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== Right call on this? (and trying to get this straight about reminders/warnings) ==
== Right call on this? (and trying to get this straight about reminders/warnings) ==
Okay, I just had to hand out a reminder to [[User_talk:Koopalmier|this person]] because he was repeatedly replacing images in character infoboxes (for main character article pages) with their artworks for Mario Super Sluggers. What this the right call/explanation? I'm very confident about this, but still had to ask to be sure on this.
Okay, I just had to hand out a reminder to [[User_talk:Koopalmier|this person]] because he was repeatedly replacing images in character infoboxes (for main character article pages) with their artworks for Mario Super Sluggers. What this the right call/explanation? I'm very confident about this, but still had to ask to be sure on this.


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::::I think the current "reminder" template is fine, actually. Just as long as the situation warrants it. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! 16:09, 11 September 2008 (EDT) [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]]
::::I think the current "reminder" template is fine, actually. Just as long as the situation warrants it. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! 16:09, 11 September 2008 (EDT) [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]]
:::::Actually, a policy might be a good idea to avoid confusion. It'd be much easier than handing out reminders and explaining to users how things work. We could call the policy the "General Image Policy" or something like that. It would explain which kind of artwork would be the main image in character articles, the appropriate locations for screenshots, etcetera. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Actually, a policy might be a good idea to avoid confusion. It'd be much easier than handing out reminders and explaining to users how things work. We could call the policy the "General Image Policy" or something like that. It would explain which kind of artwork would be the main image in character articles, the appropriate locations for screenshots, etcetera. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
::::::Yes, I think a policy could work. There already is a policy named [[MarioWiki: Image Use Policy|Image Use]], so we could call it {{fakelink|MarioWiki:Article Image Policy}} or something, which we might even cover about the "3 images per game in the gallery" rule, "Two Images in one article" rule, and other non-written laws. On a different note, I don't think a reminder for Koopalmier was very appropriate, 1) Because there was no official rule against it when he changed it; he did it unknowingly, and 2) He even left a note on the talk page(s), so he wasn't being bossy or anything. But yeah, that's my opinion. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
::::::Yes, I think a policy could work. There already is a policy named [[MarioWiki: Image Use Policy|Image Use]], so we could call it {{fake link|MarioWiki:Article Image Policy}} or something, which we might even cover about the "3 images per game in the gallery" rule, "Two Images in one article" rule, and other non-written laws. On a different note, I don't think a reminder for Koopalmier was very appropriate, 1) Because there was no official rule against it when he changed it; he did it unknowingly, and 2) He even left a note on the talk page(s), so he wasn't being bossy or anything. But yeah, that's my opinion. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
:::::I agree with Garlic Man, except that maybe we could just keep [[MarioWiki:Image Use Policy|Image Use Policy]] and add more information and rules to it. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 18:27, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Garlic Man, except that maybe we could just keep [[MarioWiki:Image use policy|Image Use Policy]] and add more information and rules to it. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 18:27, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Hmm... well, they seem to cover different areas(one's about image file format), but since they're(or will be) both policies, I suppose that could work. Either way(seperate or combined) would probably work effectively. I'm not picking on Merit C, but we would like to make sure to make rules clear for users who did something, not knowing that it was generally unrespected. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
::::Hmm... well, they seem to cover different areas(one's about image file format), but since they're(or will be) both policies, I suppose that could work. Either way(seperate or combined) would probably work effectively. I'm not picking on Merit C, but we would like to make sure to make rules clear for users who did something, not knowing that it was generally unrespected. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
:::I agree. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 18:47, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
:::I agree. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 18:47, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
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== another poll option ==
== another poll option ==
shouldn't a "other" option be added to the polls {{User:Tucayo/sig}}
shouldn't a "other" option be added to the polls {{User:Tucayo/sig}}
:I agree with Tucayo. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:04, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
:I agree with Tucayo. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:04, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
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== [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] Update ==
== [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] Update ==
A while back GhostJam started a discussion among the sysops as to our canonicity policy at [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]].  The discussion concluded and updates to the page were made.  Few, if any, changes will be required as a result of the new canonicity policy - it's mostly just a vocalization of the policy that we have been endorsing for the last half of a year (example: We have been removing uses of the terms "canon and "alternate canon" from articles.  Now, MW:Canonicity no longer mentions alternate canon and prohibits the use of the term "canon.")  {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 11:02, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
A while back GhostJam started a discussion among the sysops as to our canonicity policy at [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]].  The discussion concluded and updates to the page were made.  Few, if any, changes will be required as a result of the new canonicity policy - it's mostly just a vocalization of the policy that we have been endorsing for the last half of a year (example: We have been removing uses of the terms "canon and "alternate canon" from articles.  Now, MW:Canonicity no longer mentions alternate canon and prohibits the use of the term "canon.")  {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 11:02, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
:Yay. [[Template:Conjecture]] should be updated to read "unofficial". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:03, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
:Yay. [[Template:Conjecture]] should be updated to read "unofficial". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:03, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
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==GIFs==
==GIFs==
Is it against the rules to implement GIFs into articles that demonstrate a certain enemy's or character's performance? Ex: If one were to make a GIF demonstrating the Chuckolator's attacks, would this be alright to implement into an article? Of course, you would use official game sprites. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 21:17, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Is it against the rules to implement GIFs into articles that demonstrate a certain enemy's or character's performance? Ex: If one were to make a GIF demonstrating the Chuckolator's attacks, would this be alright to implement into an article? Of course, you would use official game sprites. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 21:17, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


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== ScribbleWiki Destruction ==
== ScribbleWiki Destruction ==
It seems that ScribbleWiki is permanently shutting down in the wake of some type of major server crash such that they cannot even recover the wiki data. Userpedia will effectively have to start from scratch on Wikia.
It seems that ScribbleWiki is permanently shutting down in the wake of some type of major server crash such that they cannot even recover the wiki data. Userpedia will effectively have to start from scratch on Wikia.


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:For those of you who want to contribute to the new Userpedia, [http://userpedia.wikia.com this is the link]. We at Userpedia greatly appreciate any contributions you make. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 22:36, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
:For those of you who want to contribute to the new Userpedia, [http://userpedia.wikia.com this is the link]. We at Userpedia greatly appreciate any contributions you make. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 22:36, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
::No Wayo. Just no. It WILL recover. And when it does, part 2 of your little MKWii thingy is gonna go up :) {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
::No Wayo. Just no. It WILL recover. And when it does, part 2 of your little MKWii thingy is gonna go up :) {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
:::While you may or may not be right, Wayo has a point. A sudden influx of activity mixed with a crap-ton of user images could cause all manner of hell server side. It's just something we need to keep an eye on. -- [[File:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[File:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:18, 17 November 2008 (EST)


Wayoshi, I really doubt you need to worry so much about Userpedians. I'm sure Stooben and the other sysops have the situation under control. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 02:08, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
Wayoshi, I really doubt you need to worry so much about Userpedians. I'm sure Stooben and the other sysops have the situation under control. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 02:08, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
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:::No, I think all of the Userpedias were on Scribblewiki. --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 13:05, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::No, I think all of the Userpedias were on Scribblewiki. --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 13:05, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::::The oldest one is in editthis.info [http://editthis.info/mwuserpedia/Main_Page link]{{User:Dark Lakitu 789/sig}}
::::The oldest one is in editthis.info [http://editthis.info/mwuserpedia/Main_Page link]{{User:Dark Lakitu 789/sig}}
Hey I have an idea! (It kinda of sound dumb. >_>) Can a SysOp from that site change the mono book to look similar to the Userpedia that died? Users keep saying that the Userpedia Wikia is suckish and other stuff. [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]
Nevermind they made a new one. [http://userpedia.referata.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges It better than the Wikia] [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]


== Mario & Luigi 3 ==
== Mario & Luigi 3 ==
I'll let someone with more.....well, I'm far too lazy to do anything about it, so.....a new Mario & Luigi game was announced at the Nintendo Conference, a few frames of which can be found [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/index.html here] (scroll down to Nintendo Conference and click on DS).
I'll let someone with more.....well, I'm far too lazy to do anything about it, so.....a new Mario & Luigi game was announced at the Nintendo Conference, a few frames of which can be found [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/index.html here] (scroll down to Nintendo Conference and click on DS).


As it is a new game, we may want to think about creating a tentative game article and start gathering information as it is released. Thanks. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 02:26, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
As it is a new game, we may want to think about creating a tentative game article and start gathering information as it is released. Thanks. -- [[File:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[File:Shyghost.PNG]] 02:26, 2 October 2008 (EDT)


:OMG! It looks like Bowser is playable! But let's not jump into conclusions just yet. ;o And there is a another WarioWare game for the DS. :P *breaks the trivia entry that each console has at least one WarioWare game lawl* [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2008fall/mov/ds.html?n10 Watch the DS upcoming games by clicking here!] :> {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|BTW, I'll be completely gone at Saturday due to a field trip, 'nuff said rawr.]]
:OMG! It looks like Bowser is playable! But let's not jump into conclusions just yet. ;o And there is a another WarioWare game for the DS. :P *breaks the trivia entry that each console has at least one WarioWare game lawl* [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2008fall/mov/ds.html?n10 Watch the DS upcoming games by clicking here!] :> {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|BTW, I'll be completely gone at Saturday due to a field trip, 'nuff said rawr.]]
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::And I don't think the Nintendo 64 had any WarioWare games. {{User:Pikax/sig}} 11:59, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
::And I don't think the Nintendo 64 had any WarioWare games. {{User:Pikax/sig}} 11:59, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I believe the only systems a WarioWare game were on were the GBA, GCN, DS, and Wii. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 12:05, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I believe the only systems a WarioWare game were on were the GBA, GCN, DS, and Wii. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 12:05, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
::::I think RAP referred to consoles active in 2003 and later (but as Cobold told, he was wrong nonetheless), the N64 was already dead in 2003. But the Japan-only precursor of the series was indeed for the N64, for the [[Nintendo 64DD|64DD]] to be exact. ''[[Mario Artist|Mario Artist: Polygon Studio]]'' had a few microgames and a game mode in the same manner as ''WarioWare''. As to the new game, there is [[Made in Ore|an article]]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:12, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
::::I think RAP referred to consoles active in 2003 and later (but as Cobold told, he was wrong nonetheless), the N64 was already dead in 2003. But the Japan-only precursor of the series was indeed for the N64, for the [[Nintendo 64DD|64DD]] to be exact. ''[[Mario Artist (series)|Mario Artist: Polygon Studio]]'' had a few microgames and a game mode in the same manner as ''WarioWare''. As to the new game, there is [[Made in Ore|an article]]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:12, 2 October 2008 (EDT)


Awesome, a quality game. For now, these can be stubs and moved when official NA titles are announced (hopefully soon!). {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 15:58, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
Awesome, a quality game. For now, these can be stubs and moved when official NA titles are announced (hopefully soon!). {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 15:58, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
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== SSB Special Moves ==
== SSB Special Moves ==
I'm currently starting a mini-project in order to apply the changes required by my recent proposal.  I would appreciate help in this matter.  I'm creating a "planning page" at [[User:Stumpers/Test]] currently.  If you'd like to merge a particular character's special moves, please put your username in parenthesis by the character's name, and I'll leave the job to you.  Just make sure you do the following in accordance to the proposal: (1) Copy all text and pictures over - even if it makes the character page look messy.  (2) Change the move's page to a redirect to its section in the character article.  (3) Only then can you start editing the images and text that used to be in the special move page... sorry, it was a stupid thing to guarantee the two opposers in hindsight... :(
I'm currently starting a mini-project in order to apply the changes required by my recent proposal.  I would appreciate help in this matter.  I'm creating a "planning page" at [[User:Stumpers/Test]] currently.  If you'd like to merge a particular character's special moves, please put your username in parenthesis by the character's name, and I'll leave the job to you.  Just make sure you do the following in accordance to the proposal: (1) Copy all text and pictures over - even if it makes the character page look messy.  (2) Change the move's page to a redirect to its section in the character article.  (3) Only then can you start editing the images and text that used to be in the special move page... sorry, it was a stupid thing to guarantee the two opposers in hindsight... :(


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==Delete==
==Delete==
Is there any way in which we can delete [[MW:TC]] or [[MW:Upload]]? {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
Is there any way in which we can delete [[SMW:TC]] or [[SMW:Upload]]? {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
:These aren't pages. They're links to pages on the MediaWiki homepage. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:10, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
:These aren't pages. They're links to pages on the MediaWiki homepage. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:10, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
::Oh. Then why do they appear in [[Special:DoubleRedirects|here]] and [[Special:BrokenRedirects|here]]? =\ {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
::Oh. Then why do they appear in [[Special:DoubleRedirects|here]] and [[Special:BrokenRedirects|here]]? =\ {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}


== Errors ==
== Errors ==
I'm getting frequent database errors when trying to load any page, including the log-in. Does anybody have the same problem? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:22, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm getting frequent database errors when trying to load any page, including the log-in. Does anybody have the same problem? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:22, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
:I'm having them multiple times whenever I access a new page and/or edit. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
:I'm having them multiple times whenever I access a new page and/or edit. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
::Must we bring this up on the Main Talk every time the wiki hits a pothole on the road? But anyway, yes, everybody is experiencing errors, at least I am. {{User|Garlic Man}}
::Must we bring this up on the Main Talk every time the wiki hits a pothole on the road? But anyway, yes, everybody is experiencing errors, at least I am. {{User|Garlic Man}}
:::You users aren't the only one. Ony day I tried to acess the Recent changes and Proposals page and I couldn't edit 'cause I could sign in. (Is Media Wiki dieding or have problems?) The only page I could acess was the Random page and the Main page. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
:::You users aren't the only one. Ony day I tried to acess the Recent changes and Proposals page and I couldn't edit 'cause I could sign in. (Is Media Wiki dieding or have problems?) The only page I could acess was the Random page and the Main page. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
::::Like any other website on the planet, we have hiccups from time to time. I've only had a few errors myself. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 20:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
::::Like any other website on the planet, we have hiccups from time to time. I've only had a few errors myself. -- [[File:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[File:Shyghost.PNG]] 20:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)


==Article Organization==
==Article Organization==
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==MW Shortcuts==
==MW Shortcuts==
 
I suggest that we stop making shortcuts to MarioWiki namespace pages that contain "MW" in it. They commonly become double and broken redirects, that glitch the system. As you can see, [[SMW:UPLOAD]] is a [[Special:Doubleredirects|double redirect]], but we can't fix it because it takes us to a MediaWiki.org page. [[SMW:TC]], which was supposed to redirect to the Trouble Center, is a broken redirect that links you to a MediaWiki.org page. Even if you search for [[SMW:BLAH]], it still links to a MediaWiki.org page, albeit nonexistent. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 18:27, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
I suggest that we stop making shortcuts to MarioWiki namespace pages that contain "MW" in it. They commonly become double and broken redirects, that glitch the system. As you can see, [[MW:UPLOAD]] is a [[Special:Doubleredirects|double redirect]], but we can't fix it because it takes us to a MediaWiki.org page. [[MW:TC]], which was supposed to redirect to the Trouble Center, is a broken redirect that links you to a MediaWiki.org page. Even if you search for [[MW:BLAH]], it still links to a MediaWiki.org page, albeit nonexistent. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 18:27, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
:I've noticed this too. I never really followed through with the idea, but I once thought that instead of short cuts, it would be much more beneficial to just have a page called MarioWiki:Policies that liked to all of our policies for easy reference. -- [[File:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[File:Shyghost.PNG]] 05:32, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
:I've noticed this too. I never really followed through with the idea, but I once thought that instead of short cuts, it would be much more beneficial to just have a page called MarioWiki:Policies that liked to all of our policies for easy reference. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 05:32, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
::This is Steve's fault for including mw on the InterWiki table. A small removal should fix all {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 12:10, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
::This is Steve's fault for including mw on the InterWiki table. A small removal should fix all {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 12:10, 18 October 2008 (EDT)


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== Inactive Users ==
== Inactive Users ==
I wonder why there's so many inactive users here? Is this a joke? Cause I don't find this funny. And what's driving away users from here?{{User:Fg/sig}}
I wonder why there's so many inactive users here? Is this a joke? Cause I don't find this funny. And what's driving away users from here?{{User:Fg/sig}}


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== WTF ==
== WTF ==
WTF does "Do a barrel roll" have to do with Mario?
WTF does "Do a barrel roll" have to do with Mario?
{{User:Yoshikart/sig}}
{{User:Yoshikart/sig}}
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Yeah he just got block. Ugh and I undid all his edits. I felt bad since the wikia was under attack so I helped.) <small> I'm sorry. That site was under attack and no SysOps were around untill after an hour. </small> [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]
Yeah he just got block. Ugh and I undid all his edits. I felt bad since the wikia was under attack so I helped.) <small> I'm sorry. That site was under attack and no SysOps were around untill after an hour. </small> [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]
===There's More===
Great, there's another [http://supermariowiki.wikispaces.com/ one], but it doesn't seem perfessional. I mean look how there Main Page is set up. Is it possible to ask wiki hosting sites not to let anybody make any more Mario Wikis, because there is just to many. Look at this list:
#Us
#[http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Mario_Wiki Mario Wiki'''a''']
#Mario Party Wiki
#Mariopedia
#SMWiki (The One for Lunar Magic)
#An ugly one someone already mentioned
#That Mariopedia on [http://themushroomkingdom.net the Mushroom Kingdom]
#[http://supermariowiki.wikispaces.com/ this one I mentioned above]
--{{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|And possibly more}}
[[http://themushroomkingdom.net/smw_bugs.shtml Click Here]] That site <- (See the link over there) I think they copied the Freeze Glitch I posted on the [[List of Glitches]] page. <small> they sound similar..>_> </small> [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]
:Nah, I don't think so, because they had that there before the Wiki was made. The Mushroom Kingdom has been up since 1996, plus look at this quote from the site
"The bugs/glitches are credited whenever possible. Where I've said "Found by Deezer" means that I found the particular bug/glitch myself, and I had not seen it posted anywhere else. Uncredited bugs/glitches can mean one or more things: 1) Found in a Nintendo publication; 2) '''Found by me, but believed to be too common to give credit to just one person'''; 3) Older glitch whose source cannot be recalled."
I read the glitch section, that glitch didn't have a credited finder, so, according to the quote, it must be '''to common to give credit'''. --{{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|That sites the reson I found the wiki}}
Wow that old! I never notice this site untill you place the link. (And I didn't use their glitch from that site. I just tested it since I heard many rumors about it.) [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]


==Sighting to References==
==Sighting to References==
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== "See Wikipedia" template ==
== "See Wikipedia" template ==
I was wondering if you folks feel we could use a template that asks users to see Wikipedia if they want a complete look at a subject rather than just from our perspective.  I'm thinking primarily in terms of non-Mario characters, such as [[Banjo]].  I mean, I assume they know that the bolded, linked title links to Wikipedia for that reason, but I still think it'd be a nice feature for the new users/readers.  I could see it being a template at the top of the article, like the links to disambiguation pages or as a little box to the side.  Thoughts? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
I was wondering if you folks feel we could use a template that asks users to see Wikipedia if they want a complete look at a subject rather than just from our perspective.  I'm thinking primarily in terms of non-Mario characters, such as [[Banjo]].  I mean, I assume they know that the bolded, linked title links to Wikipedia for that reason, but I still think it'd be a nice feature for the new users/readers.  I could see it being a template at the top of the article, like the links to disambiguation pages or as a little box to the side.  Thoughts? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:Wikipedia already has its own boxes for that. If you open a page on the Wiktionary, you usually will find a box on the right that links to the corresponding Wikipedia article, [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banana for example here]. We could simply copy that template. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:Wikipedia already has its own boxes for that. If you open a page on the Wiktionary, you usually will find a box on the right that links to the corresponding Wikipedia article, [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banana for example here]. We could simply copy that template. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Sounds perfect!  It's posted on [[Template:Wikipedia]].  Hope it works! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:45, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Sounds perfect!  It's posted on [[Template:Wikipedia]].  Hope it works! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:45, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:::There are two problems I was hoping someone could help me with: first, the template puts the word "Wikipedia" at the top of the page and I'm not sure why.  Secondly, the link to the appropriate Wikipedia page actually links to a different template, that looks like <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki>.  When I copied over that template, it tried to link to "W:[subject]" rather than our "Wikipedia:[subject]".  Can someone think of an easy way to remedy that? And third (sorry, yeah), what are the appropriate categories for such a template? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:03, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:::There are two problems I was hoping someone could help me with: first, the template puts the word "Wikipedia" at the top of the page and I'm not sure why.  Secondly, the link to the appropriate Wikipedia page actually links to a different template, that looks like <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki>.  When I copied over that template, it tried to link to "W:[subject]" rather than our "Wikipedia:[subject]".  Can someone think of an easy way to remedy that? And third (sorry, yeah), what are the appropriate categories for such a template? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:03, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::I'll take a look at it. It may need a secondary template to work; and you would use [[:Category:Formatting Templates|this category]]. :) {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 20:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::I'll take a look at it. It may need a secondary template to work; and you would use [[:Category:Formatting templates|this category]]. :) {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 20:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:::::I'll also try and help out [[User:Super-Yoshi/Test|right over here.]] {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
:::::I'll also try and help out [[User:Super-Yoshi/Test|right over here.]] {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
::::Thanks for all your help guys... I can't believe how much discussion this sparked. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::Thanks for all your help guys... I can't believe how much discussion this sparked. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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== Calendar > Proposals ==
== Calendar > Proposals ==
I think this is too small to be a proposal. Shouldn't the "Mario Calendar" box be on top of the "Latest Proposal" box? The latest proposal is only for regular users and just a part of the site- the calendar is part of Nintendo. It's not a big deal, but I think that would work better. {{User:Girrrtacos/sig}}
I think this is too small to be a proposal. Shouldn't the "Mario Calendar" box be on top of the "Latest Proposal" box? The latest proposal is only for regular users and just a part of the site- the calendar is part of Nintendo. It's not a big deal, but I think that would work better. {{User:Girrrtacos/sig}}
:I'd support that. When nobody opposes I'd actually change it right away. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 08:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:I'd support that. When nobody opposes I'd actually change it right away. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 08:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)
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== Removing own messages from others talk pages, and a somewhat "minor" issue... ==
== Removing own messages from others talk pages, and a somewhat "minor" issue... ==
Okay, two questions - first up, in regards to messages on talk pages, are we able to remove our own messages from talk pages if the matter arises to do so. Reason is that yesterday, I put a talk page subject on a person's talk page in regards to a certain edit that was done yesterday, and I want to be sure that I'm not commiting any breaches in regards to taking that said subject I created off that person's talk page.
Okay, two questions - first up, in regards to messages on talk pages, are we able to remove our own messages from talk pages if the matter arises to do so. Reason is that yesterday, I put a talk page subject on a person's talk page in regards to a certain edit that was done yesterday, and I want to be sure that I'm not commiting any breaches in regards to taking that said subject I created off that person's talk page.


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As for the first part, you don't have the right to edit your statement to make it sound more gramatically correct or fix spelling. If you happen to post a comment on the wrong user's talk page, you can remove that message. If you do happen to say something offensive, you can always follow up to that previous comment with a simple sorry and take it back. As for your case, you were talking about an edit, correct? If you don't need to talk about it anymore or change your mind, saying "never mind" is preferred over removing the comment. There is no set rule about this as far as I know.{{User:Knife/sig}} 02:02, 15 November 2008 (EST)
As for the first part, you don't have the right to edit your statement to make it sound more gramatically correct or fix spelling. If you happen to post a comment on the wrong user's talk page, you can remove that message. If you do happen to say something offensive, you can always follow up to that previous comment with a simple sorry and take it back. As for your case, you were talking about an edit, correct? If you don't need to talk about it anymore or change your mind, saying "never mind" is preferred over removing the comment. There is no set rule about this as far as I know.{{User:Knife/sig}} 02:02, 15 November 2008 (EST)
: Understood, but I'm still trying to figure this out on a general article itself - I removed a certain something from an article (which I though it wasn't necessary, even though the info itself was still true), and yet a sysop brings it back -- I assume that my edit was overruled and that it should stay on that article...? --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 22:26, 15 November 2008 (EST)
==Categories==
Heh, you said they are not a big deal? That is false my friends. Listen guys, there are many problems in this wiki compared to Wikipedia, and categories is one of the issues right now. Here are some problems I recently found out while I was browsing around the wiki;
One problem I found is those category entries in articles at the very bottom of the article, <nowiki>[[Category:X]] and [[Category: X]]</nowiki>. One without and one with the space. Basically I'm saying that which type is better. But does it make any difference? Does it effect how the articles are displayed whenever you browse into the categories? Is it just for clear just a single byte or what? For what I seen, there are articles with mixed preferences over this, even as if this is a minor problem. Opinions? :3
Another problem, the lack of the contents box, there are some categories that have a lot of articles. It's another small problem, but I really think we need it? Yeah or nuh?
The last issue I looked over is probably a major problem, the improper flow of categories. When you look at one of the most recognizable articles like [[Mario]], [[Bowser]], or [[SSBB]]; or the least articles like the mini-game articles I wrote like [[Treadmill Grill]], or [[Box Mountain Mayhem]], there are categories at the bottom of the page. But the problem is that in my opinion, there are articles that violated this standard. Read this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Category_considerations section] for more info. Compare [[:Category:Mini-games]] and [[:Category:Mario Party DS Mini-games]]. The first category composes just about all the mini-games, the Mario Party mini-games and the lesser known mini-games from SM64DS like [[Pair-a-Gone]]; while the second category composes specifically only what the title implies, focusing on MPDS mini-games. The MPDS mini-game articles are also categorized under Category:Mini-games, but that doesn't seem to be necessary per the link I just posted; and probably along other articles... What do you think about this?
Any comments, suggestions, corrections and etc. are welcome. {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|BTW, I wrote this whole section on paper; most of them anyway. XD Gives me a lot of thinking before writing all of this down. :3]]
:Concerning the first problem, there seem to be a number of bugs caused by putting a space between Category: and the name. We should remove all spaces there.
:The second problem, are you referring to the description page of the category itself?
:The third problem is really major. We have categories such as [[:Category:Paper Mario Series Characters]], [[:Category:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Characters]] and [[:Category:Characters]] on the same page. I'd say remove the more general ones for e.g. [[Doopliss]]. Of course, characters who also appear outside the Paper Mario series can keep the regular Characters category.
:-{{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:50, 16 November 2008 (EST)
::The second problem is about the lack of the more larger categories that have a [[Template:compactTOC3]], as opposed to other categories that have less than around over 20 or 50 articles. And the third one, I agree. Imagine all the little bytes that will be deleted... :3 {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|Let's make some categories... extinct. >:3 You mind helping me or nuh?]]
:::So, let me make sure I'm understanding this before I help. We're getting rid of the categories that are large and redundant (such as [[:Category:Characters]]), and keeping the more specific and useful ones (such as [[:Category:Paper Mario Series Characters]] and [[:Category:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Characters]])? {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 15:13, 16 November 2008 (EST)
::::The Characters Category could still be used to categorize characters in general, but not characters which are exclusive to a certain series. It also serves for categorizing categories (yeah). - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:16, 16 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Alright then, thanks. :) {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:31, 16 November 2008 (EST)
== Series Definitions ==
Looking across the Wiki, one can see that different writers use "series" in a different way and sometimes even use different names.  We need to set standards for referring to the following:
#The overall combination of games we cover
#The series of games including Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Kart... should this also include the arcade game ''Donkey Kong''?
##The sub-series of the above from which other series spun-off... ie, Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros.: Lost Levels, etc.  Sometimes called the Super Mario Bros. series
##The 3D series of Mario games... perhaps we should just lump these and the Super Mario Bros. series together along with the Super Mario World series.
Other than that, our use of ''Mario Kart'' series, ''Yoshi'' series, and ''Donkey Kong'' series is pretty solid.  However, I'd like to emphasize that we should be using ''Yoshi'' and ''Donkey Kong'' to refer to the overall series... ''Yoshi's Island'' is a sub-series of ''Yoshi'' and ''Donkey Kong Country'' is a sub-series of ''Donkey Kong''... is that something that people agree on?
Regardless, the big issue at hand is what to call the four I mentioned above, where to divide/merge them, etc.  This is important because we need to work out our series pages, for the first part. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:20, 17 November 2008 (EST)
:The way I look at is that we have five main series:
*[[Super Mario (franchise)]]
*[[Yoshi (series)]]
*[[Donkey Kong (series)]]
*[[Wario (series)]]
*[[Super Smash Bros. (series)]]
:Then, each have several sub-series:
*'''Mario (series)'''
**[[Mario Kart (series)]]
**[[Mario Party (series)]]
**[[Mario Strikers (series)]]
**[[Mario Golf (series)]]
**[[Mario Tennis (series)]]
**[[Mario & Luigi (series)]]
**Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series) &ndash; yet to be created.
**[[Paper Mario (series)]]
**Super Mario Bros. (series) &ndash; yet to be created, but I plan to today.
*'''Yoshi (series)'''
**Yoshi's Island (series) &ndash; yet to be created.
*'''Donkey Kong (series)'''
**Donkey Kong Country (series) &ndash; yet to be created.
*'''Wario (series)'''
**[[Wario Land (series)]]
**WarioWare (series) &ndash; yet to be created.
*'''Super Smash Bros. (series)'''
:There's probably some that I missed, but those are pretty much the main sub-series. My suggestion is to move all of the sub-series to that exact title. For example, we would move [[Mario Kart (series)]] to {{fake link|Mario Kart (sub-series)}}, but we would keep the main five series with their current titles. Having articles on the sub-series is no doubt important, but I think we do need to define the line between a series and their respective sub-series. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 13:50, 17 November 2008 (EST)
According to the [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy]], the Smash Bros. series is filed under "Crossovers" together with ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games]]'' and things like ''[[Itadaki Street DS]]''. Should it even be one of the main series? Or should the Importance Policy be fixed?
Man, there's a lot of stuff to fix on the wiki these days. Article organization, canonicity, chronology, categories, galleries, series... - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:48, 17 November 2008 (EST)
:Despite the fact that ''SSB'' series revolves around Nintendo, and not just the ''Mario'' series (or any linked series), it seems like the series is popular and involved enough to merit being of "secondary importance". But, this is just my opinion. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 15:52, 17 November 2008 (EST)
::That used to be the case. But SSB was downgraded to tertiary importance (previously non-existant) as other crossover titles like Mario & Sonic popped up and they had to be treated equally. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:01, 17 November 2008 (EST)
:::Perhaps we could make a proposal to rewrite the policy? {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 16:20, 17 November 2008 (EST)
We still haven't answered the question about what to call all five main series when referring to them as one.  Stooben: thanks for the list, that makes everything a lot easier.  Another issue that just popped into my head: how should we present the DiC Cartoon trilogy?  Since they were never officially called a series, I don't think we even need to make a page for them, but just be sure to spell out that they were definitely connected to the other two TV shows. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:21, 17 November 2008 (EST)
:If we were to represent all 5 main series in one title, I'd suggest "Marioverse"; but that's a fanon term, so I'm kinda at a loss. Also, the DiC Cartoons...I don't really think they need a series page, but that's just my opinion. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 20:44, 18 November 2008 (EST)
::I feel the exact same way on all counts.  The three TV shows were never called the "DiC Mario cartoon trilogy" or anything as people have been saying lately.  In act, I don't think they were ever referred to as being part of a series, although the continuity between them is definitely strong, except that they leave gaps where ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and ''Super Mario World'' occur.  Anyway, I think that means we should just mention the other shows in each show's article and call it a day. {{User:Stumpers/sig}}
:::That sounds just fine. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 21:28, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Could the five main series be collectively referred to as "''Mario'' (super-series)"? I know it sounds corny/childish, but like "sub"-series, it's Latin-based: "sub-" is '''below''', "super-" is '''above'''. It's not been used to describe any ''series'' as far as I know, but it's used in both science (i.e. superfamilies in taxonomy) and the military (i.e. supermarine fighter jets), if that justifies it in any way, or makes it more viable than the purely conjectural terms, such as the aforementioned "Marioverse"... Also, pertaining to the ''Donkey Kong'' sub-series, should ''DK Land'' titles be part of the ''DK Country'' sub-series, considering how they're either sequels or glorified ports of the ''Country'' titles? I think it'd be easier to read and understand the two sub-series if they were side-by-side (parallelism), as opposed to being separated. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:23, 18 November 2008 (EST)
:I never even thought of that; that's a fantastic idea. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 23:28, 18 November 2008 (EST)
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