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== ''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' Piranha Plant == | == ''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' Piranha Plant == | ||
Should the section about Piranha Plants in the ''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' games be moved to [[Piranha Plant (potted)]]? They are Piranha Plants in pots, and the "Piranha Plant (potted)" page covers any Piranha Plants in pots, including the ones in ''[[Mario Party 3]]''. Also, a picture of a Piranha Plant from ''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP DX]]'' is already on the Piranha Plant (potted) page. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 19:58, 29 March 2017 (EDT) | Should the section about Piranha Plants in the ''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' games be moved to [[Piranha Plant (potted)]]? They are Piranha Plants in pots, and the "Piranha Plant (potted)" page covers any Piranha Plants in pots, including the ones in ''[[Mario Party 3]]''. Also, a picture of a Piranha Plant from ''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP DX]]'' is already on the Piranha Plant (potted) page. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 19:58, 29 March 2017 (EDT) | ||
:Yes, I think so. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 16:28, 17 May 2017 (EDT) | :Yes, I think so. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 16:28, 17 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
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== This is the Ultimate == | == This is the Ultimate == | ||
So, palutena's guidance.....<br> | So, palutena's guidance.....<br> | ||
"Piranha Plants, your Fire Pirahna Plants, Ptooies, Nipper Plants, Nipper Spores, Munchers, Jumping Piranhas, Wild Ptooie Piranhas, Propeller Piranhas, Naval Piranhas, Chewies, Megasmilax, Piranha Pests, Piranha Sprouts, Frost Piranhas, Putrid Piranhas, Proto Piranhas, Piranhabons, Piranha Beans, Mom Piranhas, Small Piranhas, Elasto-Piranhas, Piranha Planets, Bungee Piranhas, Big Bungee Piranhas, Ghosts, Nipper Dandelions, Spiny Piranhas, Dino Piranhas, Fire Stalking Piranhas, Piranha Plorps, River Piranhas, Big Piranhas, Stalking Piranhas, Big Fire Piranhas, Prickly Piranhas, Peewee Piranhas, Inky Piranhas, Gold Piranhas, Bone Piranhas, Big Bone Piranhas, Piranha Pods, Piranha Creepers, Nipper Spore Patches, Paper Fire Piranhas, Poison Piranhas, Big Poison Piranhas, Upside-Down Piranhas, Petey Piranha, Paper Petey Piranha, Petea Piranha-"<br> | "Piranha Plants, your Fire Pirahna Plants, Ptooies, Nipper Plants, Nipper Spores, Munchers, Jumping Piranhas, Wild Ptooie Piranhas, Propeller Piranhas, Naval Piranhas, Chewies, Megasmilax, Piranha Pests, Piranha Sprouts, Frost Piranhas, Putrid Piranhas, Proto Piranhas, Piranhabons, Piranha Beans, Mom Piranhas, Small Piranhas, Elasto-Piranhas, Piranha Planets, Bungee Piranhas, Big Bungee Piranhas, Ghosts, Nipper Dandelions, Spiny Piranhas, Dino Piranhas, Fire Stalking Piranhas, Piranha Plorps, River Piranhas, Big Piranhas, Stalking Piranhas, Big Fire Piranhas, Prickly Piranhas, Peewee Piranhas, Inky Piranhas, Gold Piranhas, Bone Piranhas, Big Bone Piranhas, Piranha Pods, Piranha Creepers, Nipper Spore Patches, Paper Fire Piranhas, Poison Piranhas, Big Poison Piranhas, Upside-Down Piranhas, Petey Piranha, Paper Petey Piranha, Petea Piranha-"<br> | ||
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:::Fire Nipper Plant is a definitive case of citogenesis, checked the history. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:15, 26 February 2019 (EST) | :::Fire Nipper Plant is a definitive case of citogenesis, checked the history. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:15, 26 February 2019 (EST) | ||
::::...no? It's a very obvious name that matches up with the JP name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:24, 26 February 2019 (EST) | ::::...no? It's a very obvious name that matches up with the JP name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:24, 26 February 2019 (EST) | ||
:::::I agree, localizing Fire Puchi Pakkun to Fire Nipper Plant is a very straightforward translation, much more so than Watage Pakkun becoming Nipper Dandelion when a translater going by in-game text alone would reach Fluff Piranha (like with Chibi Pakkun and Small Piranha). Fire Nipper Plant was also changed earlier, whereas Nipper Dandelion may have been changed to Watage Pakkun too late since that seems to be about the right timeframe for voice recording. Then there's the question of why it would even | :::::I agree, localizing Fire Puchi Pakkun to Fire Nipper Plant is a very straightforward translation, much more so than Watage Pakkun becoming Nipper Dandelion when a translater going by in-game text alone would reach Fluff Piranha (like with Chibi Pakkun and Small Piranha). Fire Nipper Plant was also changed earlier, whereas Nipper Dandelion may have been changed to Watage Pakkun too late since that seems to be about the right timeframe for voice recording. Then there's the question of why it would even be left out of the English dub if they found a workable name in time. I say this particular case is coincidental. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:01, 4 March 2019 (EST) | ||
::::::What do we do about Sakasa Pakkun Flower? Should we split it or should it stay merged? Viridi mentions it separately from the Piranha Plant. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:22, 7 March 2019 (EST) | |||
:::::::It should stay merged, since other than this, the only time it's been distinguished is ''[[Super Mario Land]]'', and they act exactly the same, just facing a different direction. The upside-down Buzzy Beetles and Spinies are more behaviorally distinct than this. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:38, 8 March 2019 (EST) | |||
== Nonsensical sentence == | |||
"They also make the same sound as Petey Piranha gets hit by an item or falls down the kart when they get hit by an item." - Trivia section | |||
???? Huh? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 05:01, May 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==Fire-spitting Piranha Plants== | |||
There ought to be stricter consistency regarding fire-spitting Piranha Plants not directly identified as Fire Piranha Plant. Currently, the Fire Piranha Plant article includes the fire-spitter known as "Piranha Plant" in ''March of the Minis'' and ''Minis March Again!'' (known later in the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series as "Piranha with Fire" and then Fire Piranha Plant), but does not include the fire-spitter known as "Piranha Plant" in ''Dream Team'' and ''The Origami King''. I think it should be consistent across the board - all of these either belong in the Piranha Plant or Fire Piranha Plant article. Personally, I'd go with the latter since it seems pretty clear that "Fire" tends to be dropped when the normal variant doesn't appear in the same game, making them "Piranha Plants" in the general sense rather than specifically so. This is also applicable to Fire Nipper Plant and Fire P-Pakkun, especially the former as currently the ''Dream Team'' appearance is considered Fire Nipper Plant yet ''The Origami King'' appearance is considered regular Nipper Plant. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:11, July 20, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:I'm honestly thinking the former, for the same reason as chasy Bills in 3D games being on the main Bullet Bill page. It seems more like the DT enemy ''is'' based on Nipper Plants in general rather than an obscure one-time enemy in SMB3. I think we should reflect what the game itself considers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:00, July 20, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::On closer inspection, though, Bull's-Eye Bills are always visually distinct from Bullet Bills, whereas Fire Piranha Plants often look identical to Piranha Plants. Also, couldn't that approach be used to merge pre-''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' Missile/Bull's-Eye Bills into Bullet Bill, among others? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:47, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::You could say the same for Bouncing Bullet Bill, which in YNI even gets the SMW2 coloration of normal Bullet Bill, but is clearly based off the yellow bouncy one in that game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:27, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::Right, but I'm not sure I follow the logic completely. I'm saying that, by keeping fire-spitting Piranha Plants in the Piranha Plant article based on the name alone, wouldn't the door be open to do the same to pre-''NSMBW'' Missile Bills and the Bouncing Bullet Bill from ''Yoshi's Island'', or am I missing something? I thought you were in favor of having those articles as they stand now. Also, what about cases like ''Minis March Again!'', in which both types of Piranha Plants appear but the fire-spitter isn't named separately? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:55, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::::That's different. I'm more saying if generic Piranha Plants are shown spitting fire but always doing so in a game, it's more a normal Piranha Plant with the characteristics ''of'' a Fire Piranha Plant, not necessarily a Fire Piranha Plant itself. Think like how in Paper Mario, Spear Guys were shown dancing, but we don't consider them Dancing Spear Guys. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:03, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::::Oh, so you mean like [[Talk:Big Goomba|''Mario Kart 7'' Goomba]] (the wiki originally considered them Big Goombas, but they were changed to Goombas due to being the only size in the game and its internal name)? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:11, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::::::I suppose, though I feel the large size in that game was more for visibility than an actual characteristic-adoption. Normal Piranha Plants in MK games tend to be bigger than average too. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:32, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::::::I see. I still think attributes like size and movement are much more relative than fire breath, but if there are no other objections, I'll support doing things your way. One more question - in ''March of the Minis'', only the fire-spitting Piranha Plant appears without in-game name, albeit internally named after Piranha Plant. Would you consider it Piranha Plant or Fire Piranha Plant? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:15, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::While I do not have personal experience with that game, I'd currently lean on having it be on Fire Piranha Plant, since it's a behavior that is not present in all the game's Piranha Plants. I also feel the relativity of behaviors is also supported by Ultimate's Piranha Plant, since it has behavioral attributes of many types. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:53, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::Good point, I agree. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:06, July 23, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::::I'm fine with the approach of considering fire-spitters regular Piranha Plants if they're both called just "Piranha Plant" and they're the only type in a specific game. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 21:05, July 24, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::::I also agree. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 21:09, July 24, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== "Oviparity" == | |||
This has bugged me for a while, but I never saw Mom Piranha as anything more than a one-off gag, and certainly not a serious indicator that Piranha Plants in general hatch from eggs. The fact that Nipper Plants (who have actually been called "Baby Piranha Plants" on rare occasions) come from more plant-themed spores (or honestly, dandelion seeds) also shows this to not hold water, ''especially'' for the opening section. Anyone else in favor of removing this? (Addendum: [[Piranha Pod]]s also should be considered, as while they resemble Spiny Eggs, the name still suggests more of a seed.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:59, May 9, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:It seems like speculation to me, so yeah I don't mind removing it. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 19:10, May 9, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::It's not just Mom Piranha who displays oviparous traits; [[Dino Piranha]] and [[Peewee Piranha]] hatch from eggs. Piranha Plant oviparity is definitely a recurrent trait across games, though I don't find this information notable enough to be kept in the lede. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:53, May 9, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::I'd say those are more for the "dino" part, though, plus the whole "alien" thing. Also, the fact that Peewee can regenerate its shell casts some doubt on whether they're actually "hatching" to begin with. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:18, May 9, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::::I'm in favor of removing it. Those three are definitely not good evidence that Piranha Plants hatch from eggs, and eggs have other functions in ''Mario'' franchise besides hatching infants (fully grown Yoshis are found in eggs in ''SMW'' and ''ML:PiT'' because they were trapped in them; Yoshis turn things into eggs when they eat them; Yoshi gets into an egg and rolls around as a special move in some games; Mom Piranha is clearly not a newborn). {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:01, July 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== What type of Piranha Plant is ''LEGO City Undercover''s? == | |||
{{Talk}} | |||
I am putting this here as it involves the generic Piranha Plant species. In ''[[Wikipedia:LEGO City Undercover|LEGO City Undercover]]'', a Piranha Plant makes an appearance in the game, and it breathes [[Fireball|fire]]. Typically, this would mean it is a [[Fire Piranha Plant]]. However, from what I can tell if only one Piranha Plant makes an appearance in the game and it's just called a Piranha Plant, that makes it just a Piranha Plant and not a Fire Piranha Plant. In the [[Prima]] guide (page 284 at least, and I believe all instances of this subject are the same), it is called a Piranha Plant. The game never names the subject, and I am unaware of what the internal data says. Regardless, just because it's called a Piranha Plant in the Prima guide doesn't mean it's just a regular Piranha Plant. [[Talk:Crowber#Do_not_use_the_name_%22Crow%22_for_New_Super_Mario_Bros._2|Prima has been known for using generic]] [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Fish_Bone&type=revision&diff=3689438&oldid=3663969 or even using questionable terms]. Piranha Plant is just a general term to refer to any Piranha Plant, and I'm sure the guide uses it because the regular Piranha Plant's name is more well known. It's not just a reference to Fire Piranha Plants but rather, the species in general. | |||
I mean, if it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it is a duck. And unlike the ''Mario'' RPGs, it doesn't get any names in-game. [[User:Wikiboy10|Wikiboy10]] ([[User talk:Wikiboy10|talk]]) 10:16, September 12, 2022 (EDT) | |||
: I'd say just a regular Piranha Plant. After all, the Piranha Plants in Superstar Saga and Dream Team spat fireballs and were called Piranha Plants in game instead of Fire Piranha Plants. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:02, September 18, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::I'd also say to follow the guide for now, though I have had the thought in light of [[Talk:Fishin' Lakitu#(Partial) Undo|Fishin' Lakitu]] if this approach is really the optimal one. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:06, September 20, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::: Well, maybe. On the one hand, Fire Piranha Plants/Venus Fire Traps look like regular Piranha Plants in most appearances but on the other, Piranha Plants have been given the ability to spit fireballs without explicitly being called Fire Piranha Plants/Venus Fire Traps. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:56, September 26, 2022 (EDT) | |||