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Overall, we do not prefer colloquial, outdated, or secondary terms to current official names, and I see no reason to exempt the concept of a platforming course from our naming policies. Please tell me if I am missing anything, or if I should try to make this into a proper new proposal. [[User:AgentMuffin|AgentMuffin]] ([[User talk:AgentMuffin|talk]]) 19:00, April 17, 2023 (EDT)
Overall, we do not prefer colloquial, outdated, or secondary terms to current official names, and I see no reason to exempt the concept of a platforming course from our naming policies. Please tell me if I am missing anything, or if I should try to make this into a proper new proposal. [[User:AgentMuffin|AgentMuffin]] ([[User talk:AgentMuffin|talk]]) 19:00, April 17, 2023 (EDT)
:Strong support. The latest Mario game to use the term "level" was ''[[Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge]]'', 7 years ago, and that game comes from a series that has used inconsistent terminology such as "room" and "area" to refer to the concept of discrete, but interconnected, gameplay set-pieces. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:27, April 17, 2023 (EDT)
:Strong support. The latest Mario game to use the term "level" was ''[[Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge]]'', 7 years ago, and that game comes from a series that has used inconsistent terminology such as "room" and "area" to refer to the concept of discrete, but interconnected, gameplay set-pieces. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:27, April 17, 2023 (EDT)
::I still think "level" is the best option especially for a gaming wiki. I don't have precise numbers but "level" is likely used way more across the wiki than "course". I think renaming this article to "course" is going to create pretty annoying piping and redirect issues when "level" is a far more familiar term (and it's far from a dated term). Not to mention, should we rename all the subcategories in [[:Category:Levels]], rename our various navigation templates (or parts of navigation templates) like {{tem|YIDS levels}}, rename our templates {{tem|level infobox}}, to reflect the new preferred naming scheme? Or do we just stop at article name and article content, where we create this discrepancy where we just semi-endorse the new term? Additionally, this assumes the scope is limited to the 2D ''Mario'' platformers; there's no guarantee that the gameplay elements will are also called "courses" in other series such as ''Super Smash Bros.'', various Mario Sports games, or in Paper Mario, so do we apply "course" to those too? Or do we keep "course" just for 2D Mario levels? That's not going to be good for wiki editors, a lot of restructuring over relatively minor semantics, a lot of headache over the extent of how we should apply these changes. We do try to adhere to naming guidelines most of the time, but these are guidelines in the end, and I don't think these guidelines were written with generic, versatile terminology in mind. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:50, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
::I still think "level" is the best option especially for a gaming wiki. I don't have precise numbers but "level" is likely used way more across the wiki than "course". I think renaming this article to "course" is going to create pretty annoying piping and redirect issues when "level" is a far more familiar term (and it's far from a dated term). Not to mention, should we rename all the subcategories in [[:Category:Levels]], rename our various navigation templates (or parts of navigation templates) like {{tem|YIDS levels}}, rename our templates {{tem|level infobox}}, to reflect the new preferred naming scheme? Or do we just stop at article name and article content, where we create this discrepancy where we just semi-endorse the new term? Additionally, this assumes the scope is limited to the 2D ''Mario'' platformers; there's no guarantee that the gameplay elements are also called "courses" in other series such as ''Super Smash Bros.'', various Mario Sports games, or in Paper Mario, so do we apply "course" to those too? Or do we keep "course" just for 2D Mario levels? That's not going to be good for wiki editors, a lot of restructuring over relatively minor semantics, a lot of headache over the extent of how we should apply these changes. We do try to adhere to naming guidelines most of the time, but these are guidelines in the end, and I don't think these guidelines were written with generic, versatile terminology in mind. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:50, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
:::You do realize we can just use [[User:PorpleBot|PorpleBot]] to rename "level" to "course" right? Porple designed it for tasks like that, which would otherwise take ages to fix normally. In fact, just the other day PorpleBot removed all the "MW:[TEXT]" redirects and replaced all instances of them with "SMW:[TEXT]" (for reasons I do not understand in the slightest, that just made "MW" redirect to media wiki, but it still shows we have the means to update a lot of terminology really quickly). And regarding your inquiry, Smash uses "stages", Paper Mario uses "chapter", and the Mario Sports series use "courses", so there would not be a conflict there. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 21:22, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
Technically, PMSS & PMCS both use "Course" for areas of gameplay, like [[Leaflitter Path|"W3-1: Leaflitter Path]]" and "[[Ruddy Road]]", and upon grabbing/Hitting a [[Comet Piece]] or  [[Mini Paint Star]], the "Course Clear!" Message appears, so the Paper Mario series does use "Course". Sorry! I'm an anonymous user, don't question me about not signing this. {{unsigned|106.69.169.5}}
::At least have course as a redirect. It currently goes to the glossary, and it's not even there! [[Special:Contributions/203.87.0.106|203.87.0.106]] 11:46, May 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::Yeah that was an oversight. The level page itself turned into a redirect at one point, so a bot tried to fix the double redirect. It should redirect appropriately now. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:03, May 21, 2023 (EDT)
 
I know I'm late to this but I'm surprised no one seems to have brought up how in [[Yamamura's Dojo]] in Mario Maker 2, there's literally a running joke where Yamamura gets annoyed at Nina incorrectly using the term "levels" instead of "courses". That feels to me like an incredibly clear confirmation of the preferred official name. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:42, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
 
== More Arguments For Course ==
 
To start this of fresh, I'd like to ask when the last time you saw "Level" instead of "Course" in an official, main-series Super Mario game (Not counting remakes). I'd like to see you folks out there try! Now, my list of reasons:
 
1: Course is used in SMM and SMM2, meaning it's recent AND official.
 
2: Level is an outdated term in case of Mario games, last appearing in Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3, which happens to be a stinkin' REMAKE!
 
3: Level was only IMPLIED in SMB:TLL, because of it's English name. (Which isn't even a proper translation!)
 
4: In the NSMB series, Course is used.
 
5: "Course" refers to certain areas in some Paper Mario games.
 
6: You could make an article about Mariokart racecourses if you want to distinguish them.
 
7: How many times do I need to say "Course" to convince you? Here goes: Course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course course.
 
 
Those are my reasons. Start a poll if you want to, or AT LEAST answer my question above. [[Special:Contributions/115.64.13.206|115.64.13.206]] 06:55, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Replace this page. ==
 
The only reason this page exists is to be a list of course themes. Why not have page called "[[Theme|Themes]]" instead? Besides, that way we could make it more comprehensive. {{unsigned|DogeKakesDaKing}}
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