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==Birdo's Voice== | ==Birdo's Voice== | ||
How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back? {{User:Plumber/sig}} | How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back? {{User:Plumber/sig}} | ||
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You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | ||
There are many different Birdos, but that is most likely the one that we see commonly in spin-offs and in main-stream games. It may just be an error on Nintendo's side or Birdo could've got her voice back off-screen, as it wasn't that much of a huge plot-line. Or there is the possibility that Birdo can speak full-English and it was zapped away, making her only be able to speak in "Birdo" or "gibberish", where her name is one of the words she can say, but this most likely is not true. --[[User:Mariofan4eva|Mariofan4eva]] 12:09, 8 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Characters and Species== | ==Characters and Species== | ||
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#[[User:javier12345|Javier12345]]:Like that is Toads article | #[[User:javier12345|Javier12345]]:Like that is Toads article | ||
#{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad. | #{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad. | ||
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official [[ | #[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official [[MarioWiki:Proposals|Proposal]]? | ||
#{{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Yoshi and Yoshi (species) are split up, so Birdo needs to be as well.}} | #{{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Yoshi and Yoshi (species) are split up, so Birdo needs to be as well.}} | ||
#{{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} - My comment below. | #{{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} - My comment below. | ||
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# [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc. | # [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc. | ||
# | # <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> Per Son of Suns-we have no proof all those Birdos are the same. But we already moved Yoshi, Theryguy. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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==Birdo image== | ==Birdo image== | ||
Can we use this for the first image???[[user:javier12345|Javier12345]] | Can we use this for the first image???[[user:javier12345|Javier12345]] | ||
[[ | [[File:MP8 Birdo.png|200px]] | ||
==Issue== | ==Issue== | ||
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:"Strutzi" is definitely Birdo's Italian name. Look [http://youtube.com/watch?v=PxHPsqBIESE here] (0:15). It's ''Mario Party 7'' in Italian, and Toadsworth calls Birdo "Strutzi". I also wondered about the name, it surely has something to do with that mix-up. Anyone (Italian) here who could clear it up? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:01, 5 June 2008 (EDT) | :"Strutzi" is definitely Birdo's Italian name. Look [http://youtube.com/watch?v=PxHPsqBIESE here] (0:15). It's ''Mario Party 7'' in Italian, and Toadsworth calls Birdo "Strutzi". I also wondered about the name, it surely has something to do with that mix-up. Anyone (Italian) here who could clear it up? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:01, 5 June 2008 (EDT) | ||
::Now I'm unsure if the name really comes from "struzzo" (ostrich). Because I read the Italian name of [[Mona]]'s microgame set "Cute Cuts" in ''WarioWare: Touched!'', which is "Tocchi ''stuzzi''canti". They replaced "cute" with "stuzzicante". As I've read, this word means "appetizing" or "stimulating". Maybe it is used in a similar manner as the English "cute" to refer to "cute" people? It would be at least more likely to name Birdo/Catherine/Strutzi after a word like this than after "ostrich". Hum, I think only a native speaker of Italian could definitely say what Strutzi means. But I don't know any such a user here on MarioWiki. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | ::Now I'm unsure if the name really comes from "struzzo" (ostrich). Because I read the Italian name of [[Mona]]'s microgame set "Cute Cuts" in ''WarioWare: Touched!'', which is "Tocchi ''stuzzi''canti". They replaced "cute" with "stuzzicante". As I've read, this word means "appetizing" or "stimulating". Maybe it is used in a similar manner as the English "cute" to refer to "cute" people? It would be at least more likely to name Birdo/Catherine/Strutzi after a word like this than after "ostrich". Hum, I think only a native speaker of Italian could definitely say what Strutzi means. But I don't know any such a user here on MarioWiki. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | ||
I am actually part-Italian, but not that much. I do know that Goomba means "friend" in Italian, but that's pretty much all I know for Mario stuff. My grandfather told me that "strutzi" is actually bird and ostrich put together in English, so a pormanteau of the words, and he said it translates to "Birdostrich". Interestingly, if you take off "strich" in the English translation of Strutzi", you get Birdo. --[[User:Mariofan4eva|Mariofan4eva]] 12:13, 8 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Birdo == | == Birdo == | ||
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"That bug is not Birdo!, Just look! That does not resemble Birdo, or has the same size as it or anything! Clearly it is a cheap copy and stupid! A Birdo does not have a human voice! There is a Birdo in Super Mario Advance that talks however that Birdo has a female voice! Understand?" {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | "That bug is not Birdo!, Just look! That does not resemble Birdo, or has the same size as it or anything! Clearly it is a cheap copy and stupid! A Birdo does not have a human voice! There is a Birdo in Super Mario Advance that talks however that Birdo has a female voice! Understand?" {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | ||
If I may? Sorry to be quick, on my Wii. Does the controversy matter? If Birdo claims femininity, call Birdo a girl simply to run things smooth. I mean, if you identified as a girl but weren't, you'd want to not be called a boy. Follow the silver rule (treat others as they wish to be treated, foolishly second to "as you wish..." but whatever) and the controversy dissolves. | |||
Shrikeswind | |||
Mostly on the games Birdo is called a 'girl' back then when 'she' first came out she was considered a boy, but now like 2005 to 2012 birdo is considered a girl. {{unsigned|Birdoispink}} | |||
== Birdo in Captain Rainbow == | == Birdo in Captain Rainbow == | ||
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===The pictures! === {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | ===The pictures! === | ||
{{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
<gallery> | |||
Image:Loading.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | Image:Loading.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | ||
Image:Daisylololo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | Image:Daisylololo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | ||
Image:Peachlolo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | Image:Peachlolo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | ||
</gallery | </gallery> | ||
The first one is edited...The other ones look fine tho. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}} | The first one is edited...The other ones look fine tho. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}} | ||
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I don't think we can say all of these appearances featured the same exact Birdo. Instead we can say that there is a prominent pink Birdo in the Mario series just as there is a prominent Green Yoshi, although the actual Birdo or Yoshi could be different in different appearances. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} | I don't think we can say all of these appearances featured the same exact Birdo. Instead we can say that there is a prominent pink Birdo in the Mario series just as there is a prominent Green Yoshi, although the actual Birdo or Yoshi could be different in different appearances. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} | ||
:I think a disclaimer statement to that effect would be fine. Go for it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:38, 22 December 2008 (EST) | :I think a disclaimer statement to that effect would be fine. Go for it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:38, 22 December 2008 (EST) | ||
I found an image of birdo at mario and sonic at the olympic games. i'm a noob -_- so please don't say THIS IS THE WRONG FORUM D:< | |||
[IMG]http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j82/Mop_it_up/Official%20Nintendo%20Artwork/BirdoSkate.png[/IMG] | |||
:: The picture is a fake! It is not real, and all the characters are all pretty much confirmed! And, I think it ''is'' a wrong forum. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} | |||
== "It" is not correct == | == "It" is not correct == | ||
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How is it possible that Birdo appears with different colors and abilities in each level? Is it a special power of hers, or are the Birdos in the game just generic Birdos? {{unsigned|Chaos}} | How is it possible that Birdo appears with different colors and abilities in each level? Is it a special power of hers, or are the Birdos in the game just generic Birdos? {{unsigned|Chaos}} | ||
:Well, [[Yoshi]] changes colours and abilities depending on what he eats (or encounters, as is the case with the wings that turn him blue in ''Super Mario World''), so it's possible Birdo can do the same. However, that's just speculation, so it can't be included in the article. As for whether or not they're all one Birdo or multiple Birdos, I'm not sure if that's ever been set in stone, to be honest; but I could be mistaken. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:50, 11 March 2009 (EDT) | |||
I think it might be possible that Birdo does possess the same ability, but, because it's never been stated, this is just speculation. I think the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual was labeling Birdo herself as an individual Birdo that appears, and wasn't trying to say that each Birdo is Birdo. {{unsigned|Chaos}} | |||
== Is Birdo evil, or does she happen to attack because of circumstance, like Petey Piranha? == | |||
It never really said that Birdo is evil, and she's been portrayed as a nice and peacful creature. She never seems to attack the Mario Bros. unless there's special circumstances, such as them attacking Popple, and Wart enslaving the creatures of Subcon and forcing them to work for him (which might include Birdo). In Mario RPG, she attacks Mario because she "wanted to play" and "didn't want to let Mario go", and she was raised as a weapon. (although she didn't turn out like one) {{unsigned|Chaos}} | |||
I think she's peaceful {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} n,n | |||
:In Mario & Luigi, he helps Peach out, but then later recognizes Mario and Luigi and seems to have a vendetta against them. This is her last appearance in a storyline-based game so far. I'm guessing it's situational, and Peach? Well, she's not one to make a lot of enemies anyway. Best to think of Birdo as a "neutral" character, like Wario (for the most part). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:33, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
== Birdo's Gender == | |||
I Am so confused about birdos gender.I know that it was origionally known as a guy. I still believe birdos a girl but I'm wondering when this problem with birdos gender will end. I just hope the problem ends soon. | |||
{{unsigned|2centsteddy}} | |||
Don't worry {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} she's female :P | |||
:Male in Japan. Whatever you want it to be outside of Japan. There, hope that satisfies everybody. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:29, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
Birdo,Birdo,Birdo. (it is repetitive). ''She'' is a good idea. {{unsigned|Linlin}} | |||
== Catherine or Katherine == | |||
I know.. that's her japanese name ,but what's the correct name? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} ',' | |||
The Japanese romaji says "Kyasarin". It can technically translate either way, as the pronunciation should be identical to what they're going for. However, if you really want to know which one is the "correct" one, Catherine seems to be the preferred English spelling as seen in Japanese materials. For example, the Mario Kart: Double Dash website (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gm4j/02.html) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:50, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
== The SMB2 image? == | |||
I thought only the pink variation was seen in the solo artwork. Someone recolor it? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:51, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
:I have never seen that artwork of Birdo in orange (Birdo is orange on the covers of ''Doki Doki Panic'' and ''Super Mario USA'', but the artwork looks different there). I asked the same question before, but nobody really seemed to know why. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Gender?== | |||
Shouldn't it be "sex"? There really is no confusion on her gender, she identifies as female. Gender and sex are two different things [[User:NinjaCupcake|NinjaCupcake]] 14:38, 5 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Good point. The most appropriate title would be "Gender and Sex", since the section deals with both aspects of Birdo's sexuality, but my guess is that we've shied away from a "sex"-containing header because of the obvious homonym trouble. It's better to simply go with plain "Gender" and avoid all the complaints / edit wars as people try and change it to something less eye-grabbing. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:37, 6 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
==Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Manual== | |||
I (finally) found my Double Dash!! manual and here's what it has to say for Birdo: "女の子に見えるけど、 実は…？" This literally translates to "Looks like a girl, but actually...?" This doesn't come out and say clearly that Birdo is male, but implies so. What to make of it? --{{User|Garlic Man}} | |||
:As far as I know, Birdo is simply considered to be a male in Japan; the fact that the manual writers for ''Mario Kart: Double Dash!!'' decided to be coy about it doesn't change anything. (For the record, the NA English version reads "Birdo's decked out in her favorite bow and ready to race!") - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:48, 9 January 2010 (EST) | |||
::Yeah, I realize it doesn't change anything. Which is why I asked what to make of it. It was just an implication that Birdo's gender is, at the very least, unspecified in Japan. --{{User|Garlic Man}} | |||
==SSBB== | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2xGWwhVsGE You can use Birdo {{user:Birdo beauties/sig}} | |||
:Fake. {{User:Reversinator/sig}} | |||
==Corrections that need to be made== | |||
Hi, I noticed several errors in the article, but since the article is locked right now, I cannot fix them myself. In the section [[Birdo#Mario_Party_series|Mario Party series]], the game ''Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher'' needs to be italicized (it appears in the last sentence of that section). Also, in the introduction of the article, the following sentence needs to be re-written as it is a run-on: | |||
:''The central Birdo character (that appears in the Mario Kart series, the Mario Party series and the various sports titles) wears a red bow, a diamond ring, she also has some sort of relationship with Yoshi as they are the automatic partners in various competitions, and is a good friend of Daisy, Toadette, and Petey Piranha.'' | |||
Also, I think it would make sense to wikilink ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' in the section ''[[Birdo#Super_Mario_Bros._2|Super Mario Bros. 2]]''. It is located in the second paragraph. Thanks, <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 17:56, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
Also found this sentence, which will also need to be rephrased. It's the last sentence of the section [[Birdo#Physical_Description|Physical Description]]: | |||
:''In the Japanese commercial for Super Mario All-Stars, she wears a very expensive black dress, adorned with a black necklace with many pearls, also she wears a white stole, and a very elegant fan.'' | |||
<b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:12, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
''Also'', in the second sentence of the section [[Birdo#Powers_and_Abilities|Powers and Abilities]], the following sentence is missing a subject, in which I've inserted a blank space: | |||
:''Birdo has also shown the ability to utilize her snout in a manner similar to a vacuum, using her '''_____''' to suck things closer to herself or even swallow them...'' | |||
If an admin wants to unlock the page, I'd be happy to make these edits, along with anything else I come across. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:18, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
:Unlock the page, at least for a bit. Let this new user work! =) [[User:Culex|Culex]] 18:51, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
::Great, thanks! <small>Oh, wait, I thought you unlocked it :P But thanks for the support ;)</small> <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:53, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
I've made the changes since I got autoconfirmed today. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 15:15, 19 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
:Thanks for being patient about the autoconfirmation and fixing up the article! Protecting pages is only meant to dissuade vandals (and this is a prime target, so it's a necessity here, I'm afraid), so I'm glad productive newcomers aren't driven away as well. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:39, 24 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
==Featured Article== | |||
What information is needed to make this a featured article? {{User:Birdo beauties/sig}} | |||
It would be easier to nominate it first people don't comment on these talk pages very often but i think it has all the info needed to be nominate personally {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} | |||