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I think this article has too much to do with the game, ''[[Donkey Kong]]'', and not enough to do with the character.  Does the lawsuit about the arcade game really matter in the Donkey Kong article?
I think this article has too much to do with the game, ''[[Donkey Kong]]'', and not enough to do with the character.  Does the lawsuit about the arcade game really matter in the Donkey Kong article?
[[User:Waluigi Freak 99|Waluigi Freak 99]] 09:35, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
[[User:Waluigi Freak 99|Waluigi Freak 99]] 09:35, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
:Some of the info, mainly under Sequels and spin-offs, needs to be moved to the arcade game. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#063;"><font size="5">'''{{color-link-piped|User:Wayoshi|#050|W}}'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php/Special:Random http://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/24/Wayoshisig.png]</span> 11:32, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
:Some of the info, mainly under Sequels and spin-offs, needs to be moved to the arcade game. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#063;"><font size="5">'''{{color-link|User:Wayoshi|#050|W}}'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php/Special:Random http://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/24/Wayoshisig.png]</span> 11:32, 14 October 2006 (EDT)


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::Reopening this discussion because the addition is still under dispute. Giant Donkey Kong is a superpowered character faced at the end of a Classic route, he counts as a boss. So do Metal Mario and all the other boss characters that don't have healthbars. "They don't have healthbars", "The announcer says 'Go'", and "regular Smash battle" aren't valid reasons to disqualify them as bosses. I direct you to [[Master Core]]. Master Core's taken out with a Smash battle after all his shapeshifting and you're not saying ''he's'' not a boss. Giant/metal characters faced at the end of a run count as bosses. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 16:23, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
::Reopening this discussion because the addition is still under dispute. Giant Donkey Kong is a superpowered character faced at the end of a Classic route, he counts as a boss. So do Metal Mario and all the other boss characters that don't have healthbars. "They don't have healthbars", "The announcer says 'Go'", and "regular Smash battle" aren't valid reasons to disqualify them as bosses. I direct you to [[Master Core]]. Master Core's taken out with a Smash battle after all his shapeshifting and you're not saying ''he's'' not a boss. Giant/metal characters faced at the end of a run count as bosses. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 16:23, August 30, 2019 (EDT)


Sakurai considers the fights at the end of Classic Mode bosses himself, so yeah if he classify's it as a boss then it's a boss. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:135%;color:Green">Korporal K. Reep</span> [[File:Korporal_K._Reep.gif|50px]] 04:50, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
Sakurai considers the fights at the end of Classic Mode bosses himself, so yeah if he classify's it as a boss then it's a boss. {{User:Korporal K. Reep/sig}} 04:50, May 23, 2020 (EDT)


== Donkey Kong III ==
== Donkey Kong III ==
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:::Link and Zelda have been established as more than one character '''very''' early on, the latter since ''[[tcrf:Zelda II: The Adventure of Link/Regional Differences#Intro|The Adventure of Link]]'' and both since ''[https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/box/3/2/2/18322_back.jpg A Link to the Past]''. Despite this, the bio text in the original ''Super Smash Bros.'' treats Link as one character: "''Link is the valiant boy hero of "The Legend of Zelda" series in which he fights against the evil Ganon to recover the Triforce. '''Though his tools may change with each adventure, his strength and righteousness remain constant.''' With his trusty sword and a variety of weapons, he takes adventure head on!''" In ''Melee'', the Link and Zelda trophies are written based specifically on their ''Ocarina of Time'' incarnations, yet the game listed is ''The Legend of Zelda'' (even Young Link, who's the Hero of Time, is considered as such). This isn't much different to claiming that Donkey Kong used to be "kidnapping beautiful maidens" and engaging in "construction site mischief". This isn't Nintendo making authoritative statements, but rather stilted, sloppy writing on the part of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' developers and translators who clearly didn't do as much research on the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series as you'd think, resulting in [[Diddy Kong#Friends|Diddy Kong being Donkey Kong's nephew]], [[List of rumors and urban legends about Mario#King K. Rool's costumes are separate characters in Japan|Kaptain K. Rool being King K. Rool's brother]], and at least [[Enguarde the Swordfish#Super Smash Bros. for Wii U trophy|one trophy]] seemingly [[Special:Diff/1751265|referencing us]]. These days, the ''Zelda'' characters are treated as more like archtypes than individuals; I don't see why Donkey Kong can't be the same. Yes, Nintendo especially plays continuity loose in spinoffs, which is how Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. appeared together in ''Mario Tennis'' in a manner not unlike the babies; however, I'd also suggest that the ''Donkey Kong'' branch of the franchise has a greater sense of continuity than most overall, particularly during Rare's tenure. The articles '''do''' currently state Cranky Kong as the elderly form of the original Donkey Kong right at [[Donkey Kong|the]] [[Cranky Kong|top]], and sentences regarding the confusion [[Donkey Kong#Creation|are]] [[Donkey Kong Jr.|present]] but kept to a minimum - as I say, the [[Talk:Koopalings#The Koopalings are .5Binsert repetitive statement.5D|Koopaling situation]] essentially did what you're suggesting, which is [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|generally discouraged]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:39, January 26, 2020 (EST)
:::Link and Zelda have been established as more than one character '''very''' early on, the latter since ''[[tcrf:Zelda II: The Adventure of Link/Regional Differences#Intro|The Adventure of Link]]'' and both since ''[https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/box/3/2/2/18322_back.jpg A Link to the Past]''. Despite this, the bio text in the original ''Super Smash Bros.'' treats Link as one character: "''Link is the valiant boy hero of "The Legend of Zelda" series in which he fights against the evil Ganon to recover the Triforce. '''Though his tools may change with each adventure, his strength and righteousness remain constant.''' With his trusty sword and a variety of weapons, he takes adventure head on!''" In ''Melee'', the Link and Zelda trophies are written based specifically on their ''Ocarina of Time'' incarnations, yet the game listed is ''The Legend of Zelda'' (even Young Link, who's the Hero of Time, is considered as such). This isn't much different to claiming that Donkey Kong used to be "kidnapping beautiful maidens" and engaging in "construction site mischief". This isn't Nintendo making authoritative statements, but rather stilted, sloppy writing on the part of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' developers and translators who clearly didn't do as much research on the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series as you'd think, resulting in [[Diddy Kong#Friends|Diddy Kong being Donkey Kong's nephew]], [[List of rumors and urban legends about Mario#King K. Rool's costumes are separate characters in Japan|Kaptain K. Rool being King K. Rool's brother]], and at least [[Enguarde the Swordfish#Super Smash Bros. for Wii U trophy|one trophy]] seemingly [[Special:Diff/1751265|referencing us]]. These days, the ''Zelda'' characters are treated as more like archtypes than individuals; I don't see why Donkey Kong can't be the same. Yes, Nintendo especially plays continuity loose in spinoffs, which is how Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. appeared together in ''Mario Tennis'' in a manner not unlike the babies; however, I'd also suggest that the ''Donkey Kong'' branch of the franchise has a greater sense of continuity than most overall, particularly during Rare's tenure. The articles '''do''' currently state Cranky Kong as the elderly form of the original Donkey Kong right at [[Donkey Kong|the]] [[Cranky Kong|top]], and sentences regarding the confusion [[Donkey Kong#Creation|are]] [[Donkey Kong Jr.|present]] but kept to a minimum - as I say, the [[Talk:Koopalings#The Koopalings are .5Binsert repetitive statement.5D|Koopaling situation]] essentially did what you're suggesting, which is [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|generally discouraged]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:39, January 26, 2020 (EST)


Probably because it has already been confirmed canon that the Originak Dk and Modern Dk are not the same person. So your information won't be needed. And yah like Link said, Alot of English translations are not right within the actual games canon. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:135%;color:Green">Korporal K. Reep</span> [[File:Korporal_K._Reep.gif|50px]] 04:55, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
 
 
Probably because it has already been confirmed canon that the Original Dk and Modern Dk are not the same person. So your information won't be needed. And yah like Link said, Alot of English translations are not right within the actual games canon. {{User:Korporal K. Reep/sig}} 04:55, May 23, 2020 (EDT)


== Why has a section for Dr Mario World not been added yet ==
== Why has a section for Dr Mario World not been added yet ==