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:::Yes, it was likely more a joke about his "nanny"-like role and appearance in that game than anything. Given the fact that the babies are not only there, but important to the plot, that being a different Magikoopa from the one in SMW2 seems highly unlikely. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:53, October 14, 2020 (EDT) | :::Yes, it was likely more a joke about his "nanny"-like role and appearance in that game than anything. Given the fact that the babies are not only there, but important to the plot, that being a different Magikoopa from the one in SMW2 seems highly unlikely. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:53, October 14, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::I did consider the fact that it could be out of ignorance, but at least from what I found searching on Twitter and Niconico, most Japanese fans seem to have taken that comment at face value. Anyway, I'll add it to the article but I won't make any conclusions one way or another. --[[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 22:58, October 20, 2020 (EDT) | ::I did consider the fact that it could be out of ignorance, but at least from what I found searching on Twitter and Niconico, most Japanese fans seem to have taken that comment at face value. Anyway, I'll add it to the article but I won't make any conclusions one way or another. --[[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 22:58, October 20, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::I know this is an old discussion and all, but I'd like to add that Kamek also uses the feminine pronoun "atashi" in Partners in Time, like he does in Dream Team, and I think also ends at least one sentence with "wa" (which I think is also a feminine thing, not sure, I don't speak the language), so I guess the Mario & Luigi writers probably thought of Kamek as female. In most games he uses "watashi" instead though. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:48, December 4, 2023 (EST) | |||
::::Also worth noting is that, similar to Wizakoopa, the obviously-female Kammy is essentially an early attempt at turning Kamek into a specific character, so they may have taken that from her. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:31, December 4, 2023 (EST) | |||
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== Biological father? == | == Biological father? == | ||
I truly believe Kamek is Bowser's biolgical father. If you use Mallow's psychopath on Kamek (you have to have Bowser in your party here) he'll say: "That's... my son?!" Is this true, or is Nintendo just trolling us? | I truly believe Kamek is Bowser's biolgical father. If you use Mallow's psychopath on Kamek (you have to have Bowser in your party here) he'll say: "That's... my son?!" Is this true, or is Nintendo just trolling us? [[Jackjolt1]] | ||
:#That's [[Wizakoopa]]. | :#That's [[Wizakoopa]]. | ||
:#You don't need to have Bowser in your party. | :#You don't need to have Bowser in your party. | ||
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::#Yes you do. TheGamer says otherwise. | ::#Yes you do. TheGamer says otherwise. | ||
::#Same meaning. | ::#Same meaning. | ||
::#Source? | ::#Source? [[Jackjolt1]] | ||
:::OK, first off, who in the ever-loving HECK is "TheGamer" and who cares what they think? My "source" here is actually having played the game myself and seen numerous thoughts in-person, thank you very much. Along with [https://legendsoflocalization.com/the-pop-culture-obsessed-monsters-in-japanese-super-mario-rpg/ Legends of Localization] here, which is an actual ''credible'' source, not some random YouTuber or whatever. Anyways, Magikoopa is more of an attendant, like Toadsworth is to Peach. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:03, November 26, 2023 (EST) | :::OK, first off, who in the ever-loving HECK is "TheGamer" and who cares what they think? My "source" here is actually having played the game myself and seen numerous thoughts in-person, thank you very much. Along with [https://legendsoflocalization.com/the-pop-culture-obsessed-monsters-in-japanese-super-mario-rpg/ Legends of Localization] here, which is an actual ''credible'' source, not some random YouTuber or whatever. Anyways, Magikoopa is more of an attendant, like Toadsworth is to Peach. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:03, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ||
::::Apologies on my behalf if i'm butting in, but "child" is non-specific. It doesn't alude to who the offspring belongs to/its relationship, unlike "son". --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:08, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ::::Apologies on my behalf if i'm butting in, but "child" is non-specific. It doesn't alude to who the offspring belongs to/its relationship, unlike "son". --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:08, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ||
:::::I can also clarify from playing the game that it doesn't matter if Bowser is in the party or not, the thought quote is still exactly the same regardless. TheGamer (whoever that is) is the one who is wrong about that. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 04:43, November 26, 2023 (EST) | :::::I can also clarify from playing the game that it doesn't matter if Bowser is in the party or not, the thought quote is still exactly the same regardless. TheGamer (whoever that is) is the one who is wrong about that. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 04:43, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ||
::::::Addendum: I agree with Doc and Swallow about this The"Gamer" guy' He's just a rando, not an expert. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:35, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ::::::Addendum: I agree with Doc and Swallow about this The"Gamer" guy' He's just a rando, not an expert. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:35, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ||
:::::::There's also a lot of information kept ambiguous about this relationship. Outside of what is arguably a translation mishap, Bowser boy has never really directly referred to Kamek man as dad, or Kamek man to Bowser boy as child. Also, this discussion brings up "biological" father which, from semantics alone...... would be heavily disputed. {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:58, November 26, 2023 (EST) | :::::::There's also a lot of information kept ambiguous about this relationship. Outside of what is arguably a translation mishap, Bowser boy has never really directly referred to Kamek man as dad, or Kamek man to Bowser boy as child. Also, this discussion brings up "biological" father which, from semantics alone...... would be heavily disputed. {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:58, November 26, 2023 (EST) | ||
:::::::: TheGamer is a news site for video games. It's a credible source. Look it up. FYI I believe them.--[[Jackjolt1]] | |||
:::::::::Well in this case, they're not a credible source. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 15:06, November 26, 2023 (EST) | |||
::::::::::Well then what do we think who is Bowser's biological dad? {{unsigned|Jackjolt1}} | |||
:::::::::::Why does that need answering? You might as well ask, who is Kamek's father? Who is Toadette's mother? Who is Waluigi's grandma? It really doesn't matter because they're not mentioned. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 15:17, November 26, 2023 (EST) | |||
::::::::::::Jackjolt1: Read carefully: please sign the end of your comments with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. Copy this, or punch four out in the keyboard ([https://howtotypeanything.com/tilde-symbol-keyboard/ such as described here]). Place your comments ''after'' everyone else's, and use the preview function to minimize the amount of edits you make to a single page. | |||
::::::::::::Also, adding on to what Blinker said: we don't have much information to glean off, and discussing who Bowser's dad might be without official sources or relation to the article itself may veer into forum talk, which we don't really allow in these pages. Otherwise, use our [https://www.marioboards.com/ forums] or [[MarioWiki:Discord servers|Discord server]] to chat about this. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:17, November 26, 2023 (EST) | |||
:::::::::::::For what it's worth, some early Western material did mention [[List of implied characters#Bowser's father|Bowser's father]]. But he was never mentioned outside of those as far as I'm aware. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:25, November 26, 2023 (EST) | |||
::::::::::::::Wait did you play the Switch or SNES version? {{unsigned|Jackjolt1}} | |||
:::::::::::::::Jackjolt1 again: '''<span style="color:red">Read carefully: please sign the end of your comments with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>.''' Copy this, or punch four out in the keyboard ([https://howtotypeanything.com/tilde-symbol-keyboard/ such as described here]).</span> {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:03, November 29, 2023 (EST) | |||
== Sticker Star == | |||
While I am tempted to modify this sentence "Kamek's reaction to meeting Mario in Paper Mario: Sticker Star when introduced implies that he never met him before the events of the game." by adding "However, this would be contradicted by Paper Mario: Color Splash and Paper Mario: The Origami King where Kamek does say that he's face off against Mario many times", what does he say in the Japanese version? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 10:28, January 6, 2024 (EST) | |||