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 == Possible conflict ==
-"Despite looking like Mushrooms, Goombas were based off chestnuts. This is most evident with the Goombas seen in Super Mario World." Yet we link to an article where Toshihiko Nakago specifically says they're based off shiitake mushrooms. Is it possible they're just named after chestnuts?{{User:Mason/sig}}
+"Despite looking like Mushrooms, Goombas were based off chestnuts. This is most evident with the Goombas seen in Super Mario World." Yet we link to an article where Toshihiko Nakago specifically says they're based off shiitake mushrooms. Is it possible they're just named after chestnuts?{{User:Puddin/sig}}
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 == Crinkle Goomba ==
-{{talk}}
 Should a separate article be created for the Paper Goomba who appears as an anti-hero throughout ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]''? His role and personality I think merit him a separate article. Even if he isn't split, this article is lacking in information about him.<br>
 {{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 18:52, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
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 :::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 15:48, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
 ::::[[MarioWiki:Conjectural names]] says it's perfectly fine. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
+:::::Created. I placed him in the Bosses category, due to him being the leader of the Super Goomba Super Wheel. I also realized that he, despite what some articles say, does ''not'' pilot the Megacrinkle Goomba Papercraft. In the dungeon, he says ''"It's me! The Goomba you battled '''twice''' back in Sunbeam Plains!"'' That's the first battle of the game and the stack boss. The Papercraft would be a third fight. Also, we need an image for his infobox. Should I just use the sprite for a generic Paper Goomba? It would be nice to have one that shows his crease.
+:::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 16:58, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
+But wasn't he talking to Paper Mario? He only fought Paper Mario twice [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 21:52, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
+== Swim Ring and Skating variants ==
+Apparently, the encyclopedia treats then as separate species from the normal Goomba. うきわクリボー Ukiwa Kuribo, and スケートクリボー Skate Kuribo. Should these be split? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:04, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
+:I'm not really convinced these should be split. We don't split Goombas when they wear Goomba's Shoes. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:01, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
+::[[Talk:Goomba's Shoe#Should we make a separate article for "Shoe Goomba"?|There's talk to]], and in that case it's an actual in-game name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:15, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
+:::The Prima guide mostly uses generic/overly-descriptive names for both. However, at one point the Goombas with floaties ''are'' known as "inner tube Goombas". {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:47, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
+:: You should, since [[Super Mario (form)|Super Mario]] is separate from [[Small Mario]], shoes are power-ups, and [[Cat Goomba]] exists. It's better for consistency in my opinion. [[User:B700465189a9|B700465189a9]] ([[User talk:B700465189a9|talk]]) 10:46, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+:::They need split! I will make a proposal for it! Since this is a back and forth! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 11:06, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+:::There's a difference between forms of characters/enemies, and just them using different items. Contrary to your point, we don't have an article for Mario while he's wearing the Goomba's Shoe. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:30, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+I actually disagree. But your move. I'm not gonna get mad about it {{User:MediaVideoEditor856/sig}}
+::::They are going back and forth and we are not getting anywhere so it is up to the admins... {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 11:19, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::Well anyway... I think they should be split but keep this page as a main hub! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 13:45, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+::::::@Waluigi Time, then what do you think about the current treatment of the Boo Buddy formations, and the potential Shoe Goomba split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:43, May 7, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::And, what do you think about [[Lakitu in a Pipe]]? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:27, May 8, 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::I thought a bit about it. Maybe it is best to wait Super Mario Maker 2 to see if they are introduced there? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:08, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::The problem is that they are named in the english encyclopedia, which we can't cite. This is why i'd prefer hold off until Super Mario Maker 2. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:36, May 13, 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::Well, since they aren't in Super Mario Maker 2, what are we gonna do to them? We split off Shoe Goomba, and now this should be ready to be split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:20, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Let's have consensus first. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:25, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
+==Talk==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|cancelled|<b>I should wait</b>}}
+===Split Dem Goombas===
+So up there ^ they are going back and forth and we are getting nowhere so this is here to help resolve the issue!
+'''Proposer''': {{User|HEROMARIO}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': 4/27/19 at 9:30 A.M.
+====Do Nothing====
+====Split Skating and swiming goombas and delete them off of here====
+====Turn this page into a disambuligation page and make a page for everything====
+====Make a page for everything but keep this as a main hub====
+#{{User|HEROMARIO}}: This seems to be the best one!
+====Comments====
+Ummm... Shouldn't we have waited for more agreements to be made before making a proposals? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:55, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+:Maybe but up there is just a argument and it will turn into a <b>Argumentative full out WAR ZONE!!!</b> so I am fixing it {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 11:57, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+::IMO, it should be "Split all", "Just split the Ice Skate variant", "Just split the swim-ring variant", and "Don't split anything". --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:00, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+You ''really'' need to let discussions play out instead of trying to rush proposals. The discussion's only been going for about a day, only a few users have given their opinion, and there's no argument whatsoever. Keep in mind that proposals aren't always necessary; for example, the suggested Flutter/Wiggler merge, which was resolved without the need for a proposal as a result of overwhelming opposition towards the idea. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:24, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+::::You are right! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 13:43, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
+I think that since the goombas act and look different, and have different names, they should be split, into both the tube-boy goombas and the skate-boy goombas. -Yeetus
+== Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants from this article ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-0|split}}
+Regarding the above discussion, it's about those in Super Mario 3D World. They have different Japanese names, and functions. One is a chillin' Goomba on a spiked white swim-ring with red stripes, and the other is on an [[Ice Skate]]. They're clearly subspecies, and ''not'' just Goomba wearing a swim-ring and/or an Ice Skate. Depending on the consensus, i will vote for support if it will pass. They are named in the encyclopedia: Skate Goomba and Innertube Goomba, but since we can't cite the encyclopedia, we'd have to use identifiers. For consistency with [[Goomba's Shoe]] and [[Shoe Goomba]]. Additionally, if this proposal fails, we'll have to revisit the Goomba's Shoe and Shoe Goomba for consistency.
+'''Proposer:'''{{User|FanOfYoshi}}<br>
+'''Deadline:''' August, 17, 2019, 23:59 GMT
+===Support===
+#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|TheDarkStar}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Per proposal. Since [[Shoe Goomba]] is split, this would add more consistency.
+#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} I'm inclined to support my own proposal, since no one else has voted yet.
+#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
+===Oppose===
+===Comments===
+They were just referred to as Goombas in the Prima guide. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:21, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
+:Additionally, are there a few instances of Skate Goombas being apart from the Ice Skate, so that they don't get merged with the Ice Skate? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:23, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
+::For future reference, the Swim Ring ones's Japanese name is Ukiwa Kuribo, while the Ice Skate ones's Japanese name is Skate Kuribo. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:16, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
+:::Do the Swim Ring one have an attack and/or can be woke up? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 15:06, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
+::::They wake up when the player gets close, and swim toward them. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 17:03, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::I see. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 16:20, August 6, 2019 (EDT)
+== Etymology ==
+In the etymology section, it states that they are named after chestnuts because they "look more like chestnuts than shitake mushrooms." I think it's more likely just to be a reference to their color. There is a type of brown mushroom called Chestnut Mushrooms that look closer in shape to Goombas than the wide, flat tops of a shitake. They are called "kuribo kinoko" in Japanese, and are cultivated and eaten in Japan. --[[Special:Contributions/157.21.14.65|157.21.14.65]] 12:50, September 2, 2021 (EDT)
+== Are Goombas Mushrooms? ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|no quorum|0-0}}
+As I know from a fan base, Goombas are like mutant mushrooms. This makes me think that Goombas are Mushrooms. I want to know if this is true, because there were no instances in which any Goomba is called a Mushroom on purpose. I am holding a debate to decide whether or not this article should state that goombas are related to Mushrooms. Some reasons are:
+* Goombas look like mushrooms with feet.
+* Mushrooms have a round shape, like Goombas.
+* [[Koopa Troopa]]s can be called turtles because they look like turtles.
+* Only [[Rotten Mushroom]]s and [[Zombie Mushroom]]s are technically mutant mushrooms, and it’s almost Halloween, so why not Goombas?
+'''Proposer:''' [[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]])<br>
+'''Deadline:''' October 22, 2021, 23:59 GMT
+=== Support ===
+=== Oppose ===
+=== Comments ===
+…Why does this need a proposal?
+Why is the deadline in the Comments section?
+What exactly do those points mean?
+My head hurts from looking at this. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 17:05, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:The article already says that Goombas resemble Shiitake mushrooms, which I think is good enough. This proposal honestly doesn't make much sense to me. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:28, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+::I wanted to see if Goombas can be considered mushrooms, for I was going to make a Halloween picture of a Goomba.
+—-[[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]]) 18:44, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Now I'm even more confused. When you say "mushroom," do you mean the generic group of organisms or the item? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:56, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+::::The item
+—-[[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]]) 18:59, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Proposals are not the sort of matter to help decide on non-wiki-related stuff. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 19:03, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::'''''Technically''''' speaking, the original sprite of Goomba in SMB is a quick edit of the item's sprite they made when they decided Troopas were too complex for a "most basic" enemy. That's pretty much the only link, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:12, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
+== Cursed Goomba? ==
+I heard of the cursed goomba meme on YouTube. This is a gif that shows it.
+[[File:Cursed Goomba.gif|150px]]
+Should this be added to the article? I personally don’t think so but I want to know what you think. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
+:...No, it's a meme, it's not from a Mario game. So no. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 20:13, November 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::Fan content doesn't belong here. If anything, it would be covered on [[List of Mario references on the Internet]], but it doesn't seem very noteworthy. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:14, November 4, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Well… I could make a section about the YouTuber and this goomba in the Mario References on the internet page, under YouTube, but I don’t know if it is acceptable. Is it? —-{{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}} 10:27, November 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::The internet is filled to the brim with this sort of thing, so I don't think it should be mentioned there either. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 19:15, November 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::I see… thanks for your time. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
+::::::One more thing: could I just add it to the article with a simple summary? I need to clear my amount of personal images and I don’t want to delete any. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
+:::::::You've already been told it's not worth covering on either article, so no. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:02, November 18, 2021 (EST)
+== Goomba Variant/Relative Ontological Issue ==
+There seems to be a sort of inconsistency/irrationality to the way the wiki classifies species that are similar to and/or derived from goombas. I find it very strange that beanies and shrooblets are classified as being "variants" of goombas (despite not being chestnut/mushrooms physically and instead being beans & aliens respectively), while galoombas (which were retroactively renamed and deemed distinct and were originally just the goombas of SMW) are considered to be mere "relatives" of goombas. The principle I see cited in most of these discussions pertaining to these sort of classifications (for example rocky wrenches being either koopas or monty moles) is that if an enemy/species is spiritually/conceptually derived from a more established and older one, then the former can be considered to be a variant of the latter. If this were consistently applied, galoombas, strollin' stus, and wanderin' gooms should definitely be considered to be types of goombas. {{unsigned|Ladishchap}}
+:The reason Galoomba is only a relative and not a variant is because newer games have explicitly stated they're two different-yet-related things ([https://www.mariowiki.com/Galoomba#Mario_Party:_Star_Rush_2 "A Goomba-like foe that is not a Goomba."]). Strollin' Stu is more of a conceptual derivative of Goomba via things like Kug, so I'd agree to consider that a variant. Wanderin' Goom I think is best left as is, as it looks more like a Galoomba and doesn't exactly function like either (as in it doesn't attack and gets defeated in one hit). And we considered [[Shrooblet]] to be a goomba because...what else could it possibly be other than a shroobified goomba? Even if it's not exactly a brown mushroom with dark brown shoes, [[Porcupuffer|enemies don't]] [[Octoomba|always have]] [[Lantern Ghost|to be]] [[Fishin' Boo|the same species]] [[Piranha Sprout|or have]] [[Cataquack|similar designs]] to be variants or relatives. But Galoomba was explicitly stated to not be a goomba in later games, so it's not a goomba variant but rather a relative. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 08:54, May 13, 2022 (EDT)
+::Does "A is a variant of B" mean "A is based on B" or "A is a B"? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 18:30, May 13, 2022 (EDT)
+:::Both. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 18:36, May 13, 2022 (EDT)
+== New Goomba voices in Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope? ==
+This might be a goofy question, but is this the first Mario game to have new voices for Goombas? I don't recall any Mario game that I’ve played that had these voices for Goombas. They don’t sound like they did in Mario Party 8, for example. If this is new for them, should it be mentioned on the article? [[User:Mason Popovich]] December 15, 2022. 17:05 (EST)
+:This is the only time I've heard these voice clips (I have no idea how they sound in Mario Party 8), so I think it's worth mentioning in the section that Goombas have new voice clips for this game. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:20, December 15, 2022 (EST)
+Okay. I’ll add this in the ''Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope'' section for Goombas. Thank you. [[User:Mason Popovich]] December 15, 17:23 (EST)
+== History Section ==
+Anyone think the history section is far too long? {{User:Mushroom Head/sig}} 10:21, July 25, 2023 (EDT)
+:This is a late response but we should first attempt to trim words down if they're too wordy and also cut down on images. To trim words, we should look at maybe plot synopses of Mario RPG games, for instance. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:56, December 2, 2023 (EST)