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:Thank you for telling me! Fixed now. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 15:59, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
:Thank you for telling me! Fixed now. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 15:59, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
::Thanks! Can it be fixed by "clearing the cache" i.e. removing the page and restoring it? I've also noticed that there are overlapping divs on the top-right corner of certain pages like [[:Category:To be deleted]]. -- {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  02:36, 9 July 2016 (EDT)
::Thanks! Can it be fixed by "clearing the cache" i.e. removing the page and restoring it? I've also noticed that there are overlapping divs on the top-right corner of certain pages like [[:Category:Pages to be deleted]]. -- {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  02:36, 9 July 2016 (EDT)


== MarioWiki had MediaWiki Software Upgraded ==
== MarioWiki had MediaWiki Software Upgraded ==
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''If a screenshot needs to be cropped to remove black borders or have transparency added (if a game element overlaps the border), note it in {{tem|aboutfile}} parameter #4.''
''If a screenshot needs to be cropped to remove black borders or have transparency added (if a game element overlaps the border), note it in {{tem|aboutfile}} parameter #4.''


This seems to assume that everyone uses the screenshot button on the emulator. As far as I know, some of the commercial screenshot-taking utilities have a magnifier tool. Users of such tools might get a borderless ''Paper Mario'' screenshot directly, and it might have never occurred to them that the black border is part of the hardware output, and that the screenshot is actually cropped. Some newbies also mistake the black borders as part of the emulator window. Is the #4 parameter going to document what is different from the <em>hardware</em> output? If so, having some explanation on [[MW:UPLOAD]] might prevent possible misunderstanding.
This seems to assume that everyone uses the screenshot button on the emulator. As far as I know, some of the commercial screenshot-taking utilities have a magnifier tool. Users of such tools might get a borderless ''Paper Mario'' screenshot directly, and it might have never occurred to them that the black border is part of the hardware output, and that the screenshot is actually cropped. Some newbies also mistake the black borders as part of the emulator window. Is the #4 parameter going to document what is different from the <em>hardware</em> output? If so, having some explanation on [[SMW:UPLOAD]] might prevent possible misunderstanding.


By the way, it seems that galleries are still left-aligned in the mobile view. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  12:52, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
By the way, it seems that galleries are still left-aligned in the mobile view. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  12:52, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
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== Slow Loading or Broken Pages ==
== Slow Loading or Broken Pages ==
I think there is a problem with a few pages possibly related to files. It takes a long time for [[Gallery:New Super Mario Bros. 2]] and page 3 of [[:Category:Quality requested]] to load. I don't think the problem is limited to those pages. Not sure what is going on but I think there is a technical problem only you can solve. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 21:03, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
I think there is a problem with a few pages possibly related to files. It takes a long time for [[Gallery:New Super Mario Bros. 2]] and page 3 of [[:Category:Images to be reuploaded with higher quality]] to load. I don't think the problem is limited to those pages. Not sure what is going on but I think there is a technical problem only you can solve. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 21:03, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
:10 MB gif = bad. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:13, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
:10 MB gif = bad. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:13, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
::That's what was ailing? Jeez. My guess is a coding issue with the new version of MediaWiki you installed over a month ago (I think) because I never had this problem before... --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:15, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
::That's what was ailing? Jeez. My guess is a coding issue with the new version of MediaWiki you installed over a month ago (I think) because I never had this problem before... --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:15, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
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:It's hard-coded into MediaWiki - I don't know a simple way for detecting aboutfile. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 16:45, 16 December 2016 (EST)
:It's hard-coded into MediaWiki - I don't know a simple way for detecting aboutfile. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 16:45, 16 December 2016 (EST)
::Bummer. I mean if there was a robust and easy-to-manipulate system behind the category instead of hard coding in PHP, then there would be something very useful in other aspects beyond [[mediawiki.org:Help:Magic words|Magic Words]] and templating. Ever delve into [[Wikipedia:GameMaker: Studio|GameMaker]]? A system similar to that. That program does have a scripting language for very specific actions, but what I a referring to is taking the most common objects and scripting syntax and use purely GUI to manipulate them to create a sequence of actions. Piece it together like a LEGO building set rather than type that all out. For example, check for conditions:
::Bummer. I mean if there was a robust and easy-to-manipulate system behind the category instead of hard coding in PHP, then there would be something very useful in other aspects beyond [[mw:Help:Magic words|Magic Words]] and templating. Ever delve into [[Wikipedia:GameMaker: Studio|GameMaker]]? A system similar to that. That program does have a scripting language for very specific actions, but what I a referring to is taking the most common objects and scripting syntax and use purely GUI to manipulate them to create a sequence of actions. Piece it together like a LEGO building set rather than type that all out. For example, check for conditions:
::*<code><nowiki>If namespace file not transcludes template aboutfile, put in [[Category:Files Missing Aboutfile]]</nowiki></code>
::*<code><nowiki>If namespace file not transcludes template aboutfile, put in [[Category:Files Missing Aboutfile]]</nowiki></code>
::*<code>If namespace main not transcludes templates item-infobox or character infobox, or [[:Category:Infobox templates|etc.]], put in <nowiki>[[Category:Pages Missing an Infobox]]</nowiki></code>
::*<code>If namespace main not transcludes templates item-infobox or character infobox, or [[:Category:Infobox templates|etc.]], put in <nowiki>[[Category:Pages Missing an Infobox]]</nowiki></code>
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::::Thank you!--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 19:09, 18 January 2017 (EST)
::::Thank you!--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 19:09, 18 January 2017 (EST)
:::::The discussion on the forums seem to be going well, though they recently went off-topic to talk about turning the wiki retro for April Fools day. The logo used on the NIWA site was brought up, but most users still seem in favor of the mushroom logo. Perhaps you should leave some new input of your own for everyone, since the discussion has gone stagnant and I don't think we've reached a conclusion. --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 14:29, 25 January 2017 (EST)
:::::The discussion on the forums seem to be going well, though they recently went off-topic to talk about turning the wiki retro for April Fools day. The logo used on the NIWA site was brought up, but most users still seem in favor of the mushroom logo. Perhaps you should leave some new input of your own for everyone, since the discussion has gone stagnant and I don't think we've reached a conclusion. --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 14:29, 25 January 2017 (EST)
::::::Can you address my comments [[forumpost:1901848|here]]? --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:33, 25 January 2017 (EST)
::::::Can you address my comments [[mb:posts/1901848|here]]? --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:33, 25 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::[http://imgur.com/a/V9bDT Here] you go.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 14:39, 25 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::[http://imgur.com/a/V9bDT Here] you go.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 14:39, 25 January 2017 (EST)
::::::::That is an improvement, can you raise "Super" a little bit so the red text isn't clashing with "Mario" ? --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 15:00, 25 January 2017 (EST)
::::::::That is an improvement, can you raise "Super" a little bit so the red text isn't clashing with "Mario" ? --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 15:00, 25 January 2017 (EST)
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== What To Cover ==
== What To Cover ==
I wasn't here during MarioWiki's beginning. Since I first started being active on MarioWiki, I have had some qualms about covering series that don't focus on Mario largely, such as [[Donkey Kong Country (series)]] and [[Super Smash Bros. (series)]] because we have [[dkwiki:Main Page|Donkey Kong Wiki]] and [[smashwiki:Main Page|SmashWiki]]. As far as my understanding goes, you made the decision to cover those series right from the very beginning, probably when no dedicated wiki existed for those series. Times have changed. Now there are dedicated wikis. I think it is too much content to keep track of on one wiki if we keep covering what we don't have to anymore. When people go to MarioWiki, they aren't really thinking about Donkey Kong all that much, unless it is a crossover or the rivalry he has with Mario, such as the [[Mario Kart (series)]] or ''[[Donkey Kong (game)]]'' for example. Our representation of Donkey Kong games could be worse than the dedicated wiki. Don't get me wrong, we should still cover games like ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)]]'' and ''Super Smash Bros.'' games, but in a more restricted way. For ''Donkey Kong Country'' games, any nods to the [[Mario (franchise)]], cover that like we do games in [[List of Mario references in video games]] (like [[Cranky's Video Game Heroes]] should be merged with that article). For ''Super Smash Bros.'' games, cover Mario related content only (characters, items, stages, trophies, and anything else like that, so no more [[Ness]] or [[Lip's Stick]] coverage for example). Ultimately, I think that [[MarioWiki:Coverage]] needs to be revised. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 17:20, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
I wasn't here during MarioWiki's beginning. Since I first started being active on MarioWiki, I have had some qualms about covering series that don't focus on Mario largely, such as [[Donkey Kong Country (series)]] and [[Super Smash Bros. (series)]] because we have Donkey Kong Wiki and [[smashwiki:Main Page|SmashWiki]]. As far as my understanding goes, you made the decision to cover those series right from the very beginning, probably when no dedicated wiki existed for those series. Times have changed. Now there are dedicated wikis. I think it is too much content to keep track of on one wiki if we keep covering what we don't have to anymore. When people go to MarioWiki, they aren't really thinking about Donkey Kong all that much, unless it is a crossover or the rivalry he has with Mario, such as the [[Mario Kart (series)]] or ''[[Donkey Kong (game)]]'' for example. Our representation of Donkey Kong games could be worse than the dedicated wiki. Don't get me wrong, we should still cover games like ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)]]'' and ''Super Smash Bros.'' games, but in a more restricted way. For ''Donkey Kong Country'' games, any nods to the [[Mario (franchise)]], cover that like we do games in [[List of Mario references in video games]] (like [[Cranky's Video Game Heroes]] should be merged with that article). For ''Super Smash Bros.'' games, cover Mario related content only (characters, items, stages, trophies, and anything else like that, so no more [[Ness]] or [[Lip's Stick]] coverage for example). Ultimately, I think that [[MarioWiki:Coverage]] needs to be revised. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 17:20, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
:It's fine that you think that. Ultimately, we decided to go for more coverage and not less. Should we drop DK yet still include the Wario and Yoshi series? To be consistent with DK, should we create Wario and Yoshi wikis? Well, we actually tried that at one point (Wiki Alliance), and all the new wikis were extremely inactive. As a result, we decided to just cover all those side-series here in one "super" wiki. If we drop Smash, should we drop Mario & Sonic? Again, we just chose to favor more coverage rather than less. SmashWiki does extremely well with their Smash-centric focus - they go way more in-depth than we ever will, and that's great for those really into that scene. Unfortunately DKWiki isn't the most active, but I think that any DK-only, Yoshi-only, or Wario-only site will always just be that way because you're getting into more-niche fanbases. I like the Super Mario Wiki to be one big, active site with broad coverage. I actually think of it as the Super (Mario Wiki), as in a Mario Wiki that is super-sized with broad coverage, rather than the (Super Mario) Wiki. We drew the line at Banjo and Conker, and I think that was the right choice! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:12, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
:It's fine that you think that. Ultimately, we decided to go for more coverage and not less. Should we drop DK yet still include the Wario and Yoshi series? To be consistent with DK, should we create Wario and Yoshi wikis? Well, we actually tried that at one point (Wiki Alliance), and all the new wikis were extremely inactive. As a result, we decided to just cover all those side-series here in one "super" wiki. If we drop Smash, should we drop Mario & Sonic? Again, we just chose to favor more coverage rather than less. SmashWiki does extremely well with their Smash-centric focus - they go way more in-depth than we ever will, and that's great for those really into that scene. Unfortunately DKWiki isn't the most active, but I think that any DK-only, Yoshi-only, or Wario-only site will always just be that way because you're getting into more-niche fanbases. I like the Super Mario Wiki to be one big, active site with broad coverage. I actually think of it as the Super (Mario Wiki), as in a Mario Wiki that is super-sized with broad coverage, rather than the (Super Mario) Wiki. We drew the line at Banjo and Conker, and I think that was the right choice! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:12, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
::I have thought about [[Yoshi]] and [[Wario]] as it came up in conversation before with other users. What I ultimately think is if the main characters live in [[Mushroom Kingdom]], then we cover it. I don't think that [[Donkey Kong]] and related characters have residence there but rather in [[Donkey Kong Island]]. At most, Donkey Kong and friends are visitors. I have also thought about renaming this wiki to ''Mushroom Kingdom Wiki'' or something like that because think about [[lylatwiki:Main Page|LylatWiki]] for example. Imagine it being called ''FoxWiki'' or ''StarFoxWiki''. [[zeldawiki:Main Page|ZeldaWiki]] should change their name to ''HyruleWiki'', but I'm digressing. Nintendo's flagship franchise is a lot more than just Mario. There is a lot more to it now. [[Mario & Sonic (series)]] is a crossover, much like [[Super Smash Bros. (series)]], and I already expressed how I feel about that series. As for publicity with [[Donkey Kong (franchise)]], it was really popular during the 90s when [[Rareware]] was in charge of that character. Ever since Microsoft's buyout, the series has gone dorment, but has seen a resurgence within the last decade by [[Retro Studios]]. I don't think this game is as niche as you think it is. As for publicity of the fan wiki, I don't know what to do there. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:47, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
::I have thought about [[Yoshi]] and [[Wario]] as it came up in conversation before with other users. What I ultimately think is if the main characters live in [[Mushroom Kingdom]], then we cover it. I don't think that [[Donkey Kong]] and related characters have residence there but rather in [[Donkey Kong Island]]. At most, Donkey Kong and friends are visitors. I have also thought about renaming this wiki to ''Mushroom Kingdom Wiki'' or something like that because think about [[lylatwiki:Main Page|LylatWiki]] for example. Imagine it being called ''FoxWiki'' or ''StarFoxWiki''. [[zeldawiki:Main Page|ZeldaWiki]] should change their name to ''HyruleWiki'', but I'm digressing. Nintendo's flagship franchise is a lot more than just Mario. There is a lot more to it now. [[Mario & Sonic (series)]] is a crossover, much like [[Super Smash Bros. (series)]], and I already expressed how I feel about that series. As for publicity with [[Donkey Kong (franchise)]], it was really popular during the 90s when [[Rareware]] was in charge of that character. Ever since Microsoft's buyout, the series has gone dorment, but has seen a resurgence within the last decade by [[Retro Studios]]. I don't think this game is as niche as you think it is. As for publicity of the fan wiki, I don't know what to do there. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:47, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
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== Pywikibot Issue ==
== Pywikibot Issue ==


I'm having some trouble getting [[mediawiki.org:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]] to work on MarioWiki. I keep getting an <code>HTTP 301</code>. I think it might be related to MarioWiki now using HTTPS instead of HTTP but not sure. All I am trying to do is get images from [[:Category:Mario and Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games Images]] moved to [[:Category:Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games Images]] because the ampersand is the correct title. If you can give me some suggestions what I am doing wrong or you can get your own bot to move the images into the correct category and delete the wrong category, that would be great. It was an error that never got corrected all those years ago, judging by the edit histories. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:06, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
I'm having some trouble getting [[mw:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]] to work on MarioWiki. I keep getting an <code>HTTP 301</code>. I think it might be related to MarioWiki now using HTTPS instead of HTTP but not sure. All I am trying to do is get images from [[:Category:Mario and Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games Images]] moved to [[:Category:Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games Images]] because the ampersand is the correct title. If you can give me some suggestions what I am doing wrong or you can get your own bot to move the images into the correct category and delete the wrong category, that would be great. It was an error that never got corrected all those years ago, judging by the edit histories. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:06, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:Edit family.py and update the protocol method to return 'https'. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 00:01, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
:Edit family.py and update the protocol method to return 'https'. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 00:01, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
::That does the trick but I get an error (but still works fine afterwards as you can see in [[Special:RecentChanges]]):
::That does the trick but I get an error (but still works fine afterwards as you can see in [[Special:RecentChanges]]):
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WARNING: Waiting 5 seconds before retrying.</code>
WARNING: Waiting 5 seconds before retrying.</code>
::What's odd here to me is that [[SmashWiki:Main Page|*.ssbwiki.com]] is showing up here. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:36, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
::What's odd here to me is that [[SmashWiki:Main Page|*.ssbwiki.com]] is showing up here. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:36, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Still getting this issue. Is it [https://www.porplemontage.com your servers] or is it [[mediawiki.org:Manual:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]]? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 20:19, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Still getting this issue. Is it [https://www.porplemontage.com your servers] or is it [[mw:Manual:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]]? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 20:19, 28 April 2017 (EDT)


== Purge Cache ==
== Purge Cache ==
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== Pywikibot Scan Efficiency ==
== Pywikibot Scan Efficiency ==


Is there any way to have [[mediawiki.org:Manual:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]] increase scan efficiency by scanning [[Special:AllPages]]? My best command is <code><nowiki>pwb.py replace -catr:Main <find> <replace></nowiki></code> and I think it can scan a page multiple times when I only want to scan it once. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 15:28, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
Is there any way to have [[mw:Manual:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]] increase scan efficiency by scanning [[Special:AllPages]]? My best command is <code><nowiki>pwb.py replace -catr:Main <find> <replace></nowiki></code> and I think it can scan a page multiple times when I only want to scan it once. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 15:28, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think that <code><nowiki>pwb.py replace -start:! <find> <replace></nowiki></code> is the way to go... --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:46, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think that <code><nowiki>pwb.py replace -start:! <find> <replace></nowiki></code> is the way to go... --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:46, 27 April 2017 (EDT)


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== Temporarily Edit a Copyright Template ==
== Temporarily Edit a Copyright Template ==


I know I have three different things I am talking with you but can you do one thing for me? Remember [[User:Porplemontage/talk archive 1101-1200#RE: Images|this]]? I want you to do it for {{tem|soundclip}} and files in [[:Category:Fair use music samples]]. Just that one for now. I'm ready for more. I want to clear that one just for now. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:07, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
I know I have three different things I am talking with you but can you do one thing for me? Remember [[User:Porplemontage/talk archive 1101-1200#RE: Images|this]]? I want you to do it for {{tem|sound-clip}} and files in [[:Category:Fair use music samples]]. Just that one for now. I'm ready for more. I want to clear that one just for now. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:07, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think I am done now. Purge [[Special:UncategorizedFiles]] to see if I missed anything. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:15, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think I am done now. Purge [[Special:UncategorizedFiles]] to see if I missed anything. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:15, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::OK, that's weird with [[:File:Card SuperRare DonkeyKong.png]]. It's categorized yet shows up there. Also, don't know what to do with the [[Year of Luigi]] one. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:25, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::OK, that's weird with [[:File:Card SuperRare DonkeyKong.png]]. It's categorized yet shows up there. Also, don't know what to do with the [[Year of Luigi]] one. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:25, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
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::::Second optional parameter? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 01:29, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::Second optional parameter? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 01:29, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::I'm going to make it so we can get rid of BoxTop altogether. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 01:43, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::I'm going to make it so we can get rid of BoxTop altogether. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 01:43, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::I was thinking of <nowiki>{{br|navbox=yes}}</nowiki> and modifying {{tem|br}} to use [[mediawiki.org:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##if|Parser Functions]]. Then we can replace all instances of {{tem|BoxTop}} with <nowiki>{{br|navbox=yes}}</nowiki>. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:08, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::I was thinking of <nowiki>{{br|navbox=yes}}</nowiki> and modifying {{tem|br}} to use [[mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##if|Parser Functions]]. Then we can replace all instances of {{tem|BoxTop}} with <nowiki>{{br|navbox=yes}}</nowiki>. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:08, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Please delete all instances of BoxTop. We don't need it any more. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:09, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Please delete all instances of BoxTop. We don't need it any more. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:09, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::::[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:BoxTop|That's a tall order]]. I don't have time right now to do that many pages. Use your {{user|PorpleBot}} because that many edits wouldn't be loved by other users here in [[Special:RecentChanges]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:13, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::::[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:BoxTop|That's a tall order]]. I don't have time right now to do that many pages. Use your {{user|PorpleBot}} because that many edits wouldn't be loved by other users here in [[Special:RecentChanges]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:13, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::Using the template removal tool [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:About&diff=2170220&oldid=2044118 doesn't remove the newline], which is a problem. Would have to use the replace tool and search for "<nowiki>{{BoxTop}}\n</nowiki>", but I can't get it to work. I use the Windows Command Prompt. Do you know how to pass a newline? --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:26, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::Using the template removal tool [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:About&diff=2170220&oldid=2044118 doesn't remove the newline], which is a problem. Would have to use the replace tool and search for "<nowiki>{{BoxTop}}\n</nowiki>", but I can't get it to work. I use the Windows Command Prompt. Do you know how to pass a newline? --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:26, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::So [[mediawiki.org:Manual:Pywikibot/template.py|this]] doesn't work? <code>pwb.py template -remove:BoxTop</code> Try \r\n because it detects that string when I copypasta an article's contents into [[Wikipedia:Notepad++|Notepad++]]. If that fails, I was thinking of using the [[mediawiki.org:Manual:Pywikibot/replace.py|replace script]] instead using regexp because I think regexp are capable of backspacing with \b as an escape character. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:34, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::So [[mw:Manual:Pywikibot/template.py|this]] doesn't work? <code>pwb.py template -remove:BoxTop</code> Try \r\n because it detects that string when I copypasta an article's contents into [[Wikipedia:Notepad++|Notepad++]]. If that fails, I was thinking of using the [[mw:Manual:Pywikibot/replace.py|replace script]] instead using regexp because I think regexp are capable of backspacing with \b as an escape character. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:34, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::Cool, I ended up just tweaking the template.py remove function. PorpleBot is off to the races! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:53, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::Cool, I ended up just tweaking the template.py remove function. PorpleBot is off to the races! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:53, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::::Yay! I thought my \r\n suggestion did the trick. Better to keep {{tem|br}} and delete {{tem|BoxTop}}. Some pages are still using <code><nowiki><br clear=all></nowiki></code>. Now it's just a matter of spotting unnecessary usage of {{tem|br}}. That's usually if there are no floating CSS elements on the page and it got used instead of just <code><nowiki><br></nowiki></code> or something. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:58, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::::Yay! I thought my \r\n suggestion did the trick. Better to keep {{tem|br}} and delete {{tem|BoxTop}}. Some pages are still using <code><nowiki><br clear=all></nowiki></code>. Now it's just a matter of spotting unnecessary usage of {{tem|br}}. That's usually if there are no floating CSS elements on the page and it got used instead of just <code><nowiki><br></nowiki></code> or something. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:58, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
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:WebM uses either <tt>VP8+Vorbis</tt> or <tt>VP9+Opus</tt>--{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:18, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:WebM uses either <tt>VP8+Vorbis</tt> or <tt>VP9+Opus</tt>--{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:18, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
::Not at this time, likely down the road. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 16:30, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
::Not at this time, likely down the road. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 16:30, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Not sure if this is related but according to [[Special:Version]], you are using [[mediawiki.org:Extension:OggHandler|OggHandler]], which seems to be deprecated because that page recommends [[mediawiki.org:Extension:TimedMediaHandler|TimedMediaHandler]]. There also seems to be additional features, such as start time, which could be useful. Would updating affect allowed extensions for [[Special:Upload]] or do you have manual control of that regardless of extension? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:18, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Not sure if this is related but according to [[Special:Version]], you are using [[mw:Extension:OggHandler|OggHandler]], which seems to be deprecated because that page recommends [[mw:Extension:TimedMediaHandler|TimedMediaHandler]]. There also seems to be additional features, such as start time, which could be useful. Would updating affect allowed extensions for [[Special:Upload]] or do you have manual control of that regardless of extension? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:18, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:I tested that extension and had issues with it, so we  kept OggHandler. Will try again after next major version upgrade. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:27, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:I tested that extension and had issues with it, so we  kept OggHandler. Will try again after next major version upgrade. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:27, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::The current version is {{CURRENTVERSION}}, which should be compatible because the newer extension requires at least 1.23, unless there is some sort of conflict with other installed extensions. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 03:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::The current version is {{CURRENTVERSION}}, which should be compatible because the newer extension requires at least 1.23, unless there is some sort of conflict with other installed extensions. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 03:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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To make [[MarioWiki:Article size]] easier to follow, is there any MediaWiki extension or option built-in that can tell us, during editing, how many characters the article will have before saving the changes? I know there is edit history, but I am talking about a simple JavaScript script that can, on text change, update the character count of the edit box? Section edits are a different story though. That's why I hope to have the counter add the rest of the page character count to the section character count total as well. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:21, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
To make [[MarioWiki:Article size]] easier to follow, is there any MediaWiki extension or option built-in that can tell us, during editing, how many characters the article will have before saving the changes? I know there is edit history, but I am talking about a simple JavaScript script that can, on text change, update the character count of the edit box? Section edits are a different story though. That's why I hope to have the counter add the rest of the page character count to the section character count total as well. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:21, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
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Related [[mediawiki.org:Help:Magic words#Parser functions|Magic Word]]:
Related [[mw:Help:Magic words#Parser functions|Magic Word]]:
{{PAGESIZE:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|R}}
{{PAGESIZE:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|R}}
:[[MarioWiki:Article size]] is enforced for pages already saved. Feel free to add something to your personal JS. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:48, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
:[[MarioWiki:Article size]] is enforced for pages already saved. Feel free to add something to your personal JS. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:48, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
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== Hard Link Vs. Magic Word ==
== Hard Link Vs. Magic Word ==


Use <code><nowiki>{{plain link|[{{fullurl:Special:Log/move/Porplemontage|limit=74}} See here]}}</nowiki></code> for [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. It's neater, thanks to [[mediawiki.org:Help:Magic words#URL data|Magic Words]]. It produces <code>{{plain link|[{{fullurl:Special:Log/move/Porplemontage|limit=74}} See here]}}</code>. Also, [[Special:Log/move/Porplemontage]] is short-hand and works, but I don't think you can do [[Special:Log/move/Porplemontage/74]], so the Magic Word assists. I think the short-hand is limited to the type of log and user who performed the action. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
Use <code><nowiki>{{plain link|[{{fullurl:Special:Log/move/Porplemontage|limit=74}} See here]}}</nowiki></code> for [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. It's neater, thanks to [[mw:Help:Magic words#URL data|Magic Words]]. It produces <code>{{plain link|[{{fullurl:Special:Log/move/Porplemontage|limit=74}} See here]}}</code>. Also, [[Special:Log/move/Porplemontage]] is short-hand and works, but I don't think you can do [[Special:Log/move/Porplemontage/74]], so the Magic Word assists. I think the short-hand is limited to the type of log and user who performed the action. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)


== Proposal ==
== Proposal ==
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== Protect ==
== Protect ==


Hi, could you please protect [[MarioWiki:Admin noticeboard/Header]] if {{User|L151}} doesn't beat you to it? Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:16, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
Hi, could you please protect [[MarioWiki:Staff noticeboard/Header]] if {{User|L151}} doesn't beat you to it? Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:16, 22 July 2017 (EDT)


== Identifier discussion (again) ==
== Identifier discussion (again) ==
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;<code><nowiki>{{}}</nowiki></code>
;<code><nowiki>{{}}</nowiki></code>
*{{tem|see also}} - Transclusion
*{{tem|see also}} - Transclusion
*<nowiki>{{FULLPAGENAME}}</nowiki> - [[mediawiki.org:Help:Magic words|Magic Words]]
*<nowiki>{{FULLPAGENAME}}</nowiki> - [[mw:Help:Magic words|Magic Words]]


What do you think? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 15:16, 19 August 2017 (EDT)
What do you think? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 15:16, 19 August 2017 (EDT)
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== Flag Category ==
== Flag Category ==


I noticed we have [[:Category:Flags]]. That's kind of odd to me. Would replacing the category with {{tem|template-image}} and/or {{tem|mariowiki-image}} be better, or would leaving the category alone and inserting the template(s) only be acceptable? Why template image? They are used in {{tem|released}}. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:56, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
I noticed we have [[:Category:Flags]]. That's kind of odd to me. Would replacing the category with {{tem|template-image}} and/or {{tem|mariowiki-image}} be better, or would leaving the category alone and inserting the template(s) only be acceptable? Why template image? They are used in {{tem|release}}. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:56, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
:I like that category. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:38, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:I like that category. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:38, 14 September 2017 (EDT)


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:Sure. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:38, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:Sure. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:38, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::Be sure to update the drop-down for [[Special:Upload]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:40, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::Be sure to update the drop-down for [[Special:Upload]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:40, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Doesn't {{tem|promophoto}} work? That's what I used for the cards on the [[Platinum Playing Cards: Official Club Nintendo Collection]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:41, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Doesn't {{tem|photo}} work? That's what I used for the cards on the [[Platinum Playing Cards: Official Club Nintendo Collection]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:41, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::::I think that copyright tag applies to images harvested from Amazon or something. The cards themselves are scans. That's for {{BASEPAGENAME}} to decide. I'll hold off changing the tags until this is cleared up. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:46, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::::I think that copyright tag applies to images harvested from Amazon or something. The cards themselves are scans. That's for {{BASEPAGENAME}} to decide. I'll hold off changing the tags until this is cleared up. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:46, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::I see promo photo used for a lot of merchandise incorrectly. It's really for official images released to promote a product. If you just take a photo of a product, it's not a promo photo. Maybe there should be some kind of generic merchandise tag as well. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 00:36, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::I see promo photo used for a lot of merchandise incorrectly. It's really for official images released to promote a product. If you just take a photo of a product, it's not a promo photo. Maybe there should be some kind of generic merchandise tag as well. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 00:36, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
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== Main page link ==
== Main page link ==


Would it be acceptable to remove the link to the [[Main Page]] under "navigation" in the sidebar? It seems redundant to have it there while also having the much-larger link on the image in the top-left. [[forum:29237.msg1966699|Shokora]] on the forum also suggested linking to the [[MarioWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] under "tools" in its place. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 13:52, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
Would it be acceptable to remove the link to the [[Main Page]] under "navigation" in the sidebar? It seems redundant to have it there while also having the much-larger link on the image in the top-left. [[mb:posts/1966699|Shokora]] on the forum also suggested linking to the [[MarioWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] under "tools" in its place. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 13:52, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
:I like how it is! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 20:50, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:I like how it is! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 20:50, 1 October 2017 (EDT)


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I plan to make the enemy templates, and to an extent the bestiary templates, all follow the same naming schematic and be more in line with the bestiary templates. I need every instance of these templates changed to the ones on the right, including the page names if possible.
I plan to make the enemy templates, and to an extent the bestiary templates, all follow the same naming schematic and be more in line with the bestiary templates. I need every instance of these templates changed to the ones on the right, including the page names if possible.
*Smrpgenemy -> SMRPGenemy
*Smrpgenemy -> SMRPG enemy
*MLinfobox -> MLSSenemy
*MLinfobox -> MLSS enemy
*Pitenemy -> MLPITenemy
*Pitenemy -> MLPIT enemy
*Bisenemy -> MLBISenemy
*Bisenemy -> MLBIS enemy
*Dtenemy -> MLDTenemy
*Dtenemy -> MLDT enemy
*Pjenemy -> MLPJenemy
*Pjenemy -> MLPJ enemy
*Mlssbm -> MLSSBMenemy
*Mlssbm -> MLSSBM enemy
*Pmenemy -> PMenemy
*Pmenemy -> PM enemy
*Pm2enemy -> PMTTYDenemy
*Pm2enemy -> PMTTYD enemy
*Spmenemybox -> SPMenemy
*SPM enemy -> SPM enemy
*Pmssenemy -> PMSSenemy
*Pmssenemy -> PMSS enemy
*Pmcsenemy -> PMCSenemy
*Pmcsenemy -> PMCS enemy
*Mrkbenemy -> MRKBenemy
*Mrkbenemy -> MRKB enemy
*BISbestiary -> MLBISbestiary
*BISbestiary -> MLBISbestiary
*DTbestiary -> MLDTbestiary
*DTbestiary -> MLDTbestiary
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:Ok. For clarity on what is happening, see [[Template talk:SMO Levels|here]]. We're doing mission articles. The moon articles issue hasn't changed, those are still being put in tables and we will revisit once complete, but I'm deleting the categories and things since they are not being implemented at this time. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 16:37, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:Ok. For clarity on what is happening, see [[Template talk:SMO Levels|here]]. We're doing mission articles. The moon articles issue hasn't changed, those are still being put in tables and we will revisit once complete, but I'm deleting the categories and things since they are not being implemented at this time. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 16:37, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::That's why I requested it to be in my userspace. <small>P.S.: Time to archive...?</small> {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 16:49, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::That's why I requested it to be in my userspace. <small>P.S.: Time to archive...?</small> {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 16:49, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
== Power Moon Tables ==
I would like to discuss your official decree on the way to do the Power Moon Tables. You call for the Moon #, name, image, and description for each table, but that ends up looking like [[Cascade_Kingdom#Power_Moon_locations|this]]. The amount of vertical space this takes is horrendous, and it makes finding a specific moon take much longer than it should. On my laptop I can only see about 5 rows at once, on my phone (an S8 with the longer screen) I can see 8 rows when zoomed out, and on the mobile format of the site, I can only see 1 row at a time. I hope you can see the problem this creates, especially when most kingdoms have around 50-100 power moons. In contrast, [[Metro_Kingdom#Power_Moon_locations|this]] is a much better way of displaying the power moons on the kingdom pages. on my laptop I can see about 30 rows at once, on my phone I can see nearly the entire list at once, and on the mobile format I can see about 6 or 7, depending on the amount of text accompanying it.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 16:56, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:@Eldritchdraaks: This is a '''TEMPORARY''' decree, so we don't take any big steps towards resolving the issue until the tables are all complete. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:04, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:I want to convey as much info about the moons as possible, and images are an important part of that. We could do a gallery, but then you'd put the moon number and name as the caption and lose the description, which is also important (unless you, uh, linked to a separate article for each moon). The table is the only option to include all the info I want while keeping everything on one page. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 17:07, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::Understood. In an effort to keep things simple and not overrun the kingdom pages with the ghastly large tables, I suppose I now support making separate articles.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 17:15, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::However until the proposal has gone through and a decision has been made, can we default to the simpler lists? Just until that point. It will provide the same necessary information, minus the picture which will already take a long time to obtain.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 17:20, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:::I thought of another option, which is this. The kingdoms have a Power Moons section, with a gallery of the Moons and the Moon names as the captions. At the top of the Power Moons section, there is a {{tem|main}} link to "List of X Kingdom Power Moons" which features the full table. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 17:44, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::::On mobile format, galleries display as a single column, and only about 4 would fit on screen. Is this an option for what to do until the proposal, or after?--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 17:47, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:::::I will test this idea. It would be implemented before the proposal. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:07, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:::::It's also disagreeable in that [[Darker Side]] only has ONE Power Moon, thus breaking the consistency. All the more reason to split them into separate articles. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:59, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::::::That one Power Moon will get its own article anyway, wouldn't it? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:00, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
:::::::...Taking into account a situation like [[Bonefin Galaxy]] and [[Kingfin's Fearsome Waters]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:28, 2 November 2017 (EDT)