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==Split off each subtype of goop into its own article== | ==Split off each subtype of goop into its own article== | ||
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Each subtype of goop has a unique name and unique properties, some of them quite drastically different from | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-2-0-0|Split subtypes}} | ||
Each subtype of goop has a unique name and unique properties, some of them quite drastically different from regular goop. While they are all clearly related, they are not really any more so related than something like a [[Koopa Paratroopa]] is to a [[Koopa Troopa]], or a [[Spiky Goomba]] to a [[Goomba]]. The sections on the current article for each of the subtypes could each easily carry their own articles as they are already written, and the current structure of the page feels a bit like a strange disambiguation article. | |||
My preferred option would be to keep the "regular goop" section as the main article, as well as non-''[[Super Mario Sunshine]]'' appearances that don't clearly fit into one of the subtypes ( | My preferred option would be to keep the "regular goop" section as the main article, as well as non-''[[Super Mario Sunshine]]'' appearances that don't clearly fit into one of the subtypes (few if any of goop's other appearances have involved these subtypes, to my knowledge, other than graffiti in Bowser’s Fury as mentioned by Arend in their vote below). I've also included options for keeping regular goop, electric goop, and burning goop (the three most functionally similar varieties) merged, and for splitting every type of goop, including the standard type, keeping the current article only as a disambiguation page. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Pseudo}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Pseudo}}<br> | ||
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#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} While I initially thought ''all'' types would be a bit excessive, the fact that many of them visually look different and act different convinced me. Especially comparing the Orange Juice Generator to just about any other type. So per proposal. | #{{User|Tails777}} While I initially thought ''all'' types would be a bit excessive, the fact that many of them visually look different and act different convinced me. Especially comparing the Orange Juice Generator to just about any other type. So per proposal. | ||
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Arend}} Makes the most sense to me (also, I take it that the Graffiti from ''Bowser's Fury'' will be moved to the eventual Graffiti article, while the splotchy goop from the same game either stays here or gets its own article) | |||
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} I've been confused several times by this setup. Каждый вид слизи должен получить свой артикул. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Je suis d'accord! Per all. | |||
#{{User|ExoRosalina}} Per this option. | |||
#{{User|Mushroom Head}} There are too many goop types, it's confusing. | |||
<s>#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Eh, I should probably mark this down as my second option.</s> On second thought, I think the distinction between goop and all the other stuff in the article is the most valuable thing, and this option would blur that a bit, so I'd really rather have option 2. | |||
===Split all except regular goop, electric goop, and burning goop=== | ===Split all except regular goop, electric goop, and burning goop=== | ||
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} This proposal completely threw me for a loop because when I came here from the proposal page, I didn't remember how much stuff this article had on it. I'd never call anything in ''Sunshine'' "goop" except for the substance covering the ground that you wash off with FLUDD, so I think that's the only stuff that should be in this article. As for why this option: I've never really thought of electric and burning goop as their own thing, considering that there are already three different regular goops. They seem more like special variants than distinct substances. | |||
#{{User|Pseudo}} Secondary choice. | |||
===Split every type of goop (including regular goop), leaving Goop as a disambiguation page=== | ===Split every type of goop (including regular goop), leaving Goop as a disambiguation page=== | ||
===Do not split=== | ===Do not split=== | ||
===Comments=== | |||
Another thing: the Rainbow M section is appended with an indication that the main article is [[Level Gate]]. Perhaps the Rainbow M information should be moved there? The Level Gate article is very short (''much'' shorter than the Rainbow M section on this page, in fact), and having two articles about the same thing is kinda redundant? It'd be similar to how [[Talk:Shine Monument#Merge to Shine Gate|we merged the Shine Monument to the Shine Gate a while ago]], except maybe "Level Gate" could be renamed to "Rainbow M" since "Level Gate" is kind of a generic term. {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:18, July 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
: This makes sense to me to do if the proposal passes, particularly since the non-Rainbow M Level Gates seem to be made of the same kind of goop/graffiti as the Rainbow Ms. Moving the Bowser’s Fury graffiti to the eventual graffiti article as mentioned in your vote also makes sense to do. [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]] ([[User talk:Pseudo|talk]]) 15:41, July 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
: To add on to this, I think that the merged Level Gate/Rainbow M article should be titled Level Gate, because the entrances to Sirena Beach and Pianta Village are Level Gates, but not Rainbow Ms, whereas there are no non-Level Gate Rainbow Ms. [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]] ([[User talk:Pseudo|talk]]) 15:50, July 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::I dunno... we also have an article for the [[Painting]]s in ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', which are pretty much Level Gates in of itself, but there's also a handful of "level gates" ins SM64 that aren't paintings (an empty wall leading to [[Snowman's Land]], a trap door leading to [[Bowser in the Dark World]], some kind of pool-like portal on the floor leading to [[Hazy Maze Cave]], and the little house-cage thing a Boo carries leading to [[Big Boo's Haunt]], to name a few). We already have a main article for the SM64 "level gates" in the Painting article (even with it being expanded to include other games), and no one had considered before that non-painting level gates in SM64 were important enough for its own article.<br>I'm pretty sure that we only have a Level Gate article because it's a catch-all term for various level portals, only mentioned in BradyGames's ''Super Mario Sunshine'' guide; no other guide seems to use the term. This still makes me think that "Rainbow M" should be the main name because, again, "Level Gate" is a generic term ("Rainbow M" also comes from the Player's Guide, making it probably the closest to an official Nintendo-given name), and we haven't given this privilege to SM64's non-painting entrances at all. Aside from the Rainbow Ms, the only other "Level Gates" in ''Sunshine'' are a [[cannon]], staring at the sun, and red [[Warp Pipe]]s (and I guess a hole under the bridge for the Pachinko secret level). We already have articles for cannons and Warp Pipes, so we certainly don't need an article that already describes these things again, and things like staring at the sun or finding a hole under the bridge are very unique circumstances that might as well be described on their respective levels (much like the cage thing that grants access to Big Boo's Haunt in SM64). Plus, [[Delfino Plaza]] doesn't mention Level Gates anywhere, but it does mention Rainbow Ms, Warp Pipes and the cannon.<br>In short, I still think the merged article should be named "Rainbow M", and even though Sirena Beach and Pianta Village's Level Gates aren't Rainbow Ms, they ''are'' [[Warp Pipe]]s and don't need to be covered on a Rainbow M article beyond a passing mention. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:03, July 18, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::: That's fair enough, Rainbow M does seem like a better article title in that case. [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]] ([[User talk:Pseudo|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2023 (EDT) | |||
I created a draft/mock-up of the final layout of the pages based on the split. Have a look here, and suggest any changes or additions in a reply to this comment: | |||
[[User:Pseudo/Split_goop_article_drafts]] (also please note that all templates are intentionally broken since userspace pages are not allowed to include them) [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]] ([[User talk:Pseudo|talk]]) 07:23, July 23, 2023 (EDT) | |||
==Proposal: move Generator information to the Proto Piranha article== | |||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-0}} | |||
Might as well throw another TPP on the pile. | |||
My reasoning's pretty simple. Generators are part of [[Proto Piranha]]s. Every Proto Piranha comes out of a Generator and every Generator has a Proto Piranha in it. As such, I think it makes sense for the information on them to be there instead of here. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Ahemtoday}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' December 29, 2023, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Support=== | |||
#{{user|Ahemtoday}} I mean, it's my own proposal. | |||
#{{user|Super Game Gear}} Per proposer. | |||
#{{User|Pseudo}} Fully in agreement that this should either have its own article or be part of Proto Piranha. | |||
#{{User|Biggestman}} per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | |||
===Oppose=== | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||