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::No problem! I had to check the first time I saw it, too! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:04, 11 March 2008 (EDT) | ::No problem! I had to check the first time I saw it, too! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:04, 11 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Yes, of course, I was the one who told him not to create it. Back then, no one decided if we wanted to create it, if Birdo was really a species and I didn't want this article. I still want it, but the proposal was finished. Ah well. :P | :::Yes, of course, I was the one who told him not to create it. Back then, no one decided if we wanted to create it, if Birdo was really a species and I didn't want this article. I still want it, but the proposal was finished. Ah well. :P <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
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:I would think (going by my school book) that it would be "Birdoes". That looks weird, but it says if a vowel (o) follows a consonant (d), then an "es" must be added; if it is a vowel-vowel ending, it's just "s". {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|That does look odd though.}} | :I would think (going by my school book) that it would be "Birdoes". That looks weird, but it says if a vowel (o) follows a consonant (d), then an "es" must be added; if it is a vowel-vowel ending, it's just "s". {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|That does look odd though.}} | ||
::I think the Marioverse has a different way to do this, maybe? | ::I think the Marioverse has a different way to do this, maybe? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
:::Thanks, Rooben. Thing is, it lookes like "Bir -- does" now... as in "That's what he '''does''' for a living." But this is English we're talking about, and there are plenty of strange, non-phonetic things like that. Does anyone know of any word that ends in "do" or "bo" or whatever? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT) | :::Thanks, Rooben. Thing is, it lookes like "Bir -- does" now... as in "That's what he '''does''' for a living." But this is English we're talking about, and there are plenty of strange, non-phonetic things like that. Does anyone know of any word that ends in "do" or "bo" or whatever? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
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Looking at the concerns that I brought up before, the 1st one seems to be cleared (as explained above, how Birdo is usually portrayed as a distinct character and then mentioning in which games multiple Birdos are seen). My 2nd one is how to deal with fringe situations like [[Flutter]] and [[Flutter (character)]]. I would argue that such (character) distinguishers should see to be eliminated, as I don't see much purpose in excluding a minor character's information from their species page when they share the same name. Essentially, Birdo can't be the only page seeing this merge (besides Boom Boom also), and I expect that we should move to properly establish rules to explain which pages are merging and why certain (species) or (character) pages would be moving out of fashion. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 16:31, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | Looking at the concerns that I brought up before, the 1st one seems to be cleared (as explained above, how Birdo is usually portrayed as a distinct character and then mentioning in which games multiple Birdos are seen). My 2nd one is how to deal with fringe situations like [[Flutter]] and [[Flutter (character)]]. I would argue that such (character) distinguishers should see to be eliminated, as I don't see much purpose in excluding a minor character's information from their species page when they share the same name. Essentially, Birdo can't be the only page seeing this merge (besides Boom Boom also), and I expect that we should move to properly establish rules to explain which pages are merging and why certain (species) or (character) pages would be moving out of fashion. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 16:31, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:I would support merging Boom Boom for similar reasons to the ones I gave about Birdo in this proposal (his situation is kind of comparable to Koopa Kids'). As for the rest, I understand merging all the ''Mario Party Advance'' character articles for specific instances of a species as an NPC; keeping those split is quite comparable to splitting, say, Koopa Troopa between the 'character' playable in spin-offs and the species, which would be bad since they are the same thing just like Birdo here. However, I do have one issue with merging the MPA characters and it's the ones with unique names like [[Akiki]] and [[Goombetty]]. We could also merge them with their species, since there's about as much to say about them as the generic ones, but that would be going against the policy of [[ | :I would support merging Boom Boom for similar reasons to the ones I gave about Birdo in this proposal (his situation is kind of comparable to Koopa Kids'). As for the rest, I understand merging all the ''Mario Party Advance'' character articles for specific instances of a species as an NPC; keeping those split is quite comparable to splitting, say, Koopa Troopa between the 'character' playable in spin-offs and the species, which would be bad since they are the same thing just like Birdo here. However, I do have one issue with merging the MPA characters and it's the ones with unique names like [[Akiki]] and [[Goombetty]]. We could also merge them with their species, since there's about as much to say about them as the generic ones, but that would be going against the policy of [[SMW:NPC|giving all named NPCs pages]], which was done for things like the ''Paper Mario'' series. So no matter what we do about the MPA characters, there'll be inconsistency (if we merge only the generic ones then it will be inconsistent with the unique ones staying split, if we merge the unique and generic ones it will break the named NPCs policy, and if we do nothing then that will be bad as stated above), and I'm not sure which option I think is best. There are also other similar articles like [[Goomba (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars character)]], but in cases like those there is some unique information which I'm not sure would fit on the main Goomba article, and the line between character and species for one-time NPCs tends to be much clearer than cases like Boom Boom and Birdo who reappear in any capacity the developers want. Then that leaves Yoshi, Toad and Kamek/Magikoopa which all easily have enough separate information to be on two different pages. So, I think a major deciding factor on whether to split character and species should be if there is enough information about both to warrant separate articles, which I don't think the MPA characters really have. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:09, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | ||
::The ones with unique names can stay; notably, [[Goomba (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars character)]] has a unique Japanese name, whereas the above-mentioned Flutter and [[Goomba (Mario Party Advance)]] do not. There's also [[Goomba (Mario Party 4)]], but he has a unique design and so can stay separate. In my opinion, it's not necessarily inconsistent to have some ''MPA'' characters split off and some not; after all, any "species" playable character in a spin-off doesn't have their own page. So I think splitting them out is fine. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 19:32, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | ::The ones with unique names can stay; notably, [[Goomba (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars character)]] has a unique Japanese name, whereas the above-mentioned Flutter and [[Goomba (Mario Party Advance)]] do not. There's also [[Goomba (Mario Party 4)]], but he has a unique design and so can stay separate. In my opinion, it's not necessarily inconsistent to have some ''MPA'' characters split off and some not; after all, any "species" playable character in a spin-off doesn't have their own page. So I think splitting them out is fine. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 19:32, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:::The only potential hangup I can see is [[Hulu]], who despite looking like a [[Dancing Spear Guy]] is referred to as [[Bamboo dancers|Bamboo dancer]] in Japanese. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:12, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | :::The only potential hangup I can see is [[Hulu]], who despite looking like a [[Dancing Spear Guy]] is referred to as [[Bamboo dancers|Bamboo dancer]] in Japanese. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:12, April 9, 2021 (EDT) | ||
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I'm not sure the original DDP translation but it seems like the encyclopedia implies these to be separate characters/monsters. | I'm not sure the original DDP translation but it seems like the encyclopedia implies these to be separate characters/monsters. | ||
Like each instance could be a fresh new Birdo/Catherine (you killed the previous ones) just like each new Mouser isn't the same Mouser come back to life, but maybe one of his brothers/cousins out to avenge their family's murder? | |||
IE it is only the (Pink) Birdo described in the SMB2 manual who wants to be called Birdetta. The other Birdos (Red/Blue/Green) lack that text and are basically the forgotten Birdos of SMB2 even though "Red Catherine" got just as prominent a spot in the DDP manual as "Pink Catherine". [[User:Tyciol|ty]] ([[User talk:Tyciol|talk]]) 14:37, February 16, 2022 (EST) | IE it is only the (Pink) Birdo described in the SMB2 manual who wants to be called Birdetta. The other Birdos (Red/Blue/Green) lack that text and are basically the forgotten Birdos of SMB2 even though "Red Catherine" got just as prominent a spot in the DDP manual as "Pink Catherine". [[User:Tyciol|ty]] ([[User talk:Tyciol|talk]]) 14:37, February 16, 2022 (EST) | ||