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With the Red POW Block becoming more common (going to appear in ''[[Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'', also appeared in ''[[Super Mario Maker 2]]'' and ''[[Super Mario 3D World]]''), I find it weird to not be its own page. I get the argument of it being just a variation, but there's tons of other pages that are also variations of others, and they only appear in one or two games (i.e. [[Fire Koopa Clown Car]], [[ON/OFF Trampoline]], [[Big Eep Cheep]], [[Spiked ? Block]], [[Flame thrower (Flame Chomp)]], [[Skeeter (New Super Mario Bros.)]], [[Gray P Switch]] and in the scheme of POW Blocks: [[Anywhere POW]], which was even discussed above). I think the Red POW Block behavior, with the examples I've shown, is different enough to make it its own page. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 16:30, September 9, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | With the Red POW Block becoming more common (going to appear in ''[[Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'', also appeared in ''[[Super Mario Maker 2]]'' and ''[[Super Mario 3D World]]''), I find it weird to not be its own page. I get the argument of it being just a variation, but there's tons of other pages that are also variations of others, and they only appear in one or two games (i.e. [[Fire Koopa Clown Car]], [[ON/OFF Trampoline]], [[Big Eep Cheep]], [[Spiked ? Block]], [[Flame thrower (Flame Chomp)]], [[Skeeter (New Super Mario Bros.)]], [[Gray P Switch]], [[Gold Goomba Tower|all]] [[Gold Mini Goomba|gold]] [[Gold Paragoomba|versions]] [[Gold Koopa Paratroopa|of]] [[Gold Big Boo|enemies]] and in the scheme of POW Blocks: [[Anywhere POW]], which was even discussed above). I think the Red POW Block behavior, with the examples I've shown, is different enough from the normal POW Block to make it its own page. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 16:30, September 9, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | ||
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: Well, they are indeed POW Blocks that are red, but they don't use the function from past games. The page says that these first appeared in ''New Super Mario Bros. 2''. I guess the page could have a section like '''Other Appearances''' (similar to [[Eep Cheep#Other appearances|Eep Cheep]]) with the SMB2 POW Block there. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 07:28, September 10, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | : Well, they are indeed POW Blocks that are red, but they don't use the function from past games. The page says that these first appeared in ''New Super Mario Bros. 2''. I guess the page could have a section like '''Other Appearances''' (similar to [[Eep Cheep#Other appearances|Eep Cheep]]) with the SMB2 POW Block there. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 07:28, September 10, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | ||
:: If we go this route, it'd probably be something like "''Although they function much like the normal blue POW blocks, the POW blocks in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' are colored red.''"? But honestly, we'd be tempted to hold a vote on what to do about that thing anyways--it's just kind of one of those weird edge-cases like the [[Gray P Switch]]. Still, no harm in splitting it off for the games where the red POW Blocks are notably different from the blue ones. <br><br>...Besides, it's not like this decision impacts the main POW Block article ''too'' much, seeing as even if we decide SMB2's POW Blocks are the debut of Red POW Blocks, ''[[Mario Bros.]]'' has them beat for the blue ones as-is. This literally only affects where we say when red ones debut, and looking through various ports of ''Mario Bros.''... You might have an argument--albeit a ''very'' shaky one--they debuted in some ports of the game, like the Atari 8-bit and Atari XEGS releases, which colored their POW Blocks a combination of red and some other color (red and green in the former and red and blue(!?) in the latter.) {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 13:05, September 11, 2023 (EDT) | :: If we go this route, it'd probably be something like "''Although they function much like the normal blue POW blocks, the POW blocks in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' are colored red.''"? But honestly, we'd be tempted to hold a vote on what to do about that thing anyways--it's just kind of one of those weird edge-cases like the [[Gray P Switch]]. Still, no harm in splitting it off for the games where the red POW Blocks are notably different from the blue ones. <br><br>...Besides, it's not like this decision impacts the main POW Block article ''too'' much, seeing as even if we decide SMB2's POW Blocks are the debut of Red POW Blocks, ''[[Mario Bros.]]'' has them beat for the blue ones as-is. This literally only affects where we say when red ones debut, and looking through various ports of ''Mario Bros.''... You might have an argument--albeit a ''very'' shaky one--they debuted in some ports of the game, like the Atari 8-bit and Atari XEGS releases, which colored their POW Blocks a combination of red and some other color (red and green in the former and red and blue(!?) in the latter.) {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 13:05, September 11, 2023 (EDT) | ||
::: I agree. What you said at the top reads well and it's easy to understand, because again, I think the article has to include the SMB2 recolored POW Block like the [[Gray P Switch]] article includes the SMB3 recolored P-Switch. But it shouldn't say it's the actual debut of the Red POW Block, as not even this article says that, it explicitly tells you it debuted in ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'', and tells explicitly what's different about the normal one. Sorry, but to me, that calls for a seperate page, especially when there's 4 more games that use it. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 15:39, September 11, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | |||
@[[User:Ray Trace|Ray Trace]] I can see the confusion, but that can be fixed by adding a section named "Other appearances" like I said above. By the way, this exact problem happens in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', where the [[Gray P Switch#Trivia|Gray P Switch]] acts like a normal P-Switch, it's just... gray. The confusion between the SMB2 red POW Block and the NSMB2 one is the exact same problem as this, so respectfully I disagree with it being a reason to not add the page. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 16:01, September 10, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | @[[User:Ray Trace|Ray Trace]] I can see the confusion, but that can be fixed by adding a section named "Other appearances" like I said above. By the way, this exact problem happens in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', where the [[Gray P Switch#Trivia|Gray P Switch]] acts like a normal P-Switch, it's just... gray. The confusion between the SMB2 red POW Block and the NSMB2 one is the exact same problem as this, so respectfully I disagree with it being a reason to not add the page. [[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 16:01, September 10, 2023 (EDT) Rodmjorgeh | ||
:Other appearances sections shouldn't be used for that per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57#Define_the_scope_of_.22Other_appearances.22_sections|this proposal]]. (Eep Cheep's also needs to be redone to comply with the proposal.) But it could probably be mentioned in the opening paragraph that regular POW Blocks have been red in other games. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:42, September 11, 2023 (EDT) | |||