears is Mario Kart Tour, where not only does it co-exist with his "generic" design, but is also specifically referred to as a variant design. As for considering the "generic" design "spin-off material", keep in mind that he appeared with this design in Super Mario 64 DS, and the platformers are generally considered the main series when it comes to the Mario franchise. If, going forward, King Boo dropped his "generic" design and started using his Luigi's Mansion design in other games, it would be a different situation, but that's not the case.

tl;dr Although King Boo's largest role in the franchise is definitely within the Luigi's Mansion games, he does not appear using that character design nearly often enough for it to be used as a representation of the character as a whole.

-- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 15:42, November 3, 2019 (EST)

Split

Can we split the pages into:

King Boo (Mario series)
King Boo (Luigi's Mansion series)
King Boo (Super Mario 64 DS)

That sounds more appropriate. Thanks. Bowser201 11:08, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

That's likely not going to happen due to the points established in the heavy amount of prior discussion on this matter—among them the fact that King Boo in LM is not necessarily a wholly different character from King Boo in the main series and spinoffs, making "appropriateness" a questionable criteria. You can read this talk page and the Big Boo talk page (along with the other King Boo article's talk page) and see for yourself. This sort of thing isn't done without a proposal, which ideally shouldn't go forward without thorough discussion first regardless. -- Lord G. matters. 11:20, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Lord G, while they may be the same character, they may be different universe-like. Also, this was only for admins. Stay out of this please. Bowser201 11:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

You can't demand someone "stay out" of something. Around here, "admin" means "can block people and delete pages." The only "continuity" this franchise has is when it wants to, so splitting entities for wholly arbitrary reasons is not the way to go. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:35, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Was going to say something similar but Doc beat me to it. Things like this have always been community decisions, not admin decisions. Anyway, there's nothing suggesting that these are different iterations of King Boo and they shouldn't have separate articles. I kind of get (but don't support) the rationale behind splitting King Boo in the Luigi's Mansion series, but I'm honestly stumped on why you think King Boo in 64 DS is a separate character altogether. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:38, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

And exactly why shouldn't I, or any other editor, have a say in this, especially considering you literally need a proposal to establish consensus for this kind of change and admins aren't just going to force something through without discussing it anyway? By posting on this talk page, you open it to discussion and thus possible dissent, because that's how consensus on a wiki works. -- Lord G. matters. 11:37, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Admin note: Everyone has a say in this. You can't tell people to stay out of something, and you also gave no implication that this was meant for a particular people.

Also admin note: No, I don't think this split is a good idea, for reasons above. It's not like Super Mario Sunshine's King Boo, which is a different character. All three of these examples are the same character with no form between them. There may be a case for Luigi's Mansion's King Boo, but it'd be a shaky one, so I don't know. 11:50, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

But isn't SM64DS' King Boo different? Bowser201 12:12, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

That was a case of a misnomer in the English versions, as indicated by the discussion I tried to point you towards - also the article itself. -- Lord G. matters. 12:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Okay. Bowser201 12:51, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

I would say that King Boo is intended to be the same entity, as indicated by the consistency of the Japanese name between appearances. But then Doc has me questioning about what constitutes a "character" now. MarioComix (talk) 14:55, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

King Boo's Voice Clips Stock Sound

So it's been thought that King Boo has been voiced by Toru Asakawa for quite a long while now, but it's apparently been discovered that his voice is just an edited stock sound from Sound Ideas - Series 4000 Hollywood Sound Effects Library? Here's a link the to source: https://soundideas.sourceaudio.com/#!details?id=7627435

And Here's a video that speeds up the full clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGBjtw2wdPs, It's definitely King Boo.

Soooo.. I guess he never had an official voice actor. Pretty surreal. I guess his "portrayal" and Toru Asakawa's pages should be updated. -OrbicularCicada (talk)

That's interesting... Now, that laugh isn't in every game, but I myself am not too sure what Toru Asakawa's portrayal is meant to be (just the laugh? King Boo's other voice effects?). MarioComix (talk) 20:48, April 3, 2021 (EDT)

I think the newer laugh that shows up in more recent games is just his old one but even more sped up, it seems it would be that way from this: (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/soundeffects/images/9/9b/Sound_Ideas%2C_CARTOON%2C_LAUGHTER_-_LOW%2C_THROATY_LAUGH%2C_HUMAN_01_%28King_Boo_Variant_2%29.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20210327033459)

So I guess its basically in every game he's in! Even weirder. But yes true, unless his other voice clips are just heavily edited versions of the laugh, they could be voiced by Toru. -OrbicularCicada (talk)