MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/54: Difference between revisions

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[https://smallmariofindings.tumblr.com/post/186027177745/in-super-mario-party-birdo-can-be-encountered-in ''Super Mario Party'' does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game.] {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

===Ban friend userboxes===

{{ProposalOutcome|cancelled}}

I've seen users giving each other friend userboxes after a "friend request" (a talk page message).

@alex95: triple items have different probabilities and rarities on your placement than single items (triple green shells do not even appear in ds wifi matches), they also form a shield circling around your kart which makes them more functionality different than single green shells, despite the minor difference, and they take up their own slot separate from green shells. and explain how character exclusivity isn't an "argument" the fact that only some characters can use the specific set of items strengthens the argument for the split rather than not. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:53, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

:Alright, you may have a point on whether it circles the racer or not, though ''Double Dash'' is an already noted exception that makes Triple Green Shells handle like regular Green Shells, except you drop two if you take any damage. Not sure about probabilities and rarities, that can just be listed in the game section.

::the point about different probabilities is a point in its favor to make it a separate item from the single ones, since practically every other separate item has different probabilities and you obtain them in different placements and rankings. like, the red shell for example can be broken down to just a red-colored shell with homing, like the second upgrade missile from diddy kong racing, but that item also has different rates of obtaining them too. mario kart items don't have deeply nuanced differences from each other (fake item boxes are just see-through bananas with shell hitting capbilities, spiny shells are just red shells that home onto first place, chain chomps are just bullet bills, etc), and even the most minimal effects constitute as a big difference, so that includes the ability to orbit the character's kart in threes and that you obtain it in different positions with different probabilities than you do a single green shell. i don't think character specific items should get their own pages specific to their game appearances though but the fact is that koopa can sometimes get triples as his exclusive in a few games should solidify the point that the games treat triple green shells differently than they do singles. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:09, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

:::It seems like my comment was misinterpreted. What I meant is that in certain games for example, Triple Green Shells cannot be used by all characters, which is yet another difference between the two. It does not mean in any way that they should be split based off their game appearances, or that items that have no variants such as Golden Mushrooms should be split. I just meant that certain variants of items being exclusive to certain characters in certain games is another difference between them and their regular variants and thus is another reason why we should split the bunch items, and is not an individual basis for a split nor a split of a split. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:15, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

====Oppose====

#{{User|TheDarkStar}} The statement that there's no policy on splitting pages with the same name (prior to any editing) is downright false; policy ''and'' consensus have stated that if something has gameplay differences, it's splitting time. Azure Roller being merged to Roller doesn't even ''need'' a proposal, just a talk page discussion. Finally, this all seems like a knee-jerk reaction to the Daisy Bomber page being converted back to a redirect, seeing as it happened just yesterday.

#{{User|Trig Jegman}} per the above, but it really seems too subjective/non-concrete to me. I think it would create more inconsistency over less due to not being able to tell alternates in-page and alternates new-page. - 11:23, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

#{{User|Waluigi Time}} This proposal is extremely vague and your list doesn't even come close to how many articles this would affect, and is also confusing since it doesn't even mention which articles would be split and which ones would be merged if this passed. You're painting with far too broad of a brush here, matters like this should only be settled on a case-by-case basis. Also, like I told you before, having a different name alone is '''not''' an instant reason to split articles (on the other side of the coin, having the same name is also not an instant reason to merge articles) and would unnecessarily undo countless proposals over the years. I get that you really want Daisy Blossom to be split for whatever reason, but this is going way too far.

:The pages will not be duplicate pages however. Daisy Blossom's past edits had notable changes such as new images, new descriptions, and how it relates to Daisy's past instead of Peach's past. Daisy Parasol would show Daisy's 8 different parasol designs and how she uses it in her entrance animation and not her taunts and victory animations. The articles would also not be cluttered with references to previous games, like how Cyber Slicks and Azure Rollers don't reference Mario Kart 7. I plan to also revamp the Peach special pages along with this. --{{user|Memoryman3}} 11:04, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

How so, it's literally the same thing. Goomba and Goombo have no differences beyond visuals and character references. Exact same thing with Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. You can easily merge Goombo with Goomba and no one would bat an eye. I have already put many arguments as to why Daisy's moves have merits to be seperated, and to be honest none of the reasons against it strike me as compelling or more substantial than "Daisy's just Peach in orange", and how in general there's an bias against Daisy in the wiki due to her fans. I've already provided external reasons such as search engines not correctly referencing Daisy Blossom and visual differences being important. When people are looking for Daisy Blossom, I'm pretty sure they DON'T want pictures of Peach's trophies --{{user|Memoryman3}} 11:22, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

Another thing is if I were quickly searching for a picture of, let's say, [[Rambi the Rhino]]. If all the images were named DKC Rambi or DKC2 Rambi, then it would be harder to find images on Rambi alone. Users could search on Rambi's article for images, but at least there's some diversity in file naming options. In my opinion, the diversity in file names corresponds to the inclusive nature of that Super Mario Wiki has.

I think we could discuss some '''suggested''' naming standards to add to the image use policy. For example, I like the naming standard where it lists the subject, the game name/abbreviation, and then the type of image. The subject's name first because the image is about the character, the location, the item, etc. first and foremost. The game name or abbreviate shows the game that the character is in. Lastly, the type describes if the image is either artwork, sprite, screenshot, logo, etc. For example, Rambi DKC sprite.png . For the "type" part of the filename, i like to make it lowercase, since the 'type' is comparable to an identifier of an article. Words such as screenshot, sprite, and logo are common noun, so if I made them lowercase, it's quicker to distinguish the proper noun (like the game, character names) from the common noun (like the word 'sprite' or 'screenshot').