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This proposal aims to add a gender parameter to the character infobox. As stated in an above section, several other NIWA wikis have a gender parameter in their infobox, and I also wondered why this wiki doesn't do the same. I don't know if there's much of a case to make for adding a gender parameter, because several characters have a gender (just like how characters are each a different species), so it would make sense to add that characteristic into an infobox. | This proposal aims to add a gender parameter to the character infobox. As stated in an above section, several other NIWA wikis have a gender parameter in their infobox, and I also wondered why this wiki doesn't do the same. I don't know if there's much of a case to make for adding a gender parameter, because several characters have a gender (just like how characters are each a different species), so it would make sense to add that characteristic into an infobox. | ||
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#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Not only is this stated in the article's opening by default, but we fear like at ''best'' this is just kind of unnecessary; at worst, however, it's just stapling a prime target for vandalism to articles. Especially in the case of [[Birdo|canonically-transgender]] [[Vivian|characters]]; we feel like adding this is a hot ticket to getting those articles even more protected than they already are. | #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Not only is this stated in the article's opening by default, but we fear like at ''best'' this is just kind of unnecessary; at worst, however, it's just stapling a prime target for vandalism to articles. Especially in the case of [[Birdo|canonically-transgender]] [[Vivian|characters]]; we feel like adding this is a hot ticket to getting those articles even more protected than they already are. | ||
#{{User|Blinker}} Per all. | #{{User|Blinker}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Considering my very first edit was on Birdo back in 2007 (whoa), if you asked me then, I'd probably say, "yeah, and let's get more gender categories too, etc." (maybe I would've been on board with pronoun citation if it was a widespread idea back then.) But wanting to do something and actually seeing it in practice are different things. Views change <small>- one of my first edits was also a treatise on canon policy, and after seeing where that line of thought can lead to, I have a ''very'' different viewpoint on it now -</small> my current view on this one is that these aren't -really- vital characteristics that need addressing in parameters and references. I see others put it in practice, I think it can tend to look cumbersome, and like Camwoodstock says, it invites bad-faith ridicule. Plus, this doesn't account for inconsistencies with subjects like Cloud N. Candy and Bonetail. For that Bleak example? Masculine pronouns are present in supplemental material like the Player's Guide, and as far as I know, there's no contradicting material, so that's that. If there's confusion, simply clarify on the talk page or an edit summary. What I can agree to as a general default is using "it" for gender-ambiguous creatures and "they" for gender-ambiguous characters, but we can probably use our heads if a character doesn't have explicit pronouns but they're generally modeled after depictions of other male or female characters of the species. | |||
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Mister Wu}} Especially considering [https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/3ds/zelda-ocarina-of-time/4/2/ Miyamoto’s stance on the matter], this information is more likely to cause disagreement and conflicting edits, since quite a few times there’s not even a definite answer to what is supposed to be the gender of a character, at least in the original Japanese material. I’d say it’s better to rely on gendered pronouns or to explain the matter more in detail, when needed. | |||
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} gender was invented by big gender to sell more bathroom door signs. per all | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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:The opening paragraphs of both articles do mention that they are transgender and have another section going into more detail about it. I think that's good enough. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:09, January 5, 2024 (EST) | :The opening paragraphs of both articles do mention that they are transgender and have another section going into more detail about it. I think that's good enough. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:09, January 5, 2024 (EST) | ||
::Looking at Birdo and Vivian tells you they're probably female, which they are, regardless of whether they're transgender or not. I don't see how a gender field would help there. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:57, January 5, 2024 (EST) | ::Looking at Birdo and Vivian tells you they're probably female, which they are, regardless of whether they're transgender or not. I don't see how a gender field would help there. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:57, January 5, 2024 (EST) | ||
== Caption parameter? == | |||
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I am here to talk about the caption placed below the images. We have "Artwork from ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' for the Nintendo Switch" for the page of [[Mario]] However, other character infoboxes such as [[Captain Syrup]] have "''Wario Land: Shake It!'' artwork for Captain Syrup", which is redundant, because the character's name is already above the image. The standard caption for such images is "Artwork/Screenshot from (Game)." I'm wondering about the addition of a caption parameter, which can have: | |||
*Media - Artwork, Screenshot | |||
*Game - Anything under the sun | |||
Which could generate "(Artwork/Screenshot) from (Game). I'm sorry that I cannot code a sample, and this is simply not a proposal, either. | |||
Here's a sample mark-up. | |||
<nowiki>{{character infobox | |||
|image=[[File:WLSSyrup.png|200px]] | |||
|imagetype=artwork | |||
|imagesource=''[[Wario Land: Shake It!]]'' | |||
|first_appearance=''[[Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3]]'' ([[List of games by date#1994|1994]]) | |||
|species=Human | |||
|latest_appearance=''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' ([[Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)|spirit]] cameo) ([[List of games by date#2018|2018]]) | |||
|latest_portrayal=[[Hitomi Hirose]] ([[List of games by date#2008|2008]]) | |||
}} | |||
</nowiki> | |||
This could create something like "Artwork from ''[[Wario Land: Shake It!]]''". | |||
{{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 22:39, March 2, 2024 (EST) | |||