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 : So... Wanna chat in the forums? {{User:RAP/sig}}
+Personally I think it should stay the way it is. I mean, what do you suggest, a Wario Wiki, Yoshi Wiki, or a Donkey Kong Wiki? They are all sub-series of Mario and they should be included. {{User|BackfireFirst}}
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 == Non-game enemies ==
-{{talk}}
 Lately I've been looking at this page and wondering if non-game enemies really need to be here. For reference, the non-game "enemies" I could find are: [[Abominable Snowkoopa]], [[Alien (Club Nintendo)|Alien]], [[Beetle (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Beetle]], [[Big Bad Wolf]], [[Birdoroo]], [[Blanka]], [[Bomb Net]], [[Brutius Maximus Grouchimus]], [[Buro-kun]], [[Buzz-Bomb]], [[Chomp-Muncher]], [[Chuckie]], [[Chun-Li]], [[Clog Monster]], [[Crimewave Clyde]], [[Dhalsim]], [[Dr. Sporis von Fungenstein]], [[Flaky]], [[Fluffy]], [[GLOM]], [[Goomba Mummy]], [[Goomerang Brother]], [[HAL 9001]], [[Herman (The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3)|Herman]], [[Herman Smirch]], [[Iggy (film character)|Iggy]], [[Killer Kitty of the Caskervilles]], [[KKDU]], [[Lena]], [[Madzilla]], [[Mousersaurus Rex]], [[Nicole, Pia, and Balu]], [[Pietro]], [[Piranha Sue]], [[Plant Monster]], [[Queen Rotunda]], [[Robo Shyguy]], [[Robo Troopa]], [[Robot Princess]], [[Sergeant Kooperman]], [[Shisai]], [[Shyguy Lion]], [[Sickobratz]], [[Space Troopa]], [[Spider (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Spider]], [[Spike (film character)|Spike]], [[Stanley the Talking Fish]], [[State Troopa]], [[Stormtroopa]], [[Sultan Pasbah]], [[Super Troopa]], [[T-Rex (character)|T-Rex]], [[Tweeter Bat]], [[Tyrannosaurus Twins]], [[Vampa White]], [[Wereturtle]], [[Zangief]], and [[Zombie Goomba]]. While some of these do function as typical enemies in their appearances, others are much less clear cut - apparently all you have to do to make it onto this list is be a mildly antagonistic character. Some characters, like the Big Bad Wolf and Crimewave Clyde, never even come into direct conflict with Mario and co. and actually help them later. What makes the Street Fighter characters enemies rather than bosses? Why is Stanley the Talking Fish an enemy when the worst thing he does is unintentionally annoy people?
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 == Are these enemies? ==
-{{Talk}}
 Related to the above, [[Spinner]] and [[Fire Bar]] seem inappropriate to put on this list because they’re more obstacles than enemies. —[[Special:Contributions/111.239.157.234|111.239.157.234]] 02:07, May 3, 2020 (EDT)
 I think so, too.  If you put them in, I think you also need to put in a cannon and a burner. --[[Special:Contributions/125.12.25.229|125.12.25.229]] 00:46, July 2, 2020 (EDT)
+If you are including obstacle on the List of Enemies, the the Grumblumps from Mario 3D World should be included as well. {{User|BackfireFirst}}
 == Kug ==
 Should kug, or kugg, the unused enemy from super mario sunshine be on this list? [[User:Bobster|Bobster]] ([[User talk:Bobster|talk]]) 21:44, June 12, 2020 (EDT)
+It was unused, so therefore it’s not a Mario enemy. It can’t be, because it doesn’t exist in the Mario Universe. {{unsigned|BackfireFirst}}
 == Trim this list to only include enemies in games ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
-{{TPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-8-0|remove non-game enemies but keep first appearances in non-game media if applicable}}
 I first brought this up almost a year ago, but didn't get any replies so here we go, time for a proposal. Having enemies on this list that don't appear at all in games makes their inclusion somewhat confusing, and I propose removing them. While some of the articles that would be removed under this act more like traditional enemies, others are simply antagonistic characters that made their way onto this list for some reason. For example, according to this list [[Pietro|some guy]] who tries to trick Mario and Luigi into thinking he's their long-lost brother is apparently an enemy. Other characters currently on this list don't actually come into conflict with Mario and co. at all, and some of them even end up helping them. The reason I'm suggesting an all-or-nothing approach is that, without the mechanics of the games to help us determine who actually qualifies as an enemy, trying to include only some of them would be a more subjective process.
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 #{{User|Shiny K-Troopa}} Per proposal.
 #{{User|Ray Trace}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal. I've actually been meaning to do something like this for years now, but never got around to it.
+#{{User|Keyblade Master}} It just seems unnecessary.
+#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Scrooge200}} I can't think of any enemies that have debuted in a show or something and then reappeared in the games. This just makes more sense.
 ===Remove non-game enemies but keep first appearances in other media===
 #{{User|Waluigi Time}} My second choice.
+#{{User|7feetunder}} This is a list of ''enemies'', not a list of antagonists. On the other hand, we should at least mention if an enemy debuted outside of a game, then list their first game appearance, sort of like what we do with crossover characters like Link and Sonic (list their first appearance overall, then their first ''Mario'' appearance). Not doing so is outright misleading.
+#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} While keeping ones that are not in games at all needlessly stretches the definition of "enemy," not listing a recurring enemy's true debut because it isn't a game is disingenuous.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
+#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I don't know how this got larger than the species list, so trimming is necessary; at the same time, "other media" is specified in the current article.
+#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} This option is much more accurate. I also think we should then list their first game appearance, like 7FeetUnder mentioned. Per all.
+#{{User|BackfireFirst}} I agree, including enemies from other forms of media doesn’t make sense. Including articles about them in the wiki makes sense, because it is Mario-Related media, but including it in the list of enemies doesn’t.
+#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.
 ===Do nothing===
 ===Comments===
+@Scrooge200: There's Big Paragoomba and Mega Bob-omb which debuted in ''The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3'', and Big Koopa Troopa, Big Cheep Cheep, and Big Buzzy Beetle which debuted in ''Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!'', to name a few. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:07, January 22, 2021 (EST)
+== Missing Enemies ==
+Someone should add the Golden Patakuribō from New Super Mario Bros. 2. [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 22:23, October 4, 2021 (EDT)
+And the Grumblump from Super Mario 3D World.  I will keep adding to this if I find any more missing [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 22:27, October 4, 2021 (EDT)
+:Go ahead and add them yourself. No one's stopping you. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:10, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
+== Inconsistent enemies ==
+I've noticed that many games' pages are inconsistent with what are considered "enemies". Like for example, things like Fire Bars are listed with "enemies" on some pages, "objects" on others, and sometimes not even listed at all.  We should really decide whether things like this are "enemies" or not. [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 10:24, September 18, 2022 (EDT)