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 To all of us Princess Peach supporters here on this article, as you all know, a new art of our lead Mario girl has surfaced. Specifically this one:
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 As much as it pains me to say this, I believe it's time for us to change the main picture for this article to the one that I just posted here. The current one is the solo picture of her for ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' as you know. However, I plan to see about changing this picture when the ''Super Mario 3D Land'' game itself gets released, if there aren't any objections from you folks. Of course, there's also that solo artwork of Peach for the upcoming ''Fortune Street'', but while impressive, the ''Super Mario 3D Land'' artwork of Peach is the clear winner here.
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 With the recent release of ''Fortune Street'', I was wondering if Peach's artwork for the character infobox should be changed.  There are two options that I can think of, which are the most suitable for the job.
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 Shouldn't Nurse Toadstool have her own page? Dr Mario does even though he's obviously the same as Mario, so why not Nurse Toadstool? [[User:Quizmelon|Quizmelon]] ([[User talk:Quizmelon|talk]]) 00:50, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 :Dr. Mario has appeared in more games and has more statistics (mainly due to his appearance in Smash) whereas Nurse Toadstool has yet to actually appear in a game. She only appears in artworks, but never within the games themselves, so there wouldn't be any information to add. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:51, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+She was in a comic maybe that could make it work. [[User:Kittenpaws01|Kittenpaws01]] ([[User talk:Kittenpaws01|talk]]) 17:46, 25 November 2018 (EST)
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 == ''Super Mario Party'' Peach Promo pictures - which one to use for the infobox when the game releases? ==
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 Okay, same case for using one of the latest Princess Peach promo arts from ''Super Mario Party'' when the game gets released later this week. The only question is, which one of the two pictures should be used?
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 :Voting first picture because it's larger and sharper. Unless someone can find a better image of the second one in two days :P {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:38, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
 ::I was honestly hoping that the press/journalist media would have the promo arts in general for ''Super Mario Party'' in their original sizes by now; still keeping fingers crossed for the best. And I'm still hoping HQ versions of ''both'' these pictures definitely surface in due time. I have no doubt that we're all in agreement that one ''needs'' to be put in the character infobox while the other could be place in the gallery preview section here. --M. C. - [[User:MeritC|Profile]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 18:42, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
+:::I personally prefer the first one as it is more lively and less stiff, although admittedly the second artwork is the quintessential artwork of Peach, the one that fits most games.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 05:57, 4 October 2018 (EDT)
+::::Okay, agreed with Alex95 and Mister Wu about the first picture shown because I'm getting drawn to it as well (although because I also like the "enthusiasm" from Peach herself here as well to represent her overall positive character overall. And I just noticed that someone changed the infobox picture already while I was sleeping. --M. C. - [[User:MeritC|Profile]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 08:57, 6 October 2018 (EDT)
+== Always blonde in artwork? ==
+Hi.
+Wasn't there at least one promotional artwork for ''Super Mario Bros.'' that depicted Peach as a brownie/redhead? This one: https://themushroomkingdom.net/images/mailbag20030731_peach.jpg
+I think we might need to note it (wish I could give you the full image, but I'm having trouble hunting it down. I do know one thing about the image, though: The way it's depicted ended up making ''Mario'' look like the kidnapper instead of her rescuer.). [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 11:01, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
+:I have a full image of this sitting around on a card. I could scan it, but the quality would be terrible. Our [[Princess Peach#Design|design]] section says "strawberry-blonde". {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:19, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
+::That doesn't look strawberry blonde, to be honest. It's actually closer to Ariel's hair color from The Little Mermaid. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 11:47, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
+:::I see brown at first, but I see dark orange when I look at it longer. I think we should just consider it brown. (Also, Ariel's hair is red.) {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 13:12, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
+::::That looks more red to me, or at least auburn. Brown would be more like Belle's hair color or Hitomi's hair color. Anyways, think you guys can at least state where exactly that image originated from so we could note it as a source if we are to note this? [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 21:38, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::I think I remember it being posted by Supper Mario Broth. You can check their main site, Small Mario Findings, or their Twitter. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 10:33, August 18, 2019 (EDT)
+== Princess Peach's powers ==
+Her power of the creation of magical objects should be added. https://youtu.be/vLpNwRY0Ka8?t=176 February 25, 2021 (GMT){{unsigned|176.251.236.76}}
+== Peach new stock artwork, and a change in descriptions for character art. ==
+[[File:PeachJapanwebsite.png|thumb|Peach's 2021 stock artwork.]]
+Peach got a new render for Mario Portal, should we use it? It is game agnostic and used to represent Peach in her normal state. It is also a pose used as the basis for her default Super Mario series amiibo and various games, such as Mario Kart Tour as her icon or Super Smash Bros as her spirit. Like Daisy's 2011 render this is likely intended to be the definitive stock artwork for Peach. Bowser got their 2006 render updated, probably for the same purpose. Should we update their art too and describe it as their "normal" artwork, and change Daisy's description to show that it's her "normal" art? --[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 20:16, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:Wiki policy is to always use art from the most recent game assuming it's standard (i.e. no game-specific items or art quirks) and adequately displays the character. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:22, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::Is that written anywhere? I don't see how it's a hard and fast rule especially as Nintendo have only recently been updating 3D renders of their major Mario characters. We have evidence to suggest Daisy's MKT artwork wasn't intended to be ''just'' used for MKT as it appeared in Mario & Sonic very shortly after. Rosalina's Mario Party Top 100 art showed up in her amiibo beforehand. I think stock 3D art should take priority unless Nintendo updates their renderer, as it's intended to represent the character in a standard fashion.--[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 20:32, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::[[Template:Character infobox|That rule about the image is written here]]. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 20:34, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::: I see. Maybe we should revise that policy to 'ideally - use the character's main 3D pose, unless there is a more suitable pose (i.e - newer artwork that uses updated render techniques that make it of a considerably higher quality)'. Isn't that the reason why we recommend using the newest game? --[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 20:38, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::::You would probably need to do a proposal for that. Regarding Daisy's description, since that specific render is for Mario Kart Tour, we need to say it's for that game. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 20:40, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Technically, we do have at least one exception ([[Fly Guy]], which uses Mario Portal artwork), but it doesn't really ''have'' any other high-quality art that isn't stylized, carrying an item, or with more than one Fly Guy in it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:43, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+Yes, game artwork takes priority. While I don't have anything against using an unassigned artwork that clearly shows the subject, that should be discussed first before changing it. As for the example being used, eh, maybe not. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:57, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
+== Alternate outfits ==
+See [[MarioWiki:Good_writing#Fan_worship]]
+That section needs an entire rewrite. I tried to remove all irrelevant outfits but found out that the entire section is treated like a comprehensive detailing of every outfit she wore that's not a dress. It's making me slightly uncomfortable especially when MarioWiki talks in weird detail. We should keep it focused to just recurring outfits, such as her sports outfits and her bike outfit (and WITHOUT the offputting detail), and then make mention that she does dress up for the occasion in Super Mario Odyssey and maybe talk about how powerups change her appearance. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:05, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
+:Rewrote the section. This article still has a long way to go regarding general appearance. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:17, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
+== Is Princess Peach already married? ==
+I've come across a certain website which shows a very old Mario manga from the 80s where Peach married a prince named Andre. I went on investigating this and I found out the book was published by Keibunsha Books, but since my Japanese is not even basic, I couldn't understand much. Is she really married?
+https://archive.org/details/supermariogaiden2gamebook - This is the gamebook/manga I've mentioned: Super Mario Bros Gaiden 2.
+Besides, here's the link where I got the news - https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2020/09/22/princess-peach-from-super-mario-could-be-married-to-someone-other-than-mario
+As you all can see in the first link, it was written by Rikio Harada and Shina Tachibana, published by Keibunsha Books and licensed by Nintendo.
+How can we interpret this information? What do you guys think? Is it true?
+ [[User:NihilistLuma|NihilistLuma]] ([[User talk:NihilistLuma|talk]]) 13:56, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
+:I wouldn't be surprised. We've covered only a tiny amount of licensed media coming from Japan. Nintendo's Japanese branch is extremely lax in what they allow third-party publishers to do with their characters. An article about this game book can be created because it is [[MarioWiki:Coverage|officially licensed]]. You can read the rules (or lack thereof) on [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|canonicity]]. Ultimately, it is of no importance. After all, Peach has been canonically engaged to another prince and also has been canonically dead too.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 14:29, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
+What?! Peach has been canonically dead? That surprised me more than her "marriage" with Prince Andre. Well I'm trying to find information on the author, Rikio Harada, but there's nothing about him. I'm trying to understand if Keibunsha is just a small library in Japan or some big book company... [[User:NihilistLuma|NihilistLuma]] ([[User talk:NihilistLuma|talk]]) 15:26, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
+I was trying to translate with the phone camera the pages of this book and I found out Crunchyroll was sensationalist. It seems, and I hope someone fluent in Japanese confirms it to me, that Mario was hired to escort Princess Peach and Prince Andrew until their wedding was over. then Peach gets kidnapped. In the end, Peach and Andrew reunite, but they do not marry. The ceremony doesn't happen, it is not shown, neither in written form nor drawn form. Maybe someone could take a look. [[User:NihilistLuma|NihilistLuma]] ([[User talk:NihilistLuma|talk]]) 16:09, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
+== Nurse Toadstool probably needs a separate page again ==
+The [[Super Mario (Kodansha manga)]] has shown her separate from Peach, in the same vein Dr. Mario is his own character separate from Mario. Anyway, uh [[Talk:Nurse Toadstool]] is giving me memories... {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:24, May 19, 2023 (EDT)
+I agree with you. I was on the Mushroom Kingdom Hospital page and clicked on the Nurse Toadstool link and it lead me to the Princess Peach page.
+-Spring_Luigi