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== Those Raccoons == | == Those Raccoons == | ||
Is there any official name for the raccoon people you give the Blue Coins to? [[File:Red_Yoshi_TTYD. | Is there any official name for the raccoon people you give the Blue Coins to? [[File:Red_Yoshi_TTYD.png|30px]] [[User:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F96300>Yoshi</span>]][[User talk:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F00>waker</span>]] [[File:PMCS Orange Yoshi.png|30px]] 10:14, 25 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
:None AKAIK. [[Tanooki|our article]] on them use a conjectural name. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 10:17, 25 April 2011 (EDT) | :None AKAIK. [[Tanooki|our article]] on them use a conjectural name. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 10:17, 25 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
::Oh, I was just trying to find the article. Thanks! [[File:Red_Yoshi_TTYD. | ::Oh, I was just trying to find the article. Thanks! [[File:Red_Yoshi_TTYD.png|30px]] [[User:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F96300>Yoshi</span>]][[User talk:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F00>waker</span>]] [[File:PMCS Orange Yoshi.png|30px]] 11:17, 25 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
==MENTION== | ==MENTION== | ||
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:Yeah, no, I'm more than sure it's coincidence. [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] 14:47, 25 January 2012 (EST) | :Yeah, no, I'm more than sure it's coincidence. [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] 14:47, 25 January 2012 (EST) | ||
== Test level: Action Replay Only? Really? == | == Test level: Action Replay Only? Really? == | ||
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:The cutscenes are not pre-rendered though, they're live rendered. Unless you count possibly the little TV screen with the Piantas advertising as possible, but that's not really a cutscene. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:21, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | :The cutscenes are not pre-rendered though, they're live rendered. Unless you count possibly the little TV screen with the Piantas advertising as possible, but that's not really a cutscene. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:21, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
How'd you know they're live rendered?{{unsigned|69.127.38.51}} | How'd you know they're live rendered?{{unsigned|69.127.38.51}} | ||
:The best way to tell is to play through an emulator and notice how the screenshot gets affected if you try adjusting the resolution. If you increase the resolution higher than intended aspect display, the models remain crisp if it's live-rendered. If it's pre-rendered, the screenshot would look bloated as if you took an image and resized it. After all, pre-rendered scenes are just a bunch of moving images (like in a movie) while live-rendering loads models, textures, animations, and so on. Do you understand the differences? Additionally, Dolphin Emulator provides a free-look (a hack that allows you to adjust the camera and explore the 3D environment), and it wouldn't be possible to view a scene with free-look if it's prerendered, because it's technically only a 2d image in-game. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:41, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
Wow! Saying they're pre-rendered cutsences is just a popular belief. But, why do many people believe they're pre-rendered cutsences? | |||
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I think it's because this game doesn't run at 60 frames. | |||
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:Now I'm wondering how the cutscenes were replaced with random FMVs in the Games Repainted hack of it, if the originals were live rendered scene setups and not videos themselves.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:25, 15 September 2018 (EDT) | |||
::If they could replace the cutscenes with FMV then that makes it prerenderd (unless it's a video edit). Unless the cutscenes run at 60 fps and the game never runs smoother than 30 fps, then frame rate is irrelevant. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 01:19, 15 September 2018 (EDT) | |||
== A message about characters and enemies == | |||
The enemies are technically characters, so enemies should be a subsection of characters.{{unsigned|174.66.205.68}} | |||
:I disagree, it's better if enemies are completely seperated from playable characters and NPCs. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} | |||
== Promotional Preview CD == | |||
Check out this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ICuET4QLQ and add it accordingly because I don't know how. Also, I have a list of most of the mario games with physical demo versions and I have a list of the gamecube demo discs with mario on them. Do you want them? [[User:Bobster|Bobster]] ([[User talk:Bobster|talk]]) 08:23, March 28, 2021 (EDT)Bobster | |||
== Revisiting Delfino Airstrip == | |||
In the Courses section it says the following: | |||
"Delfino Airstrip is the setting of the game's prologue and is available to visit via ferry after completing the "Father and Son Shine!" episode." | |||
This is false, completing the "Father and Son Shine!" episode is not actually required to unlock the ferry to the Airstrip. All you have to do is enter and exit Corona Mountain, if you exit the level (and presumably also if you get a Game Over and get sent back to Delfino Plaza, but I haven't tested that) Delfino Plaza is no longer flooded and the ferry appears. Could someone please correct this? The page is locked and I don't have permission to edit it. [[User:Bolt Strike|Bolt Strike]] | |||
== Very minor change request == | |||
In the section where it talks about the 100% ending screen (at the very end of "Story" section), it says that the postcard depicts the characters in Hotel Delfino. While this is technically true, the photo actually appears to be taken in Casino Delfino. I think the article should be changed to specify that the photo was taken in Casino Delfino, rather than Hotel Delfino. Unfortunately, I do not have the permissions to edit this article for whatever reason, so anyone who does have these permissions shall change the article. - Some random guy who doesn't have an account [[Special:Contributions/97.112.18.223|97.112.18.223]] | |||
:Made the change. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 12:03, April 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== A bit much?? == | |||
This page is '''gigantic''', and I think there's one major reason for this: Why is the "Obstacles" and "Objects" section so massively bloated? Do we really need entries for such small inconsequential things like "Hot Water", "Closet", "Fruit Tree", "Jar"???, "Window"???, "Blue and yellow blocks", "Boat", "Flipping Platforms", "Float", "Green Block", "Multicolored Block", "Orange Block", "Red Triangle", "Spinning Block", "Spinning Gear", "Star" (The wooden platform), "Vanishing Block", "Yellow Peg", "Hook", "Portrait", or "Spray Point"? Each, of course, with a large image that bloats the page. There's probably even more than those I listed that could go. We're not trying to list and document every single unique polygonal element in the game here, are we? It's a bit excessive, don't you think? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 21:48, January 21, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Yes, we are, and no, it's not. Everything that counts as a distinct interactive object distinct from the stage geometry (and some that are part of it) deserve to be covered. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:09, January 21, 2024 (EST) | |||
::@Shadow2 I agree with Doc - if something has a discrete gameplay function, than it should be included here (especially - but not exclusively - if they are acknowledged in the "items & objects" section of the Shogakukan Mario encyclopedia, of which many of these allegedly superfluous objects are). I also don't think this article is particularly big. By contrast, ''Super Mario Sunshine'' (149,542 bytes) is only about half the size of the ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' (310,969 bytes) article. I would even say more can be contributed to the Sunshine article in the future (not in listing individual objects - that seems pretty thorough. More so in discussing the nature of the game itself, similar to SMG). - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:54, January 22, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::I don't think we should document every single thing a thing does, but at least we should have sections for more concretely named things like [[Manhole]] or [[Wall painting]]; even something like flower, nail, and balloon probably. But something like a window or pianta-shaped tree, though? Nah. I mean, don't tell me every railing post cap, every newel, every streetlamp or other hat-mountable objects you find in Odyssey needs its own section because Mario can throw a hat on it to get a coin. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:15, January 22, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::Shared functions can share a section. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:19, January 22, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::Honestly, Super Mario Galaxy's page suffers the same problem, in my opinion. Crushing Pillar, Electric Ball, "Rotating Green Platform". Maybe there should be some policy in place to determine where to draw the line, because at what point do you stop? I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I could scrounge through these games to find some sort of tiny "objects" in these games that have distinct features, but really don't need to be talked about. You mention a "discrete gameplay function". Well, what if something gives Mario a single coin when it's sprayed? Doesn't that count as a function. So, would we include every single solitary object, wall, and building that gives Mario a coin? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 21:09, February 1, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::I do think there is a difference between something that is just part of the terrain (which I do not think should be included) and a discrete object (which I generally do think should be included), but it is not always clear where one should draw that line. Generally, at minimum, I personally try to include what is listed under the "Items & Objects" sections for the games in the [https://archive.org/details/30-th-anniversary-encyclopedia-super-mario-bros.-1985-2015 Shogakukan encyclopedia]. While not all encompassing, Nintendo was directly involved with the production of the text here, and it is best, most accessible primary literature that directly highlight what are true obstacles, items, and objects in most modern Mario games. (It also provides a place for English-speakers to engage with the same material, as the English-localization of the encyclopedia has many errors.) Anything beyond that is usually added by other users, and I do not always agree with those decisions. (Is it really necessary to have water tide and lava tide? It's just freezing water and lava that is moving. Similarly, there are entries in the Sunshine article that might be better understood as an element of the terrain.) However, I do not feel it is appropriate for me alone to tell other users what should or should not be included. Working on articles here is collaborative, and these are often edge-cases. Maybe a wider policy discussion would be helpful. | |||
::::I will say that, if it is something that would be included in the article of a 2D game without pause, I don't see why it shouldn't be in the article for the 3D games. (e.g. the [[sand tide]] is included in the ''[[Super Mario World]]'' article. Why would we omit the crushing pillar from ''Super Mario Galaxy'' if it does the same thing?) - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 22:19, February 1, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::I have created a spreadsheet for objects as listed in the encyclopedia and a talk post about it [[Category talk:Objects#Directory for objects, items, and obstacles in the Super Mario Encyclopedia|here]]. I thought it would be helpful in contextualizing what counts as an object, what is general terrain, etc. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:25, February 16, 2024 (EST) | |||