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 :You'd think so, but sometimes information is just assumed and then goes unnoticed until a proposal like this brings it to more people's attention, prompting a further dig into official sources. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:48, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
 It isn't directly called "Toad Town", but has there ever been an instance where the town surrounding or next to Peach's Castle wasn't generally an incarnation of Toad Town? The Japanese name of the Castle Gardens is merely the same as Peach's Castle, which is true of at least [[Toad Town#Names in other languages|two]] [[Toad Town#Mario .26 Luigi: Superstar Saga .2F Mario .26 Luigi: Superstar Saga .2B Bowser.27s Minions|appearances]]. Incidentally, the English name "Castle Gardens" may itself come from the internal name <tt>PeachCastleGardenPlanet</tt> (shortened to <tt>PeachCastlePlanet</tt> in the second game), referring to the castle and its environment, and the town is split between <tt>PeachCastleTownAfterAttack</tt> and <tt>PeachCastleTownBeforeAttack</tt> (in addition to the starting <tt>PeachCastleTownGate</tt>) - which happens to make this situation sound similar to ''[[Talk:Mushroom Kingdom#Super_Mario_RPG_location.28s.29|Super Mario RPG]]''. If anything, I think the Castle Gardens article could merge with Toad Town. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:23, August 26, 2020 (EDT)
-:The real problem in all of this is assuming continuity between the ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' series and the ''Super Mario'' series when said continuity isn’t even in the ''Super Mario'' series to begin with. Was the ''Super Mario Odyssey'' Peach’s Castle a reference to ''Super Mario 64''? Sure, and yet its surroundings were very different. And both games and ''Mario Kart 64'' (and 8) lacked a town around them. Assuming that these Peach Castle Garden are Toad Town requires assuming some canonicity so that the town near Peach’s Castle is always Toad Town. Either we turn the Toad Town page into a much less useful page about what is around Peach’s Castle or we assume canonicity despite our policy and say that Castle Gardens are Toad Town because it is usually done so in the RPGs. Both these choices are suboptimal at best, in my opinion.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 16:54, August 27, 2020 (EDT)
 :That seems very debatable to me. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
 ::Which part? If you mean [[Castle Gardens#Names in other languages|Castle Gardens]] possibly coming from the filename in localization, [[Wire Trap#Names in other languages|it]] [[Spiny Piranha Plant#Names in other languages|isn't]] [[Morty Mole#Trivia|unheard]] [[Special:Diff/2916911|of]]. If you mean about Peach's Castle having another town near it, I'm genuinely curious if that happened, since much like the name of [[Peach's Castle#Names in other languages|Peach's Castle]], [[Toad Town#Names in other languages|Toad Town]] has evolved over time. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:50, August 26, 2020 (EDT)
 :::I don't think there has been a differently-named town near Peach's Castle, but I mainly meant the part about merging Castle Gardens with this article. Another discussion would probably be needed for that. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
 ::::Yes, that will likely require a separate discussion. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:05, August 27, 2020 (EDT)
+:The real problem in all of this is assuming continuity between the ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' series and the ''Super Mario'' series when said continuity isn’t even in the ''Super Mario'' series to begin with. Was the ''Super Mario Odyssey'' Peach’s Castle a reference to ''Super Mario 64''? Sure, and yet its surroundings were very different. And both games and ''Mario Kart 64'' (and 8) lacked a town around them. Assuming that these Peach Castle Garden are Toad Town requires assuming some canonicity so that the town near Peach’s Castle is always Toad Town. Either we turn the Toad Town page into a much less useful page about what is around Peach’s Castle or we assume canonicity despite our policy and say that Castle Gardens are Toad Town because it is usually done so in the RPGs. Both these choices are suboptimal at best, in my opinion.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 16:54, August 27, 2020 (EDT)