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 ::That happens to everyone; it only becomes a problem when someone ''always'' edits like that. Going through a page section-by-section is okay, as is going back and fixing a couple things you missed the first time, but making a dozen minor edits to a single paragraph ''will'' get people peeved at you (especially if you're waffling over one issue: undoing the change, redoing it, tweaking it, trying something else, going back to the first change, etc. etc. - that's what the Preview button's for). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:24, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
-how do you cross out words? [[User:purifieda|<span style="mushroom:serif;color:#740">purifieda</span>]][[File:SuperMushroom.png|20px]]
+how do you cross out words? [[User:purifieda|<span style="mushroom:serif;color:#740">purifieda</span>]][[File:NSMBW Super Mushroom Artwork.png|20px]]
 :By putting a <nowiki><s></nowiki> at the start and a <nowiki></s></nowiki> at the end. [[User:WikiofSmash|WikiofSmash&quot;It&#39;s called society, ever heard of it?&quot;]] 23:29, 6 August 2011 (EDT)
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 :For example, if I typed out this sentence, but saved after every word, that would be too many. If it's something that can be done in one large edit, it should be, so the page's history and the Recent Changes don't get flooded and make them hard to look through. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:40, 24 November 2017 (EST)
 ::Hmm... okay. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 17:46, 24 November 2017 (EST)
+== Plagiarism (copying and pasting parts of an article) ==
+Which level offense does plagiarism fall in the Warning Policy? [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 15:23, 4 January 2019 (EST)
+:I'd say a level one reminder. Plagiarism should fall under failure to follow writing guidelines. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:52, 4 January 2019 (EST)
+::I kind of think minor plagiarism should be a Level 1 offense while major plagiarism should be a level 2 offense. [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 21:52, 4 January 2019 (EST)
+== Warnings given by Patrollers ==
+I know that you can appeal a reminder, warning, or last warning if you got it from another registered user and that you can't appeal a reminder, warning, or last warning if an admin or higher rank gives it to you. Can you appeal a reminder, warning, or last warning that's given by a patroller? [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 10:40, 11 January 2019 (EST)
+:No, they are still staff members. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:03, 11 January 2019 (EST)
+::Unfortunately, I can't change the policy myself, but if I could, I'd change the entire thing from Admins to Patrollers. (Ex: An asterisk marks warnings that only patrollers can issue.) Similar to admins; even though patrollers have less privileges, it doesn't affect how they issue warnings. [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 10:49, 25 January 2019 (EST)
+:::I don't understand what you mean. You can't appeal a warning from a staff member: Patroller, Administrator, Bureaucrat, or Proprietor. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:57, 25 January 2019 (EST)
+::::What I'm trying to say is that I wish I could change this quote from "An asterisk (*) marks offenses which only administrators can issue a warning for" to "An asterisk (*) marks offenses which only people who are patrollers or higher rank can issue a warning for." [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 11:00, 25 January 2019 (EST)
+:::::[[MarioWiki:Administrators|"Be aware that the term "administrator" is often used as an umbrella term to refer to all the wiki staff, rather than the specific admin/sysop rank, so unless otherwise stated, the one lower rank, patrollers, should always be assumed to be included in any discussions about "admins," as they are generally treated the same anyway, aside from a few technical limitations."]] {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:03, 25 January 2019 (EST)
+== Yet Another Question... ==
+What level offense is lying considered in the Warning Policy? For an example of lying, think of someone saying, "My brother's the one who vandalized these articles, not me" when, in reality, that person actually did it. [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 21:54, 9 February 2019 (EST)
+:That's not something they can really be warned about, as it's likely the "brother" is already banned in that scenario, so the one conveying the message would also be banned if they provide no proof of their claim. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:58, 9 February 2019 (EST)
+::How would the brother be banned if they just opened MarioWiki in an account on the same family computer that wasn't logged out of? Seems to me there's no way to prove either way, and claiming they're "lying" would be jumping to unfair conclusions. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:03, 9 February 2019 (EST)
+::Anyways, take a look at this situation: Say a family has a big get-together, and the house chosen happens to be the home of a Mariowiki user. Now, said user wanted to make an edit, but then suddenly their cranky old aunt forces them to share the computer with their bratty little cousin, and said cousin vandalizes the wiki while the user is getting scolded for not treating said brat like a little prince. Now, is it fair to blame the user if this happens? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:20, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+:::If you have a "family computer" and a troublemaking relative, not logging out is like giving a baby beer. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:36, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+::::The account would still get banned regardless, perhaps after a few warnings if the current user doesn't respond to them, and they can send a message to the admins from the admin noticeboard or by IP editing. The situation will be dealt with internally, same with any other block appeal.
+::::Not a good idea to edit wikis with children around, though. They will want to try it themselves :P {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:42, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+::::And if one's haggish aunt physically pulls them out of the chair or gives them a sudden time limit of 5 seconds, what are they to do? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:43, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+:::::...Has this happened before? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:44, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::The aunt thing is an exaggeration of something my whiny, brittle aunt did to me before I had online accounting at all (ie forcing me off of the computer via veto power and then claiming I was being "mean" to my cousin for telling him to clean up his own drink spill). Anyways, I recall one blocked person who was blocked because their cousin twice vandalized the wiki over two separate Thanksgivings, which I find too suspicious to have been the user themselves. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:47, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+:::::::Well, that sucks. What user was that? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:52, 10 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::::Can't remember, unfortunately. It was before I started editing. I've browsed on here since 2007 or 2008. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:03, 11 February 2019 (EST)
+== How does this make sense? ==
+*Creating sockpuppets during a temporary block (will extend the block the first time and become an infinite ban the second time)
+I thought you couldn't create accounts while blocked! How does this make sense? {{unsigned|LugiaLunala}}
+#Autoblocking IPs keeps them blocked for the next 24 hours, afterward the IP opens again. IP can be blocked separately, though.
+#You can create an account using a separate IP.
+{{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:06, 11 February 2019 (EST)
+== It's either I found a typo or this makes no sense ==
+*Not marking a flood of edits as "minor"
+Are you saying that not marking a small amount of (non-minor) edits as "minor" deserves a [[Template:Reminder|reminder template]]? Shouldn't you instead say:
+*Marking a flood of edits as "minor"
+instead?
+{{unsigned|LugiaLunala}}
+:No, it's saying you can be warned for continuously not marking small edits as minor. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:21, 10 March 2019 (EDT)
+==Why==
+Why is falsely claiming to be an admin not an "admins only" warning?  {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 17:48, August 18, 2019 (EDT)
+:Because it's something that can very easily by noticed by anyone. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:49, August 18, 2019 (EDT)
+::Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 18:00, August 18, 2019 (EDT)
+== Missing level four offense ==
+So, why is threatening someone's life not on here? [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 13:57, November 21, 2019 (EST)
+:That's a level of flaming, as in making derogatory comments toward another user(s). Life threatening would be an immediate block, but it's not something we really need to clarify. Should be a given. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:46, November 22, 2019 (EST)
+==Expand Parts of the Warning Policy (specifically the lists of offenses)==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-5|Failed}}
+Ok, so I've been looking at this wiki, and there's one thing that kinda annoys me. Why do people get reminded, warned, and even blocked for not signing comments, even though this isn't part of the "Level 1 offenses"? I feel like blocking a good-faith user over forgetting to sign talk page comments is a bit absurd. (Assume said user has mostly made contributive and productive edits, like fixing typos in an article or asking for help when needed.) If a user gets warned for something that's not even in the Warning Policy to begin with (and FYI, forgetting to sign comments is not discourteous behavior), it seems unfair to give a user a reminder for an offense that does not seem to be reminder worthy, at least if the warning policy doesn't say that it's an offense.
+That being said, I did notice that only admins can edit the warning policy. Since I can't edit it, I'm going to see how this proposal goes.
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Mari0fan100}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': <del>September 18, 2022, 23:59 GMT</del> Extended to September 25, 2022, 23:59 GMT
+===Support===
+#{{User|Mari0fan100}} Per proposal.
+===Oppose===
+#{{User|Wikiboy10}} Look, I hate getting warned too but it's worth it. I've done some dumb stuff and I should be called out for it.
+#{{User|Swallow}} This proposal does not have a clear enough goal. As I said in the comments, the  title and reasoning are very contradictory.
+#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} See comments
+#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, this proposal is too unclear.
+#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
+===Comments===
+Is the goal of this proposal specifically to stop people from getting warned for signing comments then? If so, the proposal title is very misleading. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 21:24, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
+:The goal of this proposal is to expand which offenses are warnable, and forgetting to sign comments would be a "Level one offense" if this proposal passes. Of course, users would get an informal reminder before getting an official reminder about it. [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 23:01, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
+::The reasoning of the proposal makes it look like you're trying to do the opposite of that, so I think there needs to be some rewording done. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 08:40, September 5, 2022 (EDT)
+Don't we have [[MarioWiki:Don't shoot your foot off]] to address this sort of gap in warning policy? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:16, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
+BTW I don't think this will be an effective proposal. There's no clear goals to be made here. All this proposal to me seems like it's just pointing out potential issues with our warning and blocking policies but not really going into what can be done to solve this aside from suggesting we expand the policy page to encompass more infractions. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:19, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
+Also make sure you list the proposal in [[MarioWiki:Proposals]]. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:58, September 7, 2022 (EDT)
+I agree with Bazooka Mario. We don't know what other things you want to be enforced by the warning policy. For all we know, the "Leaving an unsigned comment when a signature is required" offense is the ''only'' offense you want to actually add on the list (in which case, I would personally just go notify an admin about it before starting any proposal). Are there any other offenses you want to be added? Is there anything else regarding the warning policy you'd want to be changed (which offenses need to be changed, moved to which level, or deleted; how the procedure would go, etc.)? If you don't know anything else to be added or changed, then why bother with the proposal? Just ask an admin about the "Leaving an unsigned comment when a signature is required" offense and why it's not on the list of offenses.<br>Oh, and for the record, I could've sworn that the "Leaving an unsigned comment when a signature is required" offense actually ''was'' listed somewhere, but I guess I was wrong about that. {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:04, September 9, 2022 (EDT)
+== In case of improper usage of template? ==
+What warnings do users receive in case of misuse of reminder template? Improper issuing of a template without knowledge that it is misuse. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 17:26, July 14, 2023 (EDT)