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 == Move this page to "''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)" ==
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+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-15|do not move}}
 Here's a quick recap. The [[Super Mario (franchise)|''Super Mario'' franchise]] began with ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'', followed by early ''Super Mario''-branded games, and received a new game called ''[[VS. Wrecking Crew]]'', the first game in the [[Wrecking Crew (series)|''Wrecking Crew'' series]], and eventually, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'', the first game in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, also known as simply the ''Super Mario'' series. The ''Super Mario Bros.'' series is so popular, that it received multiple platformers (with ''[[Super Mario Land]]'' being the first ''Super Mario Bros.'' game whose name starts with ''Super Mario'', an alternate name for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series), followed by the [[Super Mario Bros. 25th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 25th Anniversary]] from September 13, 2010 to January 10, 2011, the [[Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 30th Anniversary]] from April 1, 2015 to December 2015, and the the [[Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 35th Anniversary]] from September 3, 2020 to March 31, 2021. Since the ''Super Mario'' franchise article and the ''Super Mario'' series article may be confusing and/or unclear, I was wondering if there's a possibility to move "''Super Mario'' (series)" to "''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)".
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 ===Oppose===
+#{{User|Swallow}} "Super Mario" still appears to mostly be what Nintendo mostly calls the main series, for one thing a lot of the games don't have "bros" in the title and a lot of them, particularly the big 3D games revolve around just Mario. As for Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary, that's referring to it being the 35th anniversary of the original Super Mario Bros. game
+#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - ''Super Mario Bros.'' is actually [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario Bros. (series)|a distinct subseries]] that does not include the ''Land'' games, the 3D games, or the ''Maker'' games.
+#{{User|ExoRosalina}} Per Swallow, I think both of them are franchise in the entire series, such as other mainline games.
+#{{User|Hewer}} Per Swallow, the main series sharing its name with the franchise is simply the way it is, even if it's somewhat confusing. There's also [[Donkey Kong (franchise)]] and [[Donkey Kong (series)]] for precedent.
+#{{user|Blhte}} Another little thing is, [https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000068687.html "The first completely new installment in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series in nearly ''11'' years"], that's what the promotional material for SMBW confirmed itself.
+#{{User|Pseudo}} Per Swallow and Blhte.
+#{{User|RealStuffMister}} this would imply that spin-offs like Mario Party, Mario Kart and the sports games are all part of the "Super Mario Bros. series", the line of 2D platformers. It makes no sense and goes against what Nintendo has said themselves.
+#{{User|Camwoodstock}} - Per everybody else, but especially Swallow. There's games that Nintendo classifies as parts of this series that flat-out do not have the word "Bros." in them. See the ''Maker'' games, the ''Land'' games, the 3D Platformers, and most importantly ''[[Super Mario World]]''.
+#{{User|Sdman213}} Definitely Per all.
+#{{User|ToxicOJ}} Per all, especially Swallow, Doc von Schmeltwick, and Blhte.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
+#{{User|Mateo}} Per my comment, Blhte, and Nintendo themselves.
+#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
+#{{User|MegaBowser64}} *cough* *sigh* yeah we could definitely have a Super Mario Bros. series article but only for actual SMB games... *sigh*
+#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
 ===Comments===
+If you're declining the move, then what do you think a better way is to do? {{User:GuntherBB/sig}} 12:34, September 8, 2023 (EDT)
+:Just leave it as is. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:37, September 8, 2023 (EDT)
+:We could try having an ''additional'' page for the actual ''Super Mario Bros.'' series I linked above (along with other subseries), but that still needs the kinks ironed out. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:28, September 9, 2023 (EDT)
+Just want to clarify so that there's no misunderstandings about this in the future: The official distinction Nintendo made in the previously mentioned [https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000068687.html page] (English equivalent [https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/nintendo-direct-june-2023-recap/ here]) and the also relevant [https://mario.nintendo.com/history/ official timeline] is that ''all'' mainline games starting with ''Super Mario Bros. 1'' are part of the ''Super Mario'' series, while the traditional full-fledged 2D ''Mario'' games (not ''Super Mario Maker'' and ''Super Mario Run'')  are part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series. [[User:Mateo|Mateo]] ([[User talk:Mateo|talk]]) 18:53, September 12, 2023 (EDT)
+By the way, to everyone who want to create page for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, the [https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/article/6e4c7b40-bd33-4556-8ec3-0c865904ef13 official list of (most likely mainline) games in SMB series] just came out. {{User:Blhte/sig}} 23:34, September 12, 2023 (EDT)
+:That includes ''Land'' but not ''Land 2'', and ''Land'' itself is debatable since it doesn't have Luigi even implied; it also lacks SMW2, which aside from the English super-title in the final, was also called "Super Mario Bros. 5" internationally until fairly late in development from what I can tell. Are you sure that's the ''Bros.'' series and not just select ''Super Mario'' games? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:40, September 12, 2023 (EDT)
+::Sorry again I just saw "Here are some side-scrolling action games from the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series" now... That's might means some of them were not mentioned? But I think expect SML2 everyone in mainline was here {{User:Blhte/sig}} 00:12, September 13, 2023 (EDT)
+:::NSMB2 was also neglected, they were just giving examples. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:43, September 13, 2023 (EDT)
+==Memoryman3==
+We do know now that ''Super Mario Run'' and the ''Super Mario Maker'' series don't count as mainline Super Mario Bros. games by Nintendo's own definitions. Should we categorise the games as 2D, 3D and then Other?--[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 08:06, October 6, 2023 (EDT)
+:There are four subseries here: ''Super Mario Bros.'' (itself including the ''Super Mario Advance'' and ''New Super Mario Bros.'' subseries), ''Super Mario Land'', ''Super Mario 3D'' (including the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' subseries), and ''Super Mario Maker''. ''Run'' is the odd one out; I had it categorized as a ''Bros.'' game until Nintendo themselves said ''Wonder'' is the first fully-new one in so-and-so years. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:11, October 6, 2023 (EDT)
+:::Nintendo includes the ''Super Mario Land'' games as part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series nowadays, even if many elements weren't naturalised into other games. I would categorise ''Run'', ''Mario 35'' and the ''Maker'' series in other for now, acknowledging they aren't traditional fully fledged entries as Nintendo did, but still recognising them as parts of the greater ''Super Mario'' series. What should we do with the related games, namely ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' and ''Super Mario Land 3''? --[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 12:32, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
+::::When has ''Land'' been treated as a ''Bros.'' game rather than just another ''Super Mario'' side-scroller (as the thing brought up in the comments on the proposal was determined to be the latter)? ''Capt. Toad'' I'd say is a spinoff of ''3D World'', but still more of it's own "series" (counting the remake) than an actual subcategory of ''Super Mario''. And since ''35'' is a variation on the original ''Super Mario Bros.'', it'd be considered part of that series regardless, like ''Super Mario Bros. Special'', albeit not as a "main" installment. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:04, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
+:::::On that very same link pointing to the official Nintendo news blog. ''Land'' was given as an example of a game in the main ''Super Mario Bros.'' series. --[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 18:36, October 24, 2023 (EDT)
+::::::But not ''Land 2''. Or ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'', and it's definitely part of it. I think that's just a list of cherry-picked side-scrollers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:28, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
+:::::::{{@|Doc von Schmeltwick|Memoryman3}} I'm currently making a ''Super Mario Franchise'' rewrite inspired by Doc's [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario Bros. (series)|series]] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario 3D (series)|projects]] & the various proposals on sub-series and whatnot. WIP project at bottom of userpage.{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:23, April 5, 2024 (CST)
+== Is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island also a Super Mario series game? ==
+{{talk}}
+We know that it's obviously a Yoshi game starring Mario, but when I saw a [[:File:Mario Day 2023 NSO.jpg|particular image]], I began to wonder if it could also count as a ''Super Mario'' platforming game. The ''Super Mario Advance'' games also has ''Super Mario'' 2D sidescrollers for the Game Boy Advance, except the third game ''[[Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3]]'' is a remake of ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''. Both the original and remake have "''Super Mario''" in their name, so it's definitely part of the ''Super Mario'' brand, but is it linked to the ''Super Mario'' sidescrolling platformers? The Japanese name also has "''Super Mario''" (スーパーマリオ, ''Sūpā Mario'') as the first part of the title, followed by ''Yoshi's Island'' (ヨッシーアイランド, ''Yosshī Airando''). [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 11:37, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
+:It was actually subtitled ''Super Mario Bros. 5'' in development. So while it may or may not be a ''Super Mario'' game, it absolutely is a ''Super Mario '''Bros.''''' game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:26, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
+::Said image also lists Super Mario Advance 4, which is in the "Ports, remakes, and compilations" section, NOT the Main Games section. We'd have to add that as well. But then we'd have to deal with everything else in that section. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 09:39, January 31, 2024 (CST)
+== Link issues ==
+Link 4 is broken, and links 5, 8, and 9 are the same. I personally lack the technical knowhow to be able to fix this so I figured I'd alert other people on the wiki.{{unsigned|66.30.148.99}}
+:Can you be more specific? What and where is link 4 etc? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:20, November 9, 2023 (EST)
+::They're referring to the references, they're fixed now. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 20:21, November 9, 2023 (EST)