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== Split Sparky (''Donkey Kong'') from Wire Trap == | == Split Sparky (''Donkey Kong'') from Wire Trap == | ||
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The above proposal went with the decision to merge the (''Mario vs.'') ''Donkey Kong'' Sparky with the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' Wire Trap, but looking back, I believe there is ample reason to split further. While the name "Wire Trap" implies that they are objects that travel on wires, they are actually on ropes, which are thicker. Sparkies are electrical balls that generate from one side of the wire itself, move to the next, and disappear. Wire Traps, on the other hand, have a shell-like form, and while the red ones similarly exit and enter funnel-shaped objects at the ends of their rope, the blue ones bounce back and forth. Sparkies are fairly different from Sparks, which mostly circle around platforms, but they are still different enough from Wire Traps that sharing the same article also seems a bit forced in retrospect. Splitting will affect the wire and rope articles, as the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' ropes are currently considered wires. | The above proposal went with the decision to merge the (''Mario vs.'') ''Donkey Kong'' Sparky with the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' Wire Trap, but looking back, I believe there is ample reason to split further. While the name "Wire Trap" implies that they are objects that travel on wires, they are actually on ropes, which are thicker. Sparkies are electrical balls that generate from one side of the wire itself, move to the next, and disappear. Wire Traps, on the other hand, have a shell-like form, and while the red ones similarly exit and enter funnel-shaped objects at the ends of their rope, the blue ones bounce back and forth. Sparkies are fairly different from Sparks, which mostly circle around platforms, but they are still different enough from Wire Traps that sharing the same article also seems a bit forced in retrospect. Splitting will affect the wire and rope articles, as the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' ropes are currently considered wires. | ||
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#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Pro perposal. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Pro perposal. | ||
#{{User|GrainedCargo192}} Per proposal. | #{{User|GrainedCargo192}} Per proposal. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} [https://youtu.be/SR3qZlQHgss Per below.] | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} [https://youtu.be/SR3qZlQHgss Per below.] | ||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all. | #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|WeirdDave13}} Per all | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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:::::When you put it like that, it's certainly possible. Still, I'd say that the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' ropes are the direct predecessor to the horizontal objects that the rope article classifies as "tightropes" since they can be stood and walked on top of. And anyway, even though you make a good case for it, I think the proposal is still a fair one since fully splitting Sparky wasn't an option before and we can now reconfirm the consensus on it. You should oppose it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:32, 9 December 2018 (EST) | :::::When you put it like that, it's certainly possible. Still, I'd say that the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' ropes are the direct predecessor to the horizontal objects that the rope article classifies as "tightropes" since they can be stood and walked on top of. And anyway, even though you make a good case for it, I think the proposal is still a fair one since fully splitting Sparky wasn't an option before and we can now reconfirm the consensus on it. You should oppose it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:32, 9 December 2018 (EST) | ||
::::::I'd suggest just having "Rope (horizontal)" and "Rope (vertical)" pages, given "tightrope" is conjecture. The diagonal would go with horizontal due to function. On a related note, we still need articles for swinging vines and swings themselves. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:54, 9 December 2018 (EST) | ::::::I'd suggest just having "Rope (horizontal)" and "Rope (vertical)" pages, given "tightrope" is conjecture. The diagonal would go with horizontal due to function. On a related note, we still need articles for swinging vines and swings themselves. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:54, 9 December 2018 (EST) | ||
== Should this proposal really have failed? == | |||
I kinda regret from having opposed the split. I think they're different enough, and are not based off of each other. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:05, 26 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:The proposal failed because there was four more opposers than supporters. If you want to split them then you can make another proposal. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 13:13, 26 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::A proposal? I wouldn't recommand making another proposal about it. Not only will it not pass given the margin of the original, but i don't know much about them. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:18, 26 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:::I've played 100% through both DK94 and ''Sunshine'', and I can assure you they're the same thing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:02, 26 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::::I feel like a counterproposal is needed. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:29, March 30, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::I still don't think it will garner enough support. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 12:30, March 30, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::I wonder what would LinkTheLefty think about it now... --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:46, March 30, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::::While we have "evidences" that they are the same, it doesn't seal for everyone. Maybe something more significant? It is one particular issue i have. That says, i still wonder what does LinkTheLefty think about it... --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:02, March 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::::With current information, I think this can go either way, so I don't feel particularly strong about it one way or another. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:26, March 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::I feel strongly about the issue, but, we split Kaintesuru Hono from Roto-Disc first, then we see what to do about the Sparky. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:27, April 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::I feel strongly that this should stay put. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:28, April 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||