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:::Tough call, I know how you want every named ''Mario''-related thing to have an article, SoS, but how much could we really write about these songs? How long they are, what CDs and/or video games they're in, whose theme songs they are (if applicable), the actual lyrics... but what else? Maybe all the officially-named songs should be put in articles for the CDs they're released on (to make sure we don't end up with a bunch of stubs that get deleted). And as DP said, all the unnamed songs can just be part of the game articles. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
:::Tough call, I know how you want every named ''Mario''-related thing to have an article, SoS, but how much could we really write about these songs? How long they are, what CDs and/or video games they're in, whose theme songs they are (if applicable), the actual lyrics... but what else? Maybe all the officially-named songs should be put in articles for the CDs they're released on (to make sure we don't end up with a bunch of stubs that get deleted). And as DP said, all the unnamed songs can just be part of the game articles. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]


==="What Other Users Think Of Me Lists"===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT REMOVE 11-7</span>
These things are just dumb. We got rid of Cool User Lists, and these are only worse. As you can most likely see, they have caused nothing but bad, and flame wars. Some of these might be OK(Like [[User:Xzelion|Xzelion's]]), but others go over the limit(Like [[User:Pokemon DP|Pokemon DP's]], even if they are all MY quotes. <_<). These are mostly just the depressed people trying to make themselves look more hated, anyway, *continues into a long rant about DP that would getting him ****ing banned if he actually said it*. Therefor, I propose that we ban these, as we did with the Cool User Lists(Which NEVER ACTUALLY CAUSED ANYTHING!).
'''Proposer''': [[User:Uniju :D|Uniju :D]]<br>
'''Deadline''': Oct. 28, 2007, 15:00
====Remove====
#{{User|Uniju :D}}I am the proposer, and, blah, blah, blah...
#{{User|Moogle}} Just as bad as the cool users list.
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Same boat as Cool Users lists. If someone really wants to know about someones past, they can look in the contribution history.
#{{User|Shroobario}} Is wrost then Cool user list and Hated User list (if they existed) make people think bad things of other users! Everyone has a bad point but you should just see the good ones!
#{{User|Stumpers}} My vote is in responce to DP's staement that the Wiki has a right to know.  If you have an issue with another user that isn't publically on the Wiki, it deserves to remain private.  And really, why post it here just because an issue is related to the Wiki?  If it matters that much sysops should be contacted to resolve the issue.
#{{User|King Mario}} I agree with all of the users above
#{{User|Plumber}} Per Stumpers, '''strongly'''. It is not the wiki's business to know of every arguement someone has with somebody.
====Keep====
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} Hey, if someone flames someone, the Wiki has a right to know about it! These lists show which people have flamed who, allowing them to get what they deserve when they flame. And, you only made this proposal because you are mad at me for adding all of your flames towards me onto my list. You coult end up becoming banned for what you wrote on this Proposal!
#[[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] Just cause its for good intentions. So what? If you act like a lurdo [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lurdo] everyone should know 'bout it.
#[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] - See my comment below.
#{{User|Peachycakes 3.14}} I was against getting rid of cool user lists, and now people are still getting into flame wars without them. But i'm still against restricting stuff you can put on your userpage.
#{{User|Time Q}} Per Peachycakes, just because ''some'' might misuse it doesn't mean for me that nobody should be allowed to use it.
#[[User:Fly_Guy_2]] Pokemon DP's right.
#{{User|Cobold}} - Put on your user page what you want. If there is flaming because of it, then ban the flaming. No reason to fight the cause, there are not too many incidents around.
#{{User|Master Crash}} Not all these quotes are negative, i mean quotes like what Zach121 has is good, or funny ones like 3d's Waluigi and Petey stuff.
#{{User|Xzelion}} Per all, Besides mine are only kept for humor. >.>
#[[User:Mr. Guy|Mr. Guy]] Per DP, thouugh I don't have one
#{{User|3dejong}} sure, some people add stupid flames, but some like putting funny qoutes or what some people think is good about them in their lists.
====Comments====
DP: -_-' Why do YOU ALWAYS THINK THAT MY REASONS ARE SELF-CENTERED? WHY THE H*** CAN'T YOU JUST DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT I'M NOT DOING THINGS FOR ONLY MYSELF!!!!! {{User|Uniju :D}}
:Did I see some anger? It is the path to the dark side![http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_side] [[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]]
::Whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, Uniju. You continue like that, you will get in BIG trouble. {{User|Pokemon DP}}
I think we should just change it to "Feedback". There should be no negative things. This wiki is not about pointing out if someone says something rude. Why can't people just ignore it?{{User|Purple Yoshi}}
:If you flame someone, you should get in trouble for it. You shouldn't be able to get away with anything bad that you do. {{User|Pokemon DP}}
::Which is why we have Sysops, suspensions and bans. Making black-lists only adds to the problem. -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]] 15:13, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
That's true, just don't overdo it. We all know about what happens if it happens a lot, even without quotes.{{User|Purple Yoshi}}
When I made this list, I had a purely humoristic  goal in mind, I didn't try to make myself look hated and other non-sense. You are about the only one that take these lists seriously, and the only one to star flame war over them. As Zakor1138 said, if you act like an idiot, it's only natural for the other to know it.
[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid, and the cool user list DID cause my flame wars, check my archive if you don't believe it.]]
DP, I looked at your user page, and you posted countless censored f-bombs.  If Uniju is going to get in trouble for what he posted above, and I posted them on my page wouldn't I be also using the language and the flaming?  I thought we could only use those in quotes of Nintendo characters, etc., so how do we justify this?  I'm not saying this because I think Uniju's comments are justified, by the way.  I'm saying it because I want all of this anger stuff to get gone, quoted or freshly written. {{User|Stumpers}} 01:22, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
i agree with PY.
{{User|Master Crash}}
Most are kept for only humor reasons, however, some are just kept to cause bad blood in the case of Pokemon DP. Therefore if they all stay, the bad blood intensifies, and if they leave, then the bad blood evaporates and we can find humor elsewhere. {{User|Plumber}} 08:30, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
:Pokemon DP's page is also a really good example of the intensification.  You can see Uniju's emotions flare as a result.  It makes me wonder if Uniju would have calmed down if the list wasn't there.  Personally, I like User peace and happiness and whatnot, so I hate flame wars.  If these just cause flame wars to last longer, why are we doing them? {{User|Stumpers}} 12:39, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
Uh, this Proposal ended a while ago. :| {{User|Pokemon DP}}
:O rlly? Can I then beg of you to take down your list, not because you have to, but because you're a good, peace-loving person?  *big blue eyes* You couldn't say no to this face, could you? {{User|Stumpers}} 22:10, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::Because I barely have a nice side, no. {{User|Pokemon DP}} In case you didn't catch that answer, I'll say it again. '''No'''.
:::Hmm... someone needs some virtual pie.  Regardless, it's not my issue so I'm butting out of it. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::Thank you. And, I hate pie. {{User|Pokemon DP}} I prefer Pizza.
===Paratroopa Page===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT MERGE 5-2</span>
I think [[Paratroopa]] and [[Red Paratroopa]] should be split into two articles because they're '''different'''. Who agrees?
'''Proposer''': [[User:Fly_Guy_2]]<br>
'''Deadline''': October 29, 2007, 17:00
====Support Split====
#[[User:Fly_Guy_2]] I am the proposer, blah blah blah.
#{{User|Stumpers}} Paratroopa should be a disambiguation page that links to Red and Green Paratroopas.  We don't put Goomba and Gloomba on the same page, so I would support this split.
====Oppose====
#[[User:Mr. Guy]] There the same
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} As Mr. Guy said, they are the exact same thing.
#{{User|Xzelion}} lla rep (Per all)
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] If we split up Green and Red shelled Paratroopas we'd have to make new pages for the Yellow and Blue-shelled variations too. Then we'd have to do the same to the [[Koopa Troopa]] colour morphs to be conistant...
#[[User:Booster|Booster]] Not notable enough to warrant a split. What we have now works.
====Comments====
Umm, then why that red Koopa and normle Koopas toghther in one aarticle? Well that's your anser. Also Fly Guy, you've added some useles info o other pages {{User|Mr. Guy}}
:Pokémon DP, they are not exactly the same. In classical Mario platformers, Green Paratroopers cannot really fly, but merely jump around, and Red Paratroopas fly in the air. This is the same way in Super Smash Bros. Melee, by the way. - {{User|Cobold}} 05:23, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
::"If we split up Green and Red shelled Paratroopas we'd have to make new pages for the Yellow and Blue-shelled variations too. Then we'd have to do the same to the Koopa Troopa colour morphs to be conistant..." (Quote from above...) What's so bad about that?  Sure, it's work, but we're a Wiki!  <cheerleader> "We write, fight, oh, yeah, that's right!" </cheerleader> {{User|Stumpers}} 17:08, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
:::The problem is that aside from their walking speeds there is no difference between blue and yellow Koopas except thier shell colour. All the differences between the various colours of Shells are already described on their respective pages ([[Red Shell]], [[Yellow Shell]], etc.), therefore, so why should we make '''another'' set of articles?. All it will do will get people frustrated at the number of tiny little pages they have to visit when they could have easiy read all the differences between the races on one [[Koopa Troopa]] page. Then there are the exceptions to the rule (like [[Parakarry]] and his ''light'' blue shell). Finally, you can look at the Koopa Troopa species from a biological point of view. For instance, there are three colour morphs of the Common Grackle, but in field guides they only have one article for the entire species, in which they describe (and picture) the different morphs. That one article includes just as much information as three differenet ones would have, only it was more effective in delivering that info in a clear and percise manner, making it easier to follow than three articles might be, making it better. We want to be a profesional Wiki, and what better way to acomplish this than to emulate the professionals. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
::::Good point.  I also just remembered that if you beat a Koopa out of his shell, he can enter a shell of a different color.  That doesn't change his species, though.  You win. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:50, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::Wow, I didn't even think about [[Beach Koopa|Beach Koopas]]! Kudos to you! - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
::::::Gracias... although it makes me feel like a huge nerd that I knew htat. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:12, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::::You think ''you're'' a nerd? I'm the one applying ornithological practices to classifying Koopas! It's actually one of my goals in life to come up with an evolutionary chain for all Koopa species and then come up with a scientific classification system complete with Latin names! Now ''that's'' nerdy! - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
===Time Machines Page===
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 9-0</span>
The [[Time Machine]] page consists of three officially named (one being conjectural) Time Machines, all with significant content to have its own article. Also they effect gameplay (sorta).
'''Proposer''': {{user|Xzelion}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 29th, 17:00
====Support Split====
#{{User|Xzelion}} Per Above
#[[User:Booster|Booster]] -- Three of them are officially named, and have different designs and functions.
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all.
#[[User:Dodoman|Dodoman]] - Per all (except Walkazo >_>).
#{{User|Stumpers}} On one condition: see below.
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} Per all.
#{{User|Purple Yoshi}}-They are from different games, and are for different things.
#{{User|Time Q}} Per all.
#[[User:MOP|MOP]] - And it is in the Gadd inventions list.
====Oppose Split====
====Comments====
My vote stands as long as we can use the [[Time Machine]] page to discuss the concept of time machines... and we could do double duty by listing time machines on the article and making it a psudo-disambiguation page. Sound good?  Of course, if you want to just make the article disambiguation until someone gets around to writing it, be my guest. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:45, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
:I agree, there is also an unnamed time machine appearing in [[Super Mario: Verloren in der Zeit|this comic]] which could excellently be placed on the [[Time Machine]] page. {{User|Time Q}}
::Both good ideas. And Dodoman: "except Walkazo"? Pourquoi?!? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
:::Speaking of that comic, does anyone here speak German? {{User|Stumpers}} 01:25, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
::::At least two users are from Germany and have wonderful English: [[User:Time Q|Time Q]] and [[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]].  -- [[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::I am from Germany... - {{User|Cobold}} 13:54, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
::::::Good to know, Sos and Cobold! {{User|Stumpers}} 12:40, 27 October 2007 (EDT)


===Pie For Everyone===
===Pie For Everyone===
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{{User|Master Crash}}
{{User|Master Crash}}


===Discuss what goes on the Main Page===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REFUSED 5-1</span>
Today I finally took a look at the stuff featured on the Main Page, and saw this in "Did You Know?": <br> "Ax Mummies are ax-wielding mummies [...]" <br> Yeah... as elaborate as that is, I don't think it's absolutely neccessary for information like that to be on the first page people come across on our Wiki.
So, I'm proposing that we have weekly discussions on what kind of stuff makes it to the main page; this includes what's worthy of the news section, what quotes we should use, etc. etc. etc.
'''Proposer:''' [[User:Dodoman|Dodoman]]<br>
'''Deadline:''' Nov 3, 2007, 21:00
====Yes to Discussions====
#[[User:Dodoman|Dodo]] I'm the proposer, yada yada.
====No to Discussions====
#[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] - That takes a lot of time.  Anyone can change those main page boxes, so if something is wrong or is unneeded, you can simply change it.  You can also discuss what should be in those boxes on the template talk pages, in case their is a conflict.
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per SoS and Wayoshi.
#{{User|Cobold}} - I excuse for my bad choices of Trivia items in this section. I guess it would be better if anyone except me would actually be working on it. This is not the case. Why discuss on it when you're not working?
#{{User|Stumpers}} - Sometimes, it seems like there's so much politics that I don't want to touch things because I'm afraid of the reaction.  Please don't make the main page like that, too!  Besides, trivia is supposed to be about new articles, so there's not much to argue about.  Look at the recent changes, then edit.  BAM!
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} - Per all.
====Comments====
I'm sure it was just a minor lazy mishap. Everything in [[MarioWiki:Maintenance/Main Page]] has worked so far. {{User|Wayoshi}} 20:56, 28 October 2007 (EDT)


===Special Mainpage===
===Special Mainpage===
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I could see a special main-page for April Fool, but otherwise, that seem pretty useless.
I could see a special main-page for April Fool, but otherwise, that seem pretty useless.
[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]]
[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]]


===Quotes?===
===Quotes?===
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{{User|Master Crash}}
{{User|Master Crash}}
==="What Other Users Think Of Me Lists"===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT REMOVE 11-7</span>
These things are just dumb. We got rid of Cool User Lists, and these are only worse. As you can most likely see, they have caused nothing but bad, and flame wars. Some of these might be OK(Like [[User:Xzelion|Xzelion's]]), but others go over the limit(Like [[User:Pokemon DP|Pokemon DP's]], even if they are all MY quotes. <_<). These are mostly just the depressed people trying to make themselves look more hated, anyway, *continues into a long rant about DP that would getting him ****ing banned if he actually said it*. Therefor, I propose that we ban these, as we did with the Cool User Lists(Which NEVER ACTUALLY CAUSED ANYTHING!).
'''Proposer''': [[User:Uniju :D|Uniju :D]]<br>
'''Deadline''': Oct. 28, 2007, 15:00
====Remove====
#{{User|Uniju :D}}I am the proposer, and, blah, blah, blah...
#{{User|Moogle}} Just as bad as the cool users list.
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Same boat as Cool Users lists. If someone really wants to know about someones past, they can look in the contribution history.
#{{User|Shroobario}} Is wrost then Cool user list and Hated User list (if they existed) make people think bad things of other users! Everyone has a bad point but you should just see the good ones!
#{{User|Stumpers}} My vote is in responce to DP's staement that the Wiki has a right to know.  If you have an issue with another user that isn't publically on the Wiki, it deserves to remain private.  And really, why post it here just because an issue is related to the Wiki?  If it matters that much sysops should be contacted to resolve the issue.
#{{User|King Mario}} I agree with all of the users above
#{{User|Plumber}} Per Stumpers, '''strongly'''. It is not the wiki's business to know of every arguement someone has with somebody.
====Keep====
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} Hey, if someone flames someone, the Wiki has a right to know about it! These lists show which people have flamed who, allowing them to get what they deserve when they flame. And, you only made this proposal because you are mad at me for adding all of your flames towards me onto my list. You coult end up becoming banned for what you wrote on this Proposal!
#[[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] Just cause its for good intentions. So what? If you act like a lurdo [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lurdo] everyone should know 'bout it.
#[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] - See my comment below.
#{{User|Peachycakes 3.14}} I was against getting rid of cool user lists, and now people are still getting into flame wars without them. But i'm still against restricting stuff you can put on your userpage.
#{{User|Time Q}} Per Peachycakes, just because ''some'' might misuse it doesn't mean for me that nobody should be allowed to use it.
#[[User:Fly_Guy_2]] Pokemon DP's right.
#{{User|Cobold}} - Put on your user page what you want. If there is flaming because of it, then ban the flaming. No reason to fight the cause, there are not too many incidents around.
#{{User|Master Crash}} Not all these quotes are negative, i mean quotes like what Zach121 has is good, or funny ones like 3d's Waluigi and Petey stuff.
#{{User|Xzelion}} Per all, Besides mine are only kept for humor. >.>
#[[User:Mr. Guy|Mr. Guy]] Per DP, thouugh I don't have one
#{{User|3dejong}} sure, some people add stupid flames, but some like putting funny qoutes or what some people think is good about them in their lists.
====Comments====
DP: -_-' Why do YOU ALWAYS THINK THAT MY REASONS ARE SELF-CENTERED? WHY THE H*** CAN'T YOU JUST DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT I'M NOT DOING THINGS FOR ONLY MYSELF!!!!! {{User|Uniju :D}}
:Did I see some anger? It is the path to the dark side![http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_side] [[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]]
::Whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, Uniju. You continue like that, you will get in BIG trouble. {{User|Pokemon DP}}
I think we should just change it to "Feedback". There should be no negative things. This wiki is not about pointing out if someone says something rude. Why can't people just ignore it?{{User|Purple Yoshi}}
:If you flame someone, you should get in trouble for it. You shouldn't be able to get away with anything bad that you do. {{User|Pokemon DP}}
::Which is why we have Sysops, suspensions and bans. Making black-lists only adds to the problem. -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]] 15:13, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
That's true, just don't overdo it. We all know about what happens if it happens a lot, even without quotes.{{User|Purple Yoshi}}
When I made this list, I had a purely humoristic  goal in mind, I didn't try to make myself look hated and other non-sense. You are about the only one that take these lists seriously, and the only one to star flame war over them. As Zakor1138 said, if you act like an idiot, it's only natural for the other to know it.
[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid, and the cool user list DID cause my flame wars, check my archive if you don't believe it.]]
DP, I looked at your user page, and you posted countless censored f-bombs.  If Uniju is going to get in trouble for what he posted above, and I posted them on my page wouldn't I be also using the language and the flaming?  I thought we could only use those in quotes of Nintendo characters, etc., so how do we justify this?  I'm not saying this because I think Uniju's comments are justified, by the way.  I'm saying it because I want all of this anger stuff to get gone, quoted or freshly written. {{User|Stumpers}} 01:22, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
i agree with PY.
{{User|Master Crash}}
Most are kept for only humor reasons, however, some are just kept to cause bad blood in the case of Pokemon DP. Therefore if they all stay, the bad blood intensifies, and if they leave, then the bad blood evaporates and we can find humor elsewhere. {{User|Plumber}} 08:30, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
:Pokemon DP's page is also a really good example of the intensification.  You can see Uniju's emotions flare as a result.  It makes me wonder if Uniju would have calmed down if the list wasn't there.  Personally, I like User peace and happiness and whatnot, so I hate flame wars.  If these just cause flame wars to last longer, why are we doing them? {{User|Stumpers}} 12:39, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
Uh, this Proposal ended a while ago. :| {{User|Pokemon DP}}
:O rlly? Can I then beg of you to take down your list, not because you have to, but because you're a good, peace-loving person?  *big blue eyes* You couldn't say no to this face, could you? {{User|Stumpers}} 22:10, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::Because I barely have a nice side, no. {{User|Pokemon DP}} In case you didn't catch that answer, I'll say it again. '''No'''.
:::Hmm... someone needs some virtual pie.  Regardless, it's not my issue so I'm butting out of it. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::Thank you. And, I hate pie. {{User|Pokemon DP}} I prefer Pizza.
===Discuss what goes on the Main Page===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REFUSED 5-1</span>
Today I finally took a look at the stuff featured on the Main Page, and saw this in "Did You Know?": <br> "Ax Mummies are ax-wielding mummies [...]" <br> Yeah... as elaborate as that is, I don't think it's absolutely neccessary for information like that to be on the first page people come across on our Wiki.
So, I'm proposing that we have weekly discussions on what kind of stuff makes it to the main page; this includes what's worthy of the news section, what quotes we should use, etc. etc. etc.
'''Proposer:''' [[User:Dodoman|Dodoman]]<br>
'''Deadline:''' Nov 3, 2007, 21:00
====Yes to Discussions====
#[[User:Dodoman|Dodo]] I'm the proposer, yada yada.
====No to Discussions====
#[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] - That takes a lot of time.  Anyone can change those main page boxes, so if something is wrong or is unneeded, you can simply change it.  You can also discuss what should be in those boxes on the template talk pages, in case their is a conflict.
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per SoS and Wayoshi.
#{{User|Cobold}} - I excuse for my bad choices of Trivia items in this section. I guess it would be better if anyone except me would actually be working on it. This is not the case. Why discuss on it when you're not working?
#{{User|Stumpers}} - Sometimes, it seems like there's so much politics that I don't want to touch things because I'm afraid of the reaction.  Please don't make the main page like that, too!  Besides, trivia is supposed to be about new articles, so there's not much to argue about.  Look at the recent changes, then edit.  BAM!
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} - Per all.
====Comments====
I'm sure it was just a minor lazy mishap. Everything in [[MarioWiki:Maintenance/Main Page]] has worked so far. {{User|Wayoshi}} 20:56, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
===Paratroopa Page===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT MERGE 5-2</span>
I think [[Paratroopa]] and [[Red Paratroopa]] should be split into two articles because they're '''different'''. Who agrees?
'''Proposer''': [[User:Fly_Guy_2]]<br>
'''Deadline''': October 29, 2007, 17:00
====Support Split====
#[[User:Fly_Guy_2]] I am the proposer, blah blah blah.
#{{User|Stumpers}} Paratroopa should be a disambiguation page that links to Red and Green Paratroopas.  We don't put Goomba and Gloomba on the same page, so I would support this split.
====Oppose====
#[[User:Mr. Guy]] There the same
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} As Mr. Guy said, they are the exact same thing.
#{{User|Xzelion}} lla rep (Per all)
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] If we split up Green and Red shelled Paratroopas we'd have to make new pages for the Yellow and Blue-shelled variations too. Then we'd have to do the same to the [[Koopa Troopa]] colour morphs to be conistant...
#[[User:Booster|Booster]] Not notable enough to warrant a split. What we have now works.
====Comments====
Umm, then why that red Koopa and normle Koopas toghther in one aarticle? Well that's your anser. Also Fly Guy, you've added some useles info o other pages {{User|Mr. Guy}}
:Pokémon DP, they are not exactly the same. In classical Mario platformers, Green Paratroopers cannot really fly, but merely jump around, and Red Paratroopas fly in the air. This is the same way in Super Smash Bros. Melee, by the way. - {{User|Cobold}} 05:23, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
::"If we split up Green and Red shelled Paratroopas we'd have to make new pages for the Yellow and Blue-shelled variations too. Then we'd have to do the same to the Koopa Troopa colour morphs to be conistant..." (Quote from above...) What's so bad about that?  Sure, it's work, but we're a Wiki!  <cheerleader> "We write, fight, oh, yeah, that's right!" </cheerleader> {{User|Stumpers}} 17:08, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
:::The problem is that aside from their walking speeds there is no difference between blue and yellow Koopas except thier shell colour. All the differences between the various colours of Shells are already described on their respective pages ([[Red Shell]], [[Yellow Shell]], etc.), therefore, so why should we make '''another'' set of articles?. All it will do will get people frustrated at the number of tiny little pages they have to visit when they could have easiy read all the differences between the races on one [[Koopa Troopa]] page. Then there are the exceptions to the rule (like [[Parakarry]] and his ''light'' blue shell). Finally, you can look at the Koopa Troopa species from a biological point of view. For instance, there are three colour morphs of the Common Grackle, but in field guides they only have one article for the entire species, in which they describe (and picture) the different morphs. That one article includes just as much information as three differenet ones would have, only it was more effective in delivering that info in a clear and percise manner, making it easier to follow than three articles might be, making it better. We want to be a profesional Wiki, and what better way to acomplish this than to emulate the professionals. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
::::Good point.  I also just remembered that if you beat a Koopa out of his shell, he can enter a shell of a different color.  That doesn't change his species, though.  You win. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:50, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::Wow, I didn't even think about [[Beach Koopa|Beach Koopas]]! Kudos to you! - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
::::::Gracias... although it makes me feel like a huge nerd that I knew htat. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:12, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::::You think ''you're'' a nerd? I'm the one applying ornithological practices to classifying Koopas! It's actually one of my goals in life to come up with an evolutionary chain for all Koopa species and then come up with a scientific classification system complete with Latin names! Now ''that's'' nerdy! - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
===Time Machines Page===
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 9-0</span>
The [[Time Machine]] page consists of three officially named (one being conjectural) Time Machines, all with significant content to have its own article. Also they effect gameplay (sorta).
'''Proposer''': {{user|Xzelion}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 29th, 17:00
====Support Split====
#{{User|Xzelion}} Per Above
#[[User:Booster|Booster]] -- Three of them are officially named, and have different designs and functions.
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all.
#[[User:Dodoman|Dodoman]] - Per all (except Walkazo >_>).
#{{User|Stumpers}} On one condition: see below.
#{{User|Pokemon DP}} Per all.
#{{User|Purple Yoshi}}-They are from different games, and are for different things.
#{{User|Time Q}} Per all.
#[[User:MOP|MOP]] - And it is in the Gadd inventions list.
====Oppose Split====
====Comments====
My vote stands as long as we can use the [[Time Machine]] page to discuss the concept of time machines... and we could do double duty by listing time machines on the article and making it a psudo-disambiguation page. Sound good?  Of course, if you want to just make the article disambiguation until someone gets around to writing it, be my guest. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:45, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
:I agree, there is also an unnamed time machine appearing in [[Super Mario: Verloren in der Zeit|this comic]] which could excellently be placed on the [[Time Machine]] page. {{User|Time Q}}
::Both good ideas. And Dodoman: "except Walkazo"? Pourquoi?!? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
:::Speaking of that comic, does anyone here speak German? {{User|Stumpers}} 01:25, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
::::At least two users are from Germany and have wonderful English: [[User:Time Q|Time Q]] and [[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]].  -- [[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::I am from Germany... - {{User|Cobold}} 13:54, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
::::::Good to know, Sos and Cobold! {{User|Stumpers}} 12:40, 27 October 2007 (EDT)


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