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 :I feel like [https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/09/10/miyamoto-tezuka-interview.aspx this interview with ''Game Informer''] is a bit relevant. According to Miyamoto, the way ''Mario'' characters are used internally is more like that of a theatre troupe than of defined, strict roles one may expect from a long-running series like this. This may be a stretch, but I am inclined to think this is directly reflective to how they approach game design and how they integrate their characters within each game: it is okay if explicit details are contradicting within each installment or are ambiguous because strict continuity is not a priority. Making something fun is. As a consequence, explicit details that may make it unclear if the green dinosaur from ''Yoshi's Story'', ''SMW'', ''SMS'', ''SMG2'', ''SMO'' etc. are all the same individual do not necessarily mean they are not the same individual "character", in my opinion. I hope that makes sense. -- [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:45, January 13, 2021 (EST)
 ::There's another underlying issue. As a Japanese company, Nintendo's Modus Operandi reflects very well how in the Japanese language the same term can refer to an individual, a member of a species or multiple individuals belonging to said species. We had throughout the years plenty of individuals with the name and standard appearance of the species they belong to, and this is definitely the case of Yoshi. Even more confusingly, as with the case of Toad, differently colored members of the species are still referred to as ''Yoshi''. It's an ambiguity within the Japanese language that is also reflected in how Nintendo handles Yoshi.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 17:35, January 13, 2021 (EST)
+:''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' adds some fuel to the proverbial fire on this one. As you know, the playable Yoshis are called Yoshi, Red Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, and Light-Blue Yoshi. Seems pretty clear at first, but the game also includes flavor text that swaps out your lead character's name when describing their party after clearing a world. In it, the three other Yoshis are '''all''' just named "Yoshi" (and similarly, Yellow Toad and Blue Toad are just named "Toad" even though, strictly speaking, there's no playable character by that name). This probably won't change much right now, but if nothing else, it's food for thought. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:24, January 4, 2024 (EST)
 == Reindeer Yoshi ==
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 == Move certain information to a "possible appearances" section ==
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 See [[Toad#Possible appearances]] for an idea of what I'm talking about. Similar to that article, there are certain appearances of a green Yoshi that aren't specifically stated to be this character, so I think it might be worth doing it here too. Sections I have in mind at the moment are Partners in Time and Color Splash, though I am open to more suggestions in the comments (maybe even some that aren't on this page). By the way, since this is my proposal, I'd rather not continue the debate of merging the articles entirely here.
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 ===Support===
 #{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal
+#{{User|Wikiboy10}} Yeah, I feel we could have something like this. It might look a little muddy because of the possible speculation but not every game makes it clear who the Yoshi character is. In fact, [[Mario Super Sluggers|Yoshi is even referred to as Green Yoshi sometimes]]. I do feel we need to discuss which games could have the most controversy though and make sure we aren't using headcanons are anything.
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 Is this proposal just meant to allow the creation of a possible appearances section that we can discuss what is included later, or will it also be determining what sections go in there? If it's the latter I think this would be better off being discussed first. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 17:40, October 12, 2022 (EDT)
 :Mostly the former, possible sections was sort of discussed in the Yoshi species talk page (the idea itself was even brought up during that vetoed proposal). {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:57, October 12, 2022 (EDT)
+I was actually thinking Toad's possible appearances section could be removed or at least restructured into a compact format, since all it does at this point is pad an already huge article. Right now for the most part, it's not information that couldn't already be covered by the species article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:10, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
+== Can someone add the information to this page that the reason why Yoshi (along with Rabbid Yoshi) do not return in Mario + Rabbids Sparks Of Hope is because they are on vacation ==
+This information is mentioned on the Rabbid Yoshi page but it is not here for some reason. Also he along with Rabbid Yoshi is indirectly alluded to in the memory known as “The Story So Far”, here’s what the description of the memory says,  ''Shortly after defeating the Megabug the Heroes disbanded. Some remained at Peach's Castle to help her "manage" the Rabbids there and build a new spaceship. With the sudden arrival and then disappearance of the Darkmess Manta- who took with it Mario, Beep-0, and Rabbid Peach- I gathered the remaining Heroes and executed a rescue mission, for which I have yet to hear Beep-0 say thank you.'' So can someone please add that as well {{User|35.137.237.68}}
+== Does there still need to be the rewrite template on the page? ==
+It was tagged about 4 years ago, I would think that the rewrite has happened by now.{{unsigned|Eggdogchao}}
+:Given how there are still some errors in the article to this day. That notice will not be removed, even if it has been 4 years, the notice will be removed some day if the article meets the [[MarioWiki:Good writing|standards]] for a quality article (that doesn't mean it has to nesecearlly reach FA status either, even if it'd be nice). {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:27, March 3, 2023 (EST)
+Actually, I think I'll remove the notice myself once I've proofread the entire history section and fix any errors left in the article. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:48, March 7, 2023 (EST)
+:The article has major issues with its writing quality, basically storybook-like writing rather than encyclopedia-writing. The word "fortunately" and "unfortunately" are common. The Yoshi's Island games have most issues. Take this sentence: "Kamek and Bowser simply set out to steal all the children of the Mushroom Kingdom, only to have their quarry escape their grasps one way or another and join Yoshi in a quest to free the other children." "Quarry". The referal to Yoshi as "the dinosaur" or "dinosaur-like hero" is scattered. These issues were the reason the article was tagged a long time ago and if there were rewrite attempts made since, these issues persist. Unfortunately! ;p {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 10:54, March 7, 2023 (EST)
+::Actually, I think I remember having removed most mentions of "the dinosaur" on the article a while ago (like, 2022 maybe) but I'll check later if any new or old mentions of "the dinosaur" are still present. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 11:19, March 7, 2023 (EST)
+== Yoshi in New Super Mario Bros. Wii ==
+Doesn't Yoshi also appear in World Coin-5 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)? It's not listed amongst the levels he appears in on the wiki page.
+Through experimentation, I have also found that Yoshis also do not trigger Jumbo Rays to chirp, do not trigger floating barrels to sink, do not have a proper animation for entering horizontal pipes, and cannot hit Flying ? Blocks for items. Yoshi also does not loose momentum when flutter-jumping if the player is not moving with the D-pad, though I have no idea if this mechanic applies in other games:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjhG7ha20AA
+{{unsigned|Jumbo Ray}}
+:<s>What are you referring to by "World Coin-5"? Like the arcade game, or an actual world in NSMBW that I don't know about? Because I don't think "World Coin" is a world in that game, maybe you're referring to World 9? I'm a bit confused on that part.</s> I will be adding {{world-link|coin|5|World Coin-5 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}} in the list of levels Yoshi and his [[Yoshi (species)|specie]]s have appeared in, and the part about Yoshi's mechanics seem interesting and maybe worth putting into the article, so maybe I'll add them later. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:00, March 23, 2023 (EDT)
+== Yoshi's quotes ==
+Since I'm making a "[[User:Shadic 34/sandbox/List of Yo'ster quotes|list of Yoshi quotes]]" page, I would like to know more instances where Yoshi speaks in a game. The games I've listed so far are: ''[[Super Mario World]]'', ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]'', ''[[Mario is Missing!]]'', ''[[Super Mario RPG]]'', ''[[Tetris Attack]]'', ''[[Fortune Street]]'', ''[[Mario Golf: World Tour]]'', ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]'', and ''[[Super Mario Party]]''. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 13:19, March 30, 2023 (EDT)
+:''[[Mario Party 3]]''. (Side note: this very subject was one of my past April Fools' jokes on another Wiki.) <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 07:11, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
+::Thank you very much! And also, I wonder what wiki you made an April Fools joke on specifically? {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 07:54, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
+== Yoshi’s voice in Super Mario Brothers Wonder, etc.. ==
+I think Kazumi Totaka voices Yoshi in the Super Mario Brothers Wonder game, but I noticed his name does not appear in the credits. I believe his voice work of that character in the game is uncredited. Kazumi Totaka is still voicing Yoshi, but I hear nobody else is taking over the voice for future Mario games.
+Please make this change to the Yoshi page: “In the video games, Yoshi has been voiced by Kazumi Totaka since Yoshi's Story (who also composed the musical score for the game) from 1997 and onwards.”
+[[User:JDGamer8300|JDGamer8300]] ([[User talk:JDGamer8300|talk]])
+==Mistaken Identity in Mario's World?!: A tale of Two Yoshis==
+Hello, So I've been reading some contradictions.
+Below can be found in the [[Baby Yoshi]] article
+====''Yoshi's Island DS''====
+A green Baby Yoshi makes an appearance in ''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]''. After six of the [[star children]] are shown during the credits, '''a Baby Yoshi is revealed as the seventh and final star child upon hatching'''. Similarly to the Yoshis in ''Yoshi's Story'', this baby Yoshi looks strikingly similar to an adult Yoshi despite being a newborn. '''Due to his green coloration and status as a star child, it is possible that this baby Yoshi is the very same [[Yoshi]] that the grown up Mario Bros. would go on to rescue and ally with in ''Super Mario World'' and subsequent ''Super Mario'' games'''.
+Below can be found in [[Yoshi|Yoshi's]] article
+===Relationships===
+====Friends====
+Yoshi is one of Mario's closest friends, '''with their relationship stretching back to Mario's birth, when Yoshi helped reunite the newborn Baby Mario with his kidnapped brother, Baby Luigi. Mario, as an adult, has returned the favor in Yoshi's New Island by handing Yoshi powerful items if Yoshi is struggling in levels. Later, Mario helps free Yoshi's homeland from Bowser in Super Mario World'''
+Below can be found in the [[Yoshi's Island (series)]] article.
+[[Yoshi]] is the main protagonist of the ''Yoshi's Island'' series. He is one of the Yoshis who defend the islands whenever they are threatened by evil forces, often carrying Baby Mario and the other babies on his back. He, like the other Yoshis, has various abilities, including [[Flutter Jump]]ing in the air, [[Ground Pound|ground pound]]ing, swallowing enemies, and producing [[Yoshi's Egg]]s. Yoshi is often the one who finds Baby Mario and begins the quests. '''First Appearance''' [[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]
+===Conclusion===
+It could be argued that  [[Yoshi|Mr. T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas]], the Yoshi prominently featured in the ''Super Mario'' franchise, appearing in games such as ''Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars'', ''Super Mario 64'', the ''Mario Party'' series, the ''Mario Kart'' series, all the Sports games, ''Super Mario Odyssey'', and ''Super Mario Wonder'', is a separate entity from the Yoshi who prominently aids Baby Mario in the ''Yoshi's Island'' series. However, unlike Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, which was developed by [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development]]. Yoshi's Island DS was developed by [[Artoon]], which means different people on different development teams will have differing opinions on the subject leaving any answers to this topic unanswered for eternity, unless Nintendo says otherwise which will of course never happen --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 02:32, November 14, 2023 (EST)
+:Unless i'm overlooking this in your comment, another case proving your point would be Yoshi's line of dialogue in SMW. He introduces himself, as if this is the first time he and Mario meet. And yes, i know SMW came before Yoshi's island, but still. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:27, February 9, 2024 (EST)