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::::::I'm not defining "revision" wrong, I'm just saying there is not enough of a difference to call it a retcon or a ''significant'' revision. Also, the ''Mario 64 DS'' and ''Mario 64'' comparison makes sense because the two are often paired up together when they are talked about, and ''Mario 64 DS'' expanded on some things from ''Mario 64'', just like ''Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions'' expanded on some things from ''Superstar Saga''. The two games have generally the same story, so to call one of them "new" is wrong and betrays the continuity--in fact, calling it new itself can cause its own continuity holes. And in fact, if you yourself called ''Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions'' an updated re-release of the original ''Superstar Saga'', then how is there a new story? It sounds like more like an untold story to me. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:07, 29 January 2018 (EST) | ::::::I'm not defining "revision" wrong, I'm just saying there is not enough of a difference to call it a retcon or a ''significant'' revision. Also, the ''Mario 64 DS'' and ''Mario 64'' comparison makes sense because the two are often paired up together when they are talked about, and ''Mario 64 DS'' expanded on some things from ''Mario 64'', just like ''Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions'' expanded on some things from ''Superstar Saga''. The two games have generally the same story, so to call one of them "new" is wrong and betrays the continuity--in fact, calling it new itself can cause its own continuity holes. And in fact, if you yourself called ''Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions'' an updated re-release of the original ''Superstar Saga'', then how is there a new story? It sounds like more like an untold story to me. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:07, 29 January 2018 (EST) | ||
:::::::It is ''not'' a retcon. In fact, there are not enough changes to even ''make'' this a retcon. Just because there were no Mechawfuls in the original does not make the game a retcon on its own, and even then, it is only Captain Goomba and his squad that faces them. They were made for the untold adventure, and their role in the plot is such that it does not really change the story of the game much. And when all is said and done, the two stories are too closely tied and connected with each other that it sounds more like the untold story really ''is'' the untold adventure after all. I think Nintendo was deliberately somewhat ambiguous with the story of the original game when it came to these moments so it could make the untold story an untold story. A retcon has to be a ''significant'' revision, which is something that the untold story lacks. And plus, what do you think betraying the continuity means? And no, ''Mario 64'' and ''Mario 64 DS'' are not even ''close'' to being totally different games in terms of story--in fact, they are too ''similar'' in terms of story. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:19, 29 January 2018 (EST) | :::::::It is ''not'' a retcon. In fact, there are not enough changes to even ''make'' this a retcon. Just because there were no Mechawfuls in the original does not make the game a retcon on its own, and even then, it is only Captain Goomba and his squad that faces them. They were made for the untold adventure, and their role in the plot is such that it does not really change the story of the game much. And when all is said and done, the two stories are too closely tied and connected with each other that it sounds more like the untold story really ''is'' the untold adventure after all. I think Nintendo was deliberately somewhat ambiguous with the story of the original game when it came to these moments so it could make the untold story an untold story. A retcon has to be a ''significant'' revision, which is something that the untold story lacks. And plus, what do you think betraying the continuity means? And no, ''Mario 64'' and ''Mario 64 DS'' are not even ''close'' to being totally different games in terms of story--in fact, they are too ''similar'' in terms of story. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:19, 29 January 2018 (EST) | ||
:::::::''Those are not even significant enough to BE retconning.'' They are just minor changes that do not have much of an impact on the story to throw it off track into something different. In fact, they do the opposite at times--they ''expand'' the story. To be honest, I think Yoshi's roles in ''Mario 64'' and ''Mario 64 DS'' ''are'' reconcilable because he's on the roof in both games. A retcon is a ''significant'' revision, and we don't have that here. The stories are not being thrown off track or reimagined, they are being expanded and somewhat retold. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:42, 29 January 2018 (EST) | |||