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Is it alright with you if we remove these from the lookalikes categories? {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 12:41, December 28, 2023 (EST) | Is it alright with you if we remove these from the lookalikes categories? {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 12:41, December 28, 2023 (EST) | ||
:I think all of those should be ommited from the lookalikes categories (just pointing out Belome is not a shapeshifter but creates clones of the playable characters to fight alongside him). {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:50, December 28, 2023 (EST) | :I think all of those should be ommited from the lookalikes categories (just pointing out Belome is not a shapeshifter but creates clones of the playable characters to fight alongside him). {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:50, December 28, 2023 (EST) | ||
::Oh, our bad! Admittedly, we're not ''too'' familiar with Belome's fight, so those just kinda melded in our brain with the 2,763 other redirects for bosses that are proper shapeshifters (cough cough [[Shadoo]]). <s>we also blame the between christmas-and-new years brainfog</s>. While we're here though, we should also probably ask about [[Cursed Mini Mario]], seeing as we forgot to bring him up initially and figure he's probably safe to remove if [[Gold Mini Mario]] also got the boot; after all, what makes him "Cursed" is the monkey robot, which um. Is not resembling Mario by any means. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 14:12, December 28, 2023 (EST) | |||
:::I removed Cursed Mini Mario from the category for you. You can thank me later. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 12:49, December 31, 2023 (EST) | |||
::::That one was from a game I know nothing about. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:12, December 31, 2023 (EST) | |||
:::::Heads up: Administrator Mario added [[Luigi]] back to [[:Category:Mario lookalikes]] with the reason that "[he] probably qualifies". Though I haven't mentioned it before, I agree with Camwoodstock that Luigi should be left out of that category. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 00:05, January 3, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Hi, I unknowingly added a few of these back to their categories, not realizing there was a proposal about this. Sorry about that. The discussion pages for the various lookalike categories were mostly empty and I only realized I had rolled back on previous users' edits when two of mine were tagged as manual reverts. I'm not very familiar with how proposals are done here so it took me a while to find this page. I'm also completely new to using talk pages, so you'll have to bear with me here. | |||
:Can someone direct me to the breakdown where all of this is explained? I think it would be good if the category pages themselves made it clear what exactly qualifies as a "lookalike". I don't really see the issue with a clone also being considered a lookalike, or with characters like Luigi, [[Wario]], [[Waluigi]], or the [[Koopa Zombie]]s being included, as the categories are quite small and don't seem likely to become overly cluttered to me. Also, to what extent can inanimate objects be considered lookalikes? [[:Category:Bowser lookalikes]] contains several statues, including ones that don't move at all, so should the [[Papercraft]] versions of characters from [[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam|Paper Jam]] count as well? | |||
:Category:Bowser lookalikes also includes [[False Bowser]] from [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]], so should the other Shadow Bug versions of characters from that game (Mario, Luigi, and Peach) also count? | |||
:It should also be noted that [[Shadoo]] isn't a shapeshifter, but an unseen character who creates clones for the player to fight. Don't know if they should be in [[:Category:Clones]] or if each of their page redirects (Dark Mario, Dark Peach, etc.) should be added to the category instead. [[User:TyGuy24|TyGuy24]] ([[User talk:TyGuy24|talk]]) 01:27, February 6, 2024 (EST) | |||
::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/64#Rework the "lookalikes" categories|This is the proposal in question]].{{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:48, February 6, 2024 (EST) | |||
::The proposal called for shapeshifters to be exempt and also to exclude Luigi, Wario and Waluigi. I'm not familiar with Super Smash Bros. Brawl at all but it does look like the False characters could qualify, along with the papercrafts. I may also need to give some thought to Shadoo's clones. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 06:03, February 6, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::Okay, thanks, I think that proposal cleared some stuff up for me. I went ahead and added the Papercrafts, as well as False Peach from Brawl. Both her and False Bowser appear in cutscenes and play a role in the story of Subspace Emissary to some extent. The rest of the False Characters (including False Mario, Luigi, and Donkey Kong) are fought near the end of the game, are only seen in gameplay, and look different from the False Characters that appear in earlier cutscenes. These False Characters are instances of clones that can look like (almost) anybody in the game, so I didn't add them to Mario's, [[:Category:Luigi lookalikes|Luigi's]], or [[:Category:Donkey Kong lookalikes|Donkey Kong's]] lookalike categories. | |||
:::Although Shadoo's clones can be considered an instance of "clones that can look like anybody", I'm not sure they should be removed from the lookalike categories. There's only four playable characters in the game, and the [[Cosmic Clone]]s as well as [[Cosmic Mario|Cosmic Mario/Luigi]] are both considered to be lookalikes, despite copying both playable characters. | |||
:::[[Bowser Jr.]] resembles [[Baby Bowser]] more than [[Koopa Kid]] does, so I think he should remain in Category:Bowser lookalikes. | |||
:::I'm considering editing the category pages to specify that "lookalikes" have to be intentionally and heavily designed after the characters which they resemble, and should include "doppelgangers" and "copies" of characters. Does that sound right to you? | |||
:::Also, something interesting to consider are Mario Bros-esque characters like [[Cork and Cask]], the [[Starshade Bros.]], the [[Hammerhead Bros.]], and the [[Big Massif|Massif]] [[Lil' Massif|Bros.]] Although they don't really fit into [[:Category:Mario lookalikes]] or Category:Luigi lookalikes individually (Cork, Sledge, General Starshade, and Big Massif don't look much like Mario on their own, while Cask, Mallet, Sergeant Starshade, and Lil' Massif also don't look much like Luigi), as pairs they are definitely still meant to resemble the Mario Bros. Maybe they have a place in the general [[:Category:Lookalikes|lookalikes category]]? [[User:TyGuy24|TyGuy24]] ([[User talk:TyGuy24|talk]]) 02:02, February 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Category:Thieves cleanup == | |||
There's been a lot of impetus to clean up categories lately, hasn't there? One I think could use a look at is [[:Category:Thieves]]. Right now, it's not in the greatest state. It's an odd mix of occupational thieves and villians who steal as part of their greater evil plans. Not to mention we have all seven Koopalings ''and'' the general [[Koopalings]] page in there — why not just include [[:Category:Koopalings]] as a subcategory? There was [[Category talk:Thieves|brief talk of cleanup from late 2017 through early 2018]], though no action was made on it. I agree with Doc von Schmeltwick's suggestion of trimming the definition to just chronic and/or occupational thieves, though. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 12:26, January 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Saw Antasma there almost immediately and yeah, this may need sorting out too. Best idea would be characters who commonly act as thieves like Croco, Popple and Ms Mowz, though I'm not sure how we are going to go about this. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:43, January 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
::Again, that's the definition I'm vouching for, but we'll need more feedback before we launch a proposal. I'll let Camwoodstock and Doc von Schmeltwick know. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 17:05, January 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::We can give it a quick look! But uh, should we put our feedback in the category's talkpage? That way this can hopefully be outside of a random user's talkpage for ease of finding it. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 19:14, January 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem. We're working with just one category and not five, after all. It'd make it easier for us to transition into a proposal, too. By the way, [[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick#Feedback for cleaning up Category:Thieves|Doc von Schmeltwick remains on board with trimming the category's definition]]. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 19:21, January 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::Camwoodstock's ''looooong'' dissection has been posted to [[Category talk:Thieves|the category talk page]]. Now it's time to move discussion over there. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 20:54, January 8, 2024 (EST) | |||
:I hate to repeat myself, but I'm waiting for your response to Camwoodstock's dissection on Category:Thieves. [[Category talk:Thieves|Here's the talk page.]] [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 14:34, January 11, 2024 (EST) | |||
::I haven't been paying attention to the discussion. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:41, January 11, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Elemental category stuff == | |||
Hey, I noticed you implementing that SMRPG category proposal, and that makes sense, but I feel like some of these removals feel a bit overcorrect-ish. I mean, the original elemental category proposal had an exception for stuff like Bowser being associated with fire due to his fire breath, but then you have [[Muckle]], which only attacks with ice, is resistant to ice, and drops an ice-related item, and it was removed from [[:Category:Ice creatures]]. Same with [[Bahamutt]] being removed from [[:Category:Fire creatures]]. I'm not sure how to end this comment, sorry, I guess, would it be okay to re-add those? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 14:28, January 15, 2024 (EST) | |||
:I didn't want to have anything that could be arbitrary about this (e.g if enemies had resistances or used a lot of those types of attacks), so I'd still rather have the categories ommited from those for the sake of caution. I left fire creatures on Czar Dragon since it is made of Lava Babbles. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:53, January 15, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Swallow![[User:NEMRISE1294|NEMRISE1294]] ([[User talk:NEMRISE1294|talk]]) 23:14, February 24, 2024 (EST) == | |||
What do you mean discussion is forum talk then?[[User:NEMRISE1294|NEMRISE1294]] ([[User talk:NEMRISE1294|talk]]) 23:14, February 24, 2024 (EST) | |||
:You were told already that talk pages are only for discussing article changes and your last comment confirmed that it was just casual talk about the subject, which is removed on sight. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:28, February 25, 2024 (EST) | |||
==Photos of the 3-4 errors from the Prima Guide== | |||
On the Fandom Mario Wiki, I found pictures showing the exit flag color error for World 3-4 in the Prima Guide. Here is the reference: [https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Flagpole] | |||
[[Special:Contributions/24.127.7.223|24.127.7.223]] 19:47, February 25, 2024 (EST) | |||
:World 3-4 of which game? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:40, February 25, 2024 (EST) | |||
::The New Super Mario Bros. Wii game.[[Special:Contributions/24.127.7.223|24.127.7.223]] 20:43, February 25, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::Did you see my request? It is [[World 3-4 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)|World 3-4]] from [[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]. This fandom wiki gave you the photos you need to show the flag color errors from the [[Prima Games]] guide. [[Special:Contributions/24.127.7.223|24.127.7.223]] 17:51, February 29, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::Are you asking me to upload the images? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:59, February 29, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::Yes, yes I am. Please. [[Special:Contributions/24.127.7.223|24.127.7.223]] 18:32, February 29, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Nice new name! == | |||
I really like the new username you've assumed there! Hell, it even matches your signature perfectly! --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:11, February 29, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Thank you for the nice words, I had wanted to change my name for a little while after a few occasions my name was taken out of context but just couldn't decide on another one until playing ''Yohane the Parhelion: Numazu in the Mirage'' and thought Nightwicked was a cool name. For my signature, I may replace Rindo with someone from ''Yohane'', but will still keep Rindo and Fret in my userpage. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:23, February 29, 2024 (EST) | |||
::Mama mia. Seems like a new Bowser Imma have to take care of. <span style="background-color:#ffe6e6"> [[File:SM64DS Mario Lives Icon.png]] It's me, '''[[User:Mario|<span style="color:#970000">Mario</span>]]'''! ([[User talk:Mario|<span style="color:#000dad;font-family:monospace">Talk</span>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Mario|<span style="color:#4c3e0a;font-family:monospace">Stalk</span>]])</span> 22:27, March 2, 2024 (EST) | |||
== New Soup redirects == | |||
I mean, since RelaxAlax started calling those games 'New Soup,' which was 6 or 7 years ago, a lot of people started calling those games that as well. So to me, it's not that farfetched to create those redirects. I'm sure a lot of people will use them, starting with myself. --[[User:Conradd|Conradd]] ([[User talk:Conradd|talk]]) 12:06, March 14, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:A few years ago there were redirects created for The Super Mario Bros, Super Show episodes with titles originating from the Wildbrain YouTube channel such as "Ahehehauhe", and many of those ended up getting deleted. We do not need redirects based on what some random YouTuber or internet personality calls them, I've certainly never heard of RelaxAlax nor seen anyone ever call New Super Mario Bros "New Soup". You should take a close look at [[MarioWiki:Redirects#Unnecessary redirects]]. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 12:12, March 14, 2024 (EDT) | |||
== Fandom template proposal == | |||
Fandom's interwiki link has been fixed one or more years ago. Just as I researched, <code><nowiki>[[wikia:c:spongebob:Bikini Bottom|Bikini Bottom]]</nowiki></code> takes you {{plain link|[https://spongebob.fandom.com/wiki/Bikini_Bottom here]}} By the way, there's a [[Template talk:Fandom#Decide whether to add the language parameter and/or change back to the interwiki link template|proposal on decisions to add the language parameters and/or change back to the interwiki]], and the deadline is tomorrow. Which option would you choose? {{User:GuntherBB/sig}} 14:17, March 22, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:I don't really care, so I'm not voting. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 15:50, March 22, 2024 (EDT) | |||
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