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==What should this cover?==
==What should this cover?==
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Several enemies are listed here due to resembling both Shroobs and other Mario enemies, but in the game, it was solely used to describe Peach's Castle, ie a location. The only things outright being shown transformed onscreen are when NPCs are turned into [[Shroob Mushroom]]s, and Yoshis being put inside of Yoob Eggs, which are decidedly different from how things like [[Shroob Rex]] and [[Spiny Shroopa]] operate. Then there's the fact that [[Lakitufo]] and "Scoot Bloop" are on here, despite not even resembling Shroobs. What I'm getting at is this: there is nothing in the game saying '''any''' of these enemies are in a transformed state, and they aren't simply naturally-occurring counterparts from [[Planet Shroob]], similar to the counterparts of enemies found in the BeanBean Kingdom. Especially with Lakitufo, it's clearly affiliated with Shroobs but hasn't been "turned into" one. EDIT: Apparently Lakitufo is no longer on this list, but I'm pretty sure it's still on the [[Shroob]] page. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 18:36, 17 August 2017 (CT)
Several enemies are listed here due to resembling both Shroobs and other Mario enemies, but in the game, it was solely used to describe Peach's Castle, ie a location. The only things outright being shown transformed onscreen are when NPCs are turned into [[Shroob Mushroom]]s, and Yoshis being put inside of Yoob Eggs, which are decidedly different from how things like [[Shroob Rex]] and [[Spiny Shroopa]] operate. Then there's the fact that [[Lakitufo]] and "Scoot Bloop" are on here, despite not even resembling Shroobs. What I'm getting at is this: there is nothing in the game saying '''any''' of these enemies are in a transformed state, and they aren't simply naturally-occurring counterparts from [[Planet Shroob]], similar to the counterparts of enemies found in the BeanBean Kingdom. Especially with Lakitufo, it's clearly affiliated with Shroobs but hasn't been "turned into" one. EDIT: Apparently Lakitufo is no longer on this list, but I'm pretty sure it's still on the [[Shroob]] page. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 18:36, 17 August 2017 (CT)


l think it's more likely that the enemies were shroobified rather than being 'naturally occurring'. Although we know that Mushroom Kingdom enemies appear in space (Galaxy and Galaxy 2), the Mushroom Kingdom and Space counterparts appear to be nearly identical in most cases therefore, I think the partners in time enemies resembling shroobs have most likely been shroobified weather they were from Planet Shroob or not.  [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 11:54, 12 November 2017 (EST)
l think it's more likely that the enemies were shroobified rather than being 'naturally occurring'. Although we know that Mushroom Kingdom enemies appear in space (Galaxy and Galaxy 2), the Mushroom Kingdom and Space counterparts appear to be nearly identical in most cases therefore, I think the partners in time enemies resembling shroobs have most likely been shroobified weather they were from Planet Shroob or not.  [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 11:54, 12 November 2017 (EST)
:Since the idea that the listed enemies were mutated or transformed is speculative at best, this article should not cover them. So that leaves us with the process of transforming things into Shroob Mushrooms, which is redundant with the [[Shroob Mushroom]] article itself. So my answer is "redirect this thing and call it a day." {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:41, 12 November 2017 (EST)
:Since the idea that the listed enemies were mutated or transformed is speculative at best, this article should not cover them. So that leaves us with the process of transforming things into Shroob Mushrooms, which is redundant with the [[Shroob Mushroom]] article itself. So my answer is "redirect this thing and call it a day." {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:41, 12 November 2017 (EST)
==Merge this page to [[Shroob Mushroom]]==
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|10-0|merge}}
<s>As far as I can tell, this page's name is conjectural. After digging through the manual, the guide</s> (thank you, Alex95'''!'''), <s>and the raw dump of the game's script </s>(thank you, Mister Wu'''!'''), <s>the term doesn't appear ''anywhere''. "Shroobification", "shroobified", "shroobed", whatever, it's not there. A conjectural name doesn't necessarily mean that the page should be deleted, but it means that</s> '''EDIT:''' the term "Shroobified" ''does'' appear in-game, in a small line of text (thanks to Yoshi the SMM for the info!). However, this doesn't change how we're lumping together subjects that have no basis being together. As 7feetunder pointed out above, there is no indication that any of the Shroob enemies went through a "Shroobification" process (besides ''maybe'' [[Yoob]]), so it's speculative to include them here in the first place. At the same time, the only transformation process that we actually ''see'' is never elaborated upon; random characters are poofed into [[Shroob Mushroom]]s, and there's nothing more to it. Thus, literally any information about it would be covered on the page that I just linked to. Considering the tiny amount of salvageable info here, this page should be merged to Shroob Mushroom and not completely deleted (I'll also ask that this page remain as a redirect if only because [https://www.google.ca/search?q=shroobified a ''lot'' of places use that term]).
'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 24, 2018, 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Page has bugged me for a while, this is a nice solution to it
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Alex95}} - <s>Mister Wu gets an exclamation mark and I don't I see how it is</s> Per proposal.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per proposal.
#{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per proposal.
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Mister Wu}} Now that the text using the ''Shroobified'' term has been found, confirming that it refers to the characters who were turned into Shroob Mushrooms, I think this is the most appropriate thing to do.
====Oppose====
====Comments====
It wasn't found by a raw dump of the game script, yet I was able to find it from the information from a save album. Specifically from the save album before the final bosses. However, the rest of the points are valid. If this changes, I will vote for this. The merge would still be accepted. Either that or creating an article on Fawfulization. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 14:59, 10 February 2018 (EST)
:"Fawfulized" was only ever used in reference to the Sea Pipe Statue and robotic Peach Castle, neither of which display any Fawful-like traits like Fawful Guys do. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:11, 10 February 2018 (EST)
:Ah, I understand what happened. The file I had only contained the game's dialogue, and not the save album description. I edited the proposal to reflect this new info. Thank you! {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:37, 10 February 2018 (EST)
::I actually found the quote you're talking about: ''At last! Mario has all five Cobalt Star shards! Now you can enter Peach's Castle of the past from the third floor of the present-day Peach's Castle! You must hurry and save the Shroobified Toadbert and Kylie!'' From this text it's clear that ''Shroobified'' actually just means ''turned into a Shroob Mushroom'', so ultimately the proposal is correct.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:30, 22 February 2018 (EST)