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==Birdo's Voice== | ==Birdo's Voice== | ||
How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back? {{User:Plumber/sig}} | How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back? {{User:Plumber/sig}} | ||
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You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | ||
There are many different Birdos, but that is most likely the one that we see commonly in spin-offs and in main-stream games. It may just be an error on Nintendo's side or Birdo could've got her voice back off-screen, as it wasn't that much of a huge plot-line. Or there is the possibility that Birdo can speak full-English and it was zapped away, making her only be able to speak in "Birdo" or "gibberish", where her name is one of the words she can say, but this most likely is not true. --[[User:Mariofan4eva|Mariofan4eva]] 12:09, 8 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Characters and Species== | ==Characters and Species== | ||
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::::::Well, the birdo in Super Mario Bros. 2 is '''bad,''' while the birdo who is Yoshi's friend is '''good.''' They're a species. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 20:14, 27 February 2008 (EST) | ::::::Well, the birdo in Super Mario Bros. 2 is '''bad,''' while the birdo who is Yoshi's friend is '''good.''' They're a species. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 20:14, 27 February 2008 (EST) | ||
Well, I think that Birdo is indeed a species, but the Birdo that Yoshi is usually partnered with is THE Birdo. [[User:MarioFan9999|MarioFan9999]] 20:09, 28 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
==Should the article be separated into Birdo (species) and Birdo as a character?== | ==Should the article be separated into Birdo (species) and Birdo as a character?== | ||
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#[[User:javier12345|Javier12345]]:Like that is Toads article | #[[User:javier12345|Javier12345]]:Like that is Toads article | ||
#{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad. | #{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad. | ||
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official [[ | #[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official [[MarioWiki:Proposals|Proposal]]? | ||
#{{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Yoshi and Yoshi (species) are split up, so Birdo needs to be as well.}} | #{{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Yoshi and Yoshi (species) are split up, so Birdo needs to be as well.}} | ||
#{{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} - My comment below. | #{{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} - My comment below. | ||
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# [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc. | # [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc. | ||
# | # <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> Per Son of Suns-we have no proof all those Birdos are the same. But we already moved Yoshi, Theryguy. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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==Birdo image== | ==Birdo image== | ||
Can we use this for the first image???[[user:javier12345|Javier12345]] | Can we use this for the first image???[[user:javier12345|Javier12345]] | ||
[[ | [[File:MP8 Birdo.png|200px]] | ||
==Issue== | ==Issue== | ||
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Are you sure the Italian name doesn't actually refer to [[Ostro]]? The mix-up was there in the English SMB2 credits. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:45, 5 June 2008 (EDT) | Are you sure the Italian name doesn't actually refer to [[Ostro]]? The mix-up was there in the English SMB2 credits. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:45, 5 June 2008 (EDT) | ||
:"Strutzi" is definitely Birdo's Italian name. Look [http://youtube.com/watch?v=PxHPsqBIESE here] (0:15). It's ''Mario Party 7'' in Italian, and Toadsworth calls Birdo "Strutzi". I also wondered about the name, it surely has something to do with that mix-up. Anyone (Italian) here who could clear it up? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:01, 5 June 2008 (EDT) | :"Strutzi" is definitely Birdo's Italian name. Look [http://youtube.com/watch?v=PxHPsqBIESE here] (0:15). It's ''Mario Party 7'' in Italian, and Toadsworth calls Birdo "Strutzi". I also wondered about the name, it surely has something to do with that mix-up. Anyone (Italian) here who could clear it up? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:01, 5 June 2008 (EDT) | ||
::Now I'm unsure if the name really comes from "struzzo" (ostrich). Because I read the Italian name of [[Mona]]'s microgame set "Cute Cuts" in ''WarioWare: Touched!'', which is "Tocchi ''stuzzi''canti". They replaced "cute" with "stuzzicante". As I've read, this word means "appetizing" or "stimulating". Maybe it is used in a similar manner as the English "cute" to refer to "cute" people? It would be at least more likely to name Birdo/Catherine/Strutzi after a word like this than after "ostrich". Hum, I think only a native speaker of Italian could definitely say what Strutzi means. But I don't know any such a user here on MarioWiki. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
I am actually part-Italian, but not that much. I do know that Goomba means "friend" in Italian, but that's pretty much all I know for Mario stuff. My grandfather told me that "strutzi" is actually bird and ostrich put together in English, so a pormanteau of the words, and he said it translates to "Birdostrich". Interestingly, if you take off "strich" in the English translation of Strutzi", you get Birdo. --[[User:Mariofan4eva|Mariofan4eva]] 12:13, 8 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Birdo == | == Birdo == | ||
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Hey!!!, I dont know, why? in all the Birdo article,this refer to Birdo how male!, is female!, Aaaagghhh!! I am tired of this!!. {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | Hey!!!, I dont know, why? in all the Birdo article,this refer to Birdo how male!, is female!, Aaaagghhh!! I am tired of this!!. {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | ||
:Well, it's a controversy, so not everyone will refer to Birdo as female. I think it's female, but until we've figured this out, we should maybe just say "it" and sometimes just "Birdo". Fixitup thinks that Birdo is a male passing itself as a female, but I don't know it that's true. I think Birdo is male in Japan, and Birdo used to be male, but now it's female. Maybe we should have a vote on what gender to refer to it as. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 12:59, 7 June 2008 (EDT) | :Well, it's a controversy, so not everyone will refer to Birdo as female. I think it's female, but until we've figured this out, we should maybe just say "it" and sometimes just "Birdo". Fixitup thinks that Birdo is a male passing itself as a female, but I don't know it that's true. I think Birdo is male in Japan, and Birdo used to be male, but now it's female. Maybe we should have a vote on what gender to refer to it as. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 12:59, 7 June 2008 (EDT) | ||
::I agree with having a vote, and the article of vivian has a similar problem now, it doesn't refer to her neither to male nor female. I personally think both of them are female. [[User:Javier12345|Javier12345]] 23:20, 8 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::Solution? --> Let's put a notice at the opening of the article saying that Birdo is male in Japan and female outside of Japan (or whatever is the facts)... then, just as the Wiki uses American names for everything, we use American genders as well. This doesn't mean that we remove any information, though. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:27, 9 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::This seems like a very good idea to me! I't accurate and informative but, will keep the article consistent. (Plus it is polite to call a gender confused person by there preferred gender even a fictional dinosaur.) [[User:Despot joil|Despot joil]] | |||
:::That last point is very true. I'm sure if we asked the folks at Wikipedia or Britanica they'd agree. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::Wait a minute-- her bio in Mario Kart Wii calls her "she." That settles it, she's now official female. So... can we call her as such? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 20:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT) If anyone disagrees, let's have a vote. | |||
:::As bad as I feel for FD09, since he obviously cares about this site very much, I'm afraid I'm caught siding against him again. I think he (and perhaps one other user who is not actively commenting here either) were the only opposers, so if we do end up voting there will be a majority for "she". {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:33, 10 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::I don't care one way or another on calling Birdo as a whole she, as long as the gender controversy section stays and people realize that Birdo does have that about him/herself. I personally consider Birdo male, as he's such in Japan and was such in earlier games. Also, I'd like to point out that the recent games saying Birdo is female shouldn't be the end-all deciding factor, since SOME recent games say Birdo is male (ie. Mario Strikers Charged). [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 01:05, 11 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::::You have my assurance as a sysop that removing the gender controversy section without prior consensus would currently be vandalism, and will be treated as such. Please keep in mind that the Mario Strikers series contains multiple Birdos, and thus a maximum of one can be ''the'' Birdo. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:33, 11 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::::Oh, I totally understand about the multiple Birdo's. But, at the same time, they chose their words as "he" instead of "they". Also, in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Birdo's considered "indeterminate gender," which I think works fine. Like I said, it doesn't matter much to me if the entire page says Birdo is female as long as it points out the evidence that Birdo might not be one. I do find it strange that so many people refuse to believe Birdo as anything but female, however. [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 13:17, 11 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Maybe they refuse to call Birdo anything but female because they're against this thing called ''cross-dressing''. Also, the only time Birdo is ''usually'' called a male is in Japan, sort of like Vivian (except Vivian ''is'' male in Japan). {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
You realise that crossdressing isn't an accurate term, since this character does not wear clothes...... - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | |||
:''Technically'' it is. Birdo wears a bow on it's head. Most boys, in fact, do not. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
Bows arent clothes. They're accesories..... But anyway, I thought Birdo's were a species. A species can usually be gender (outside of Pokemon, that is...). Maybe there are Girl Birdo's '''and''' Boy Birdo's... - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | |||
:Maybe...but the only time I've seen a Birdo without a bow is if you rip is off its head and in the NES SMB.2, where it said it ''did'' wear a bow. o_O {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
...Why don't we just say "Birdo's gender is extremely inconsistent from game to game" and be done with it? {{User:Blitzwing/sig}} | |||
:I support Blitz's idea. But, I have a question. In the controversy section, it says it is possible that Birdo is a transexual character. Is that really needed there? {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::Yeah, that's speculation. Get rid of it! We should say, like Blitzwing suggested, that Birdo's gender is male in the original Super Mario Bros. 2 USA and the Japanese versions of games, but female in all American releases after SMB2USA, and then walk away without drawing conclusions. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:58, 11 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
That there are multiple Birdoes in Mario Strikers doesn't count as a counter argument. There were quite a lot Birdoes in the first game already, and in this SMB2, the gender controversity (which was a controversity to begin with: "Birdo is a boy who thinks he's a girl".) was started. Birdo's gender isn't different between versions here, it's controversial within the same version. It's nothing that arose because of inconsistencies between different versions or games, but something that was intended, and it should be treated as such. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
Oh, I am sad!, this is a war!!, please,stop, Birdo is female and this is all!! {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
:If you believe in the "retcon" principle, when a game made later comes out contradicting an earlier game, the newer game takes precedence. It's not official Nintendo policy, but if you want to think of Birdo as female, you can argue that she was "retconned" into a girl. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:08, 11 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::Hey, if Nintendo intended for Birdo to be male they would refer to Birdo as "he" in her Mario Kart Wii bio. But they don't-- they refer to her as "she". Mario Strikers Charged is a game which has ''the Birdo species'' in it. If they refer to those Birdos as male, it says nothing about the individual character Birdo. So therefore, we should refer to Birdo as female in the artice. We can keep the gender controversy section, though. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 12:41, 12 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::There seems to be some confusion here over gender and sex. Gender is psychological and determined most by culture, while sex is biologically determined. Whether her sex is male or female (or whether she has any biological sex at all), is debatable, but she obviously identifies herself as female-gendered. It is for this reason I think Birdo/Birdetta should be referred to as "she" [[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 19:07, 12 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
Birdo is NOT female, regardless of your fanon opinion. I don't care if you absolutely love Birdo, he's not a she. Birdo is a male posing as a female. It is cross-dressing as he wears a bow and a diamond ring. This is how Japan ties him in with being a male posing as a female. Like I said before, due to this it is most logical to stray away from referring to Birdo as a specific gender. In America, Birdo is referred to as 'she' because Birdo looks like a she. Do you honestly expect Nintendo to tell the people playing Mario games in America to tell us Birdo's a boy with how he looks? Do you realize how confused Americans would get? It would only cause problems. Although this is an American wiki, and we go by the American way, it makes the most sense to just stray away from the gender issue in general. It only makes things easier. Calling Birdo 'she' throughout the article would only go against the true character definition, and referring to Birdo as 'he' throughout the article would only be seen as, like I said, confusing. SOO the simplest way is to call Birdo 'it' when necessary and use Birdo's name as much as possible. Do we get it yet? I don't feel like writing another one of these. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
:::It is not a "fanon" opinion. If you read what I wrote, I never said that Birdo was biologically female, in fact it was Nintendo that said "he often thinks he is girl." Transvestites and transsexuals in the real world often go by their assumed gender, not their biological one. Get your facts straight and read the preceding comments before you throw a tantrum. However, "it" will suffice.[[User: Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | |||
:Do you assume I was actually talking to you? I feel you are mistaken. Also, I'm not upset, so I don't see how I'm throwing a tantrum. Calm down, person. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::::According too more current sources, Birdo is refered too as a girl. It is '''not''' a fanon opinion that Birdo is a girl. As Goomb-omb said, get your facts straight. I think that it should be called "he" in sections where it was a boy posing as a girl, "she" in places where she is a confirmed girl, and "it" elsewhere. [[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] - [[User talk:GreenKoopa|Comments or questions?]] | |||
:Like I said, in American that is so, and I explained why. Birdo is never 'confirmed' as a girl, and more than anything, Birdo is hinted as being male. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::FD09, since when can you tell everyone what the article must say? Just because you think Birdo is male doesn't mean we have to refer to it as "he". Most of us agree here that we use "she", because she's a '''she''' in most NA games, or it. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:Something I'll never understand is why when someone tries to explain something, people assume they are trying to rule with an iron fist. Also, I never said we should refer to Birdo as he. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::Your quote: '''''Birdo is NOT female, regardless of your fanon opinion. I don't care if you absolutely love Birdo, he's not a she. Birdo is a male posing as a female.''''', you're saying that Birdo '''is''' male no matter what, basically saying that we should have it as that. I never was acting like I was ruling with an iron fist, I was questioning why ''you'' get to tell everyone what the article must say. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:Uhm, just because I said Birdo is absolutely male, doesn't mean I said that's what we should refer to Birdo as throughout the article. Also, you don't even understand what you're saying, as I never said you said you were the one ruling with an iron fist, I said you were acting like I was. Also, why should ''you'' get to tell everyone what the article says? I was voicing my opinion and explanation, nothing wrong with that. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
:::Lol I just typed that exact quote. I agree with Toadette, and also, it doesn't matter if Nintedno originally said she was male, as they currently regard her as female. Even if we all agree that Birdo is biologically male, Birdo identifies as female in any game and should be treated as such, as I said before. | |||
[[User: Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | |||
:Uh, it doesn't matter? Like I said, Birdo is only referred to as she because of its appearance. Another thing, if we are gonna do the same type of thing with the Vivian article, it won't be exactly the same, as it's not the exact same situation. Let me work my hand at trying to change it to be 'like' what we did for the Vivian article. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::::Exactly. If I'm right, SMSC was the first game to call her male since way back in the NES days in NA. She's male in Japan, to say the least, like Vivian. We called Vivian she, so we should do the same here. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:::::2 things. 1)FDo9, post comments at the ''bottom'' of the page. Simply put "So-and-so:" 2)I'm not the one bossing people around. I'm simply telling you that mos of us agree to use "she", which you're objecting. Some people also agree you're getting a little to upset about this, please calm down. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
How is the recent edit for 'ya'll'? - [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
:Good. I made some slight edits to make it less confusing, though. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
Birdo is never stated to be female, that's why when Birdo is officially referred to as "she", that's why I put that it is correct to refer to Birdo in that manner. All of what I put makes complete sense, and what you're changing has no explanation, and now you're just straying away from your point. - [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
:You said ''it doesn't refer to Birdo as female, it just refers to her as "she"''. *starts laughing* That's the funniest thing I've ever heard, FD09! We settled this already, we can re-settle it if you want. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:Now you're not even making sense. Oh wait, no change. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::Hardy-har-har. Why don't we just delete the paragraph instead of getting in an edit war? {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} 23:17, 12 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::Sorry to interrupt, but I'm confused as to why we would refer to to Birdo as male in any case. If we are dealing with "marioverse" canon, then Birdo identifies as female and should be treated as such. If we are dealing with Nintendo of America's official stance, then Birdo is female. I thought we resolved this? | |||
[[User: Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | |||
::::We ''did'', untile [[User:ForeverDaisy09|someone]] got mad and threw a tantrum. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:Yeah, you did. Also, Birdo has been stated to be male even in America. That NOA explanation had no source or reference. The paragraph explains everything, but [[User:Toadette 4evur|someone]] keeps denying things with no explanation of logic. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::I used Blitz's compromise. If you don't like it, talk to everyone who liked the idea. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
Look, it's obvious the only problem we're having here is with you. You seem to not be able to condone with the facts just because it is your personal belief that Birdo is female. I really don't know how to get it through to you, as I'm beginning to wander if you honestly don't understand. Every time I try to explain it to you, you seem to try to ignore it and focus on the fact there was a previous compromise. What you also don't get is that this does not actually intervene with the compromise. As such, there is nothing wrong with the paragraph, and you continuing the edit war is only because you want to have it your way. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
:We've had more than one. We try use them, but so many users object to it that we have to start over. Also, I requested the page be protected to stop the war. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:Once again you have ignored what I said, and you have also failed to notice the page is already protected.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::I'm not an idiot. The reason it's protected is because I requested it. Enough off-topic. I think we should remove the paragraph because all it's doing is causing an edit war. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::Actually Daisy I agree with her too. But you haven't read any of my comments or looked at my logic. Either way, she is female, no matter what canon you use. My only gripe now is that the second paragraph says "it is still correct to refer to him in the female gender" which doesn't really make any sense. I don't really think that Birdo really warrants this much strife and argument either way though. [[User: Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | |||
:::Well said Goomb-omb. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:You agree with her? Why is Birdo female? Where's the proof? You just said yourself Birdo's canon male. Also, it's so people know Birdo is male, but is referred to as she. If it doesn't make sense you aren't comprehending it correctly. It doesn't matter what people THINK because the FACT is that Birdo is not female, but it is ok to refer to him as she because of his appearance, it's that simple, and that's what the paragraph says. Oh, and yet again, Toadette 4evur has ignored my point, go figure. Also, just because someone agrees with you, doesn't make you right.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
::Birdo has been called male in about 2-3 games. It has been referred to as a female umpteen times. Just because you think Birdo is male doesn't mean its true. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:Birdo has not been called female though, and that's the point. If Birdo was female, Birdo would've been stated to be female, but has only been stated to be male. Nice try.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
One simple word: "'''It'''". Not "He" or "She", "'''It'''". :| {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | |||
:Yeah? I tried that, and this is what happened. Regardless, that would not solve the fact there is no problem with the paragraph. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
:::Poor Birdo. :P [[User: Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | |||
::::It's better than an edit war. I still think we should put something like Blitz suggested in there somewhere, though. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:You don't say that because you care about an edit war, you say it because you want to lead away from the facts. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]] | |||
Hey, calm down, FD. Is there not a Gender Controversy section? That's good enough, and you can expand from that. Just referring to Birdo as an "It" throughout the article with the gender information in said section is decent enough. No need to pick on other Users who don't share your opinion. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | |||
:The point of having that paragraph was to explain why Birdo was being referred to as she throughout the article. Adding it to another section wouldn't change anything as someone *cough* would still be determined to remove/change it. {{User|ForeverDaisy09}} | |||
FD, you do realize that if you didn't say things like "someone *cough* would still be determined to remove/change it" you might get people to agree with you, yes? Here's the facts: Nintendo most recently refers to Birdo as, "it" in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 11:04, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:So should we just call Birdo "it" then? {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::I guess we'll have to.Better than the alternatives... [[User: Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | |||
:::Yes, it's the latest official word. We'll have to see if they mention its gender in ''[[Super Mario Sluggers]]''. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:58, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::If all Birdos had the same gender, they'd be dying out rather fast. Don't take this matter to scientifically. Birdos are ''they'', the SMB2 manual refers to the species. A single character was only created in sports games, similar to Koopa. The sentence written in the manual, however, applies to a single character and not a species. I think this is non-game content. My suggestion would have been using "she" for sports games and still have the gender controversity section. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:06, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::::I guess we can do that. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::::::Yes, let's do that. Stumpers, Mario Kart Wii is more recent than Super Smash Bros. Brawl. And Mario Kart Wii calls her a she. It's Nintendo of America's latest way of referring to her, so we should go by that. And FD09, there is ''no proof'' that Birdo is a male passing herself as a female. That's your opinion. Maybe in Japan, but we are an English-speaking wiki. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 16:16, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
Uh, what? | |||
<blockquote>According to the <u>North American</u> instruction manual of Super Mario Bros. 2,</blockquote> | |||
The controversity is not Japan-only. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:22, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:However, that game might have had the species and not the single character (I don't know, actually), but that part doesn't matter. What matters is, even if Birdo was portrayed as male in that game, Nintendo has chosen to change that. Mario Kart Wii is the most recent game with Birdo in it, and she is referred to as "she" in her bio. Therefore, Nintendo of America intends for Birdo to be male now. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 16:29, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::They sure don't. That's a typo, isn't it? | |||
::This should go by the same policy as Bowser's Castle/Bowser's Keep. The article itself uses the most recent and most common name of Bowser's home. The Super Mario RPG section, however, uses the name that it was called in that specific game. We could do the same with genders here. Or simply keep the genders out of the SMB2 section overall, it are multiple Birdos anyway, and just have the gender section as is. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:33, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::Yes, I meant to type female. That would be fine, just don't you think that someone reading it would be like "huh? first it said "it" and now it says "she?" But it's your decision. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 17:42, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::No it's not. Everybody's opinion counts. My concept wouldn't use "it" for the SMB2 section, but have everything in the plural though. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:47, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::Why don't we just use ''it'' for the whole article? That way it doesn't confuse people like it would if we switch from "it" to "she" to "they" to "he" etc. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:::I think it would be best when referring to Birdoes in games other than Super Mario Bros. 2, but the Birdo in THAT game, the one that prefers to be called "Birdetta" should be referred to as she, not they, because it is just the one Birdo. [[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 18:07, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::The problem is that there are multiple Birdos in SMB2, including differently colored sub-species. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:10, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::::How about we use "they" for any section about a game that includes more than one Birdo and "it" for the rest? {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:::::No, I think we should say "she" (I've already said why) in the parts about where Birdo is not referred to as male. But I'm still figuring out whether SMB2 has ''Birdos'' or ''the Birdo''.{{unsigned|CrystalYoshi}} | |||
::::::I think that would be fine, since Birdo is more of a "thing" it is okay to use "it."Also, I was always under the impression that that was the same Birdo over and over again in SMB2 :/ Also, if the Birdo you think is male is the one that is called "Birdetta", that too should be referred to as she.[[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 18:17, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::::::We don't know if it is really boy or girl though, CrystalYoshi, and if we use "it", no-one can say "Birdo is a boy, take out the 'shes'", or vice-versa. Also, SMB2 has "Birdos", there are about 16 different Birdos in the game, I highly doubt you'd same Birdo over and over...{{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
Cobold, I think you're going off in the wrong direction. This article is about ''the'' Birdo, so no, we're not saying that all Birdos are female, male, or whatever. Any content about multiple Birdos should be on [[Birdo (species)]]. This article is a little out of date, unfortunately, so maybe that's where the confusion was, I dunno. ''Super Mario Bros. 2 USA'' did indeed have a single Birdo. As you all know, the instruction booklet refers to a single Birdo, right? So, unless there's some obscure thing I missed where they say, "At the end of the first level of each world you will fight ''a'' Birdo," then there's only one Birdo in the game. The remake further clarifies this, since Birdo is given a voice actress. When you first meet the green Birdo, she says, "I'm ready for you this time!" So, in other words there's no reason to use they. Just, "he," "she," or "it." Regardless of which pronoun Nintendo of America decided to use, we do still have that official statement from ''Brawl'' that calls Birdo (or her species, it's not clear) "gender indeterminate." The Webster definition of indeterminant is, "not precisely determined or established; not fixed or known in advance" So, yes, it probably has a gender, but there's no real way to tell. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:27, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:I doubt you'd fight the same Birdo about 16 times in SMB2. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::This subject is much more complicated than I thought. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:33, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::Why do you find that hard to believe? Bowser falls in lava again and again, you wouldn't say there were more than one Bowsers. I always got the distinct impression that there was only one Birdo in existence, until the sports games, etc. So don't you all think that THAT particular Birdo was a 'she'? It feels like we are going in circles here :/18:35, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::You're not listening to me! ''Birdo is called "she" in her MKWii bio, and that's after SSBB!'' So we should say she. Maybe for the SMB2 part, we could say, "Birdo might have been male in this game." Then we could use "he" or "it". But in the rest of the article, we should say she. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 18:36, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::By that logic, the European version of Brawl, which is yet to be released, should also use "she". Which it won't, I bet on that. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:41, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::We actually do consider [[False Bowser]]s separately. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:37, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::Plus, there are different colored Birdos. Don't get me wrong, I think Birdo is female, but I think "it" is the best solution. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::::Yoshis change color in SMW. Also, I didn't mean false bowsers, I meant at the as the very last boss, when he is finally defeated in games like SMB or SMB3. If Nintendo has most recently called Birdo she, then that's what Birdo is. Regardless, the Birdo in question, from SMB2, identifies as female, and should be called she.[[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 18:42, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::::But those are considered different Yoshis. Like Cobold said, the PAL version of Brawl will likely call Birdo it, making that game the most recent English game. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
Here's a deal: Use "it" and be happy with it. ;) - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:45, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:Haven't I been suggesting that for the last half hour? :P {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
::I vaguely remember. =P - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:48, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::I just hope that someone who hasn't read this doesn't bring this up again in a couple months (along with vivian) :x Now I'm confused about the whole Yoshi color thing....:X[[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 19:01, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::If they do we should just tell them we've settled this...umpteen times...{{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
I can't help but think that this whole argument wouldn't have happened if I didn't even mention Birdo on Vivian's talk page lol. Why is it that whatever I do is followed by controversy? First Baby Daisy and now this... [[User:Moonshine|Moonshine]] | |||
:It's not your fault. This page had very much potential for a controversity before you mentioned it. It would have happened sooner or later. The general editing policy of practically everyone here is that "you are wrong and I am right". Problematic, but I don't see that easily changing without us having either tiresome debates or heated proposals. ;) - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 19:35, 13 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
Okay, so are we all agreed on "it" or should we take this to the proposals? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:36, 14 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
:I'd actually rather have a proposal, because that would settle it once and for all. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 08:56, 14 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::The majority agrees on calling Birdo "it". {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:::I honestly don't think that that makes much sense. Doesn't it seem like Nintendo intends for Birdo to be female? If you ''really'' just want to say it for someone who Nintendo has said was a she, go ahead. But: if another game comes up where Birdo is referred to as female, we should reconsider. Oh, and I'm putting it in the gender controversy section that Birdo was referred to as female in MKWii. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 14:10, 17 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::I'd like for her to be "she" as well, but if we do that, we'll get a bunch of complaints from people who think Birdo is a boy. We don't want that. {{User:Toadette 4evur/sig}} | |||
:::Do whatever you want. But I'd like to note that ''many'' of Birdo's bios, not jsut her MKWii one, call her she. But I really don't care anymore. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 19:59, 17 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::Sorry, I know we're done with this, but just to back up my point that there is just one Birdo in SMB2, when you place Super Mario Advance and defeat Birdo, she says "I'll remember thiiiiis!" And as for the fact of Birdo changing color, the part of super mario world I was referring to is the stage where you have Yoshi and jump into the pair of flying wings, and your Yoshi remains as a Blue Yoshi even after the level is completed. | |||
Sorry to beat a dead horse, I just wanted to get that out there :P [[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 13:10, 19 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
Hey!, Captain Rainbow???,ridiculous!! is a lie! {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
:Go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yEhvG4jYoQ, it's the trailer for Captain Rainbow which clearly shows Birdo (with a male voice I might add). Stop deleting factual information and replacing it with fan speculation. [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 17:58, 12 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
"That bug is not Birdo!, Just look! That does not resemble Birdo, or has the same size as it or anything! Clearly it is a cheap copy and stupid! A Birdo does not have a human voice! There is a Birdo in Super Mario Advance that talks however that Birdo has a female voice! Understand?" {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
If I may? Sorry to be quick, on my Wii. Does the controversy matter? If Birdo claims femininity, call Birdo a girl simply to run things smooth. I mean, if you identified as a girl but weren't, you'd want to not be called a boy. Follow the silver rule (treat others as they wish to be treated, foolishly second to "as you wish..." but whatever) and the controversy dissolves. | |||
Shrikeswind | |||
Mostly on the games Birdo is called a 'girl' back then when 'she' first came out she was considered a boy, but now like 2005 to 2012 birdo is considered a girl. {{unsigned|Birdoispink}} | |||
== Birdo in Captain Rainbow == | |||
Birdo seems to have a quite big role in the upcoming obscure crossover Wii game Captain Rainbow (see [http://uk.wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14265257/captain-rainbow/videos/captainrainbow_070908_1.html here]). Considering it's by Nintendo, should we put the information on this article or at [[Game Sightings]]? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:45, 25 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
:Who is Captain Rainbow anyway? And why would Birdo be in some other game like that? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 08:31, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
Birdo's information should probably go on her page, assuming she has a decent role in the game. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | |||
:Even if this is just a cameo, per that recent cameo appearances proposal, this information should be in both places. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 10:37, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
Maybe it's now too early to decide if this game needs an article. We don't know enough about the importance of ''Mario'' characters in ''Captain Rainbow'' so far. All three present trailers with English subtitles can be watched here: | |||
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglnx0deSdw 1st trailer] – Birdo about the main character Nick/Captain Rainbow | |||
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8PzU01nLvU 2nd trailer] – Little Mac about Birdo's part (a Piranha Plant is briefly seen as well) | |||
**[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuSFwqGbyaA 2nd trailer] – Translation of Birdo's lines | |||
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpYyLjdSt9w 3rd trailer] – Takamaru about Little Mac's part | |||
--[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 10:44, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
We have an articles upon articles about Super Smash Bros... I suppose we should do the same for Captain Rainbow? I wouldn't consider it because it is a crossover title that is not in the ''Mario'' series, but I suppose for consistency we'll have to, because this Wiki is not about to call for the deletion of the SSB articles. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 10:50, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
:If you think it is needed now, I'd support a single article for ''Captain Rainbow'', but currently no articles for the Mario-unrelated characters, for reasons I told. For example, there is an article on ''[[SSX on Tour]]'', but no links for the Mario-unrelated stuff, because the game isn't Mario-influenced enough. ''Smash Bros.'' seris are full of major Mario references, that's a different thing. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 10:56, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
::I agree with that. We could get an article considering we have [[Captain N: The Game Master]], in that style. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:11, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
We can probably do something similar to what the Zelda Wiki did for [http://zeldawiki.org/Soul_Calibur_II Soul Calibur II]. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | |||
Where is the bar for "Mario-influenced enough"? We consider Smash Bros. because it is "full of Mario references" But that still doesn't mean we have to cover all of the Zelda, Metroid, Sonic, MGS, etc. content in the game. I know of an Animal Crossing, a Sonic, and a Metroid Wiki that only cover Animal Crossing, Sonic, and Metroid references, leaving the Mario references at the door. We're alone in the fact that we cover everything (and that is fine; I'm not complaining). So, then we have Tetris DS, and we covered everything about that title because it contained numerous Mario references. Then we have SSX and NBA Street, which we don't cover. The big difference, looking objectively, between these titles is that Smash and TDS are Nintendo published titles. SSX and NBA aren't. But then we bring in Idakdi (or whatever) Street DS and Mario & Sonic. We cover all of it even though it wasn't published by Nintendo. So, where's the line here? The line is not defined by the Mario series crossing over with a single series (Smash crossed over with everyone), it's not a first party/third party arguement. As far as I can figure, it's opinion that we're looking at. We're not covering the Legend of Zelda cartoon, Captain N, and now it looks like we're not covering Rainbow. Two "alternate canon" sources, which the majority of the Wiki ignores, and an obscure title that no one feels attached to. We seriously need some consistency here. Yet, I have to agree. Like each of the Smash Bros games, Captain Rainbow only deserves one article listing the Mario references. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:08, 26 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
:Captain Rainbow will be published by Nintendo. Would you want to cover it now? I don't think we should cover the game, the article only should be about the Mario influence. Because the game, unlike the other cross-over games, has a story, we have to go a little more in-depth in this case though, just as we did with Captain N. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:35, 27 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
==Isn't Birdo a Guy?== | |||
It says that Birdo is a guy in the SMB2 Instruction Manual. {{User:Goomba94/sig}} | |||
:There's a big debate behind Birdo's gender. In Japan, Birdo is named Catherine, and is indeed male. The translation of the instruction manual was taken directly, but Nintendo of America seems to shy away on Birdo being a transvestite. In some recent games, they've referred to Birdo as a female (Mario & Luigi called her "dame," and a few of the sports games, not to mention SMB2 for Advance), but other games use "gender indeterminate" or stick with the male version (Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Strikers Charged, Captain Rainbow). So really, it could go either way... America needs to sort it out and either confirm that Birdo is "female" (which wouldn't make sense anyway since the original Japanese character is male), or keep it a male, which would make it a very unique character in the world of video games (the first transvestite Nintendo character). [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 19:24, 31 August 2008 (EDT) | |||
::TMK has recently added a work-in-progress [http://themushroomkingdom.net/birdo.shtml Birdo special]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:57, 3 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::This is a really easy solution, people - just use "it" like in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 16:14, 12 November 2008 (EST) | |||
== Trivia == | |||
I wonder about the following trivia a user some time ago added: | |||
*In the anime: School Rumble, a teacher have a [[Birdo Egg]]. | |||
So I looked up Wikipedia. But both in the main article for the anime and in the character list, the word "egg" is nowhere mentioned. So this trivia needs further explanation, if it is true. But if it is just an egg with pink dots, it could be coincidence. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 11:07, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
:Especially because Birdo eggs are also traditional white eggs except in MK:DD. Unless School Rumble has a history of making small references to video games and such, I'd say we should remove this. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:50, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
== WHO is Birdo's Creator? == | |||
I tried using google but it couldn't even find the answer to that question. | |||
You know, it would be Very Convenient to update every Character's Page to list it's Creator. | |||
Kinda like this: | |||
*Mario | |||
*"Picture" | |||
*Full Name: Mario Mario | |||
*First Appearance: Donkey Kong (1981) | |||
*Species: Human | |||
*Affiliation(s): Mushroom Kingdom | |||
*Latest Appearance: Mario Super Sluggers | |||
*++Created by: Shigeru Miyamoto++ | |||
--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 22:39, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
:As far as I know your best bet would be to look up the Super Mario Bros. 2 credits and find character design. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:21, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
::Youtube may also have a video of the end credits. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 00:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
Oh! I know!! her creator is: Shigeru Miyamoto, right? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
:It's very possible, but game credits would say for sure. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 00:50, 24 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
== Featured Article! == | |||
Her article is perrrfect!!! can be a featured article? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
:Currently there is an improvement tag (the trivia section is too long). As long as it has this tag, it cannot be nominated. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 08:35, 18 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
Ok!, what do you think, now?, it is short and better {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} yeah? | |||
:Definitely better! I think it's short enough to be featured now, but I can't say for sure I won't vote against it. Don't worry, though, I promise to make my comments legitimate and work on them myself. ;3 {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:40, 18 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
Ok! {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
== Artwork == | |||
I've found her artwork from the menu: Captain Selection (Mario Super Sluggers) so.. can I put the pic? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
:Of course! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:14, 26 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
::You gotta be kidding me, Birdoshi! Are you referring to her "main" art for the captain selection, or the art we see on the loading screen before the game begins? - M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 12:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
===The pictures! === | |||
{{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
<gallery> | |||
Image:Loading.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | |||
Image:Daisylololo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | |||
Image:Peachlolo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]'' | |||
</gallery> | |||
The first one is edited...The other ones look fine tho. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}} | |||
Oh.... ;_; {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} .... T_T | |||
:Hey but look on the bright side, those other 3 images are very useful :) {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}} | |||
Ok! {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
==Grey Birdos?== | |||
On the page that shows the levels in SMB2, A Grey Birdo is labled as an enemy. As far as I know, there never was a grey one. Is there any proof of any? {{unsigned|Chaos}} | |||
Bye Bye dear Birdo!!!!! n_n {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
==Birdo the Character?== | |||
I don't think we can say all of these appearances featured the same exact Birdo. Instead we can say that there is a prominent pink Birdo in the Mario series just as there is a prominent Green Yoshi, although the actual Birdo or Yoshi could be different in different appearances. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} | |||
:I think a disclaimer statement to that effect would be fine. Go for it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:38, 22 December 2008 (EST) | |||
I found an image of birdo at mario and sonic at the olympic games. i'm a noob -_- so please don't say THIS IS THE WRONG FORUM D:< | |||
[IMG]http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j82/Mop_it_up/Official%20Nintendo%20Artwork/BirdoSkate.png[/IMG] | |||
:: The picture is a fake! It is not real, and all the characters are all pretty much confirmed! And, I think it ''is'' a wrong forum. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} | |||
== "It" is not correct == | |||
I hate to bring this issue up yet again, but I did some research in response to the similar gender/pronoun trouble brought up on [[Talk:Vivian]], and I found that calling a transsexual (like Birdo) "it" is actually considered derogatory. According to the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, transsexuals should be identified with the gender ''they'' identifies ''themselves'' with (see [http://www.glaad.org/media/guide/transfocus.php here]), so Birdo should be called a "she" in the article. ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'' may call Birdo an "it", but it's the exception, not the rule. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:38, 24 December 2008 (EST) | |||
:Yes exactly. Birdo (or at least some of these Birdos) may be "biologically" male, but their gender is female, so "she" would be the proper pronoun. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} | |||
== Super Mario Advance ^,^ == | |||
Well, this information, must be in this page: http://www.mariowiki.com/Birdo_%28species%29 , right? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} | |||
== Changing colors? == | |||
How is it possible that Birdo appears with different colors and abilities in each level? Is it a special power of hers, or are the Birdos in the game just generic Birdos? {{unsigned|Chaos}} | |||
:Well, [[Yoshi]] changes colours and abilities depending on what he eats (or encounters, as is the case with the wings that turn him blue in ''Super Mario World''), so it's possible Birdo can do the same. However, that's just speculation, so it can't be included in the article. As for whether or not they're all one Birdo or multiple Birdos, I'm not sure if that's ever been set in stone, to be honest; but I could be mistaken. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:50, 11 March 2009 (EDT) | |||
I think it might be possible that Birdo does possess the same ability, but, because it's never been stated, this is just speculation. I think the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual was labeling Birdo herself as an individual Birdo that appears, and wasn't trying to say that each Birdo is Birdo. {{unsigned|Chaos}} | |||
== Is Birdo evil, or does she happen to attack because of circumstance, like Petey Piranha? == | |||
It never really said that Birdo is evil, and she's been portrayed as a nice and peacful creature. She never seems to attack the Mario Bros. unless there's special circumstances, such as them attacking Popple, and Wart enslaving the creatures of Subcon and forcing them to work for him (which might include Birdo). In Mario RPG, she attacks Mario because she "wanted to play" and "didn't want to let Mario go", and she was raised as a weapon. (although she didn't turn out like one) {{unsigned|Chaos}} | |||
I think she's peaceful {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} n,n | |||
:In Mario & Luigi, he helps Peach out, but then later recognizes Mario and Luigi and seems to have a vendetta against them. This is her last appearance in a storyline-based game so far. I'm guessing it's situational, and Peach? Well, she's not one to make a lot of enemies anyway. Best to think of Birdo as a "neutral" character, like Wario (for the most part). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:33, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
== Birdo's Gender == | |||
I Am so confused about birdos gender.I know that it was origionally known as a guy. I still believe birdos a girl but I'm wondering when this problem with birdos gender will end. I just hope the problem ends soon. | |||
{{unsigned|2centsteddy}} | |||
Don't worry {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} she's female :P | |||
:Male in Japan. Whatever you want it to be outside of Japan. There, hope that satisfies everybody. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:29, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
Birdo,Birdo,Birdo. (it is repetitive). ''She'' is a good idea. {{unsigned|Linlin}} | |||
== Catherine or Katherine == | |||
I know.. that's her japanese name ,but what's the correct name? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} ',' | |||
The Japanese romaji says "Kyasarin". It can technically translate either way, as the pronunciation should be identical to what they're going for. However, if you really want to know which one is the "correct" one, Catherine seems to be the preferred English spelling as seen in Japanese materials. For example, the Mario Kart: Double Dash website (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gm4j/02.html) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:50, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
== The SMB2 image? == | |||
I thought only the pink variation was seen in the solo artwork. Someone recolor it? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:51, 28 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
:I have never seen that artwork of Birdo in orange (Birdo is orange on the covers of ''Doki Doki Panic'' and ''Super Mario USA'', but the artwork looks different there). I asked the same question before, but nobody really seemed to know why. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Gender?== | |||
Shouldn't it be "sex"? There really is no confusion on her gender, she identifies as female. Gender and sex are two different things [[User:NinjaCupcake|NinjaCupcake]] 14:38, 5 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Good point. The most appropriate title would be "Gender and Sex", since the section deals with both aspects of Birdo's sexuality, but my guess is that we've shied away from a "sex"-containing header because of the obvious homonym trouble. It's better to simply go with plain "Gender" and avoid all the complaints / edit wars as people try and change it to something less eye-grabbing. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:37, 6 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
==Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Manual== | |||
I (finally) found my Double Dash!! manual and here's what it has to say for Birdo: "女の子に見えるけど、 実は…？" This literally translates to "Looks like a girl, but actually...?" This doesn't come out and say clearly that Birdo is male, but implies so. What to make of it? --{{User|Garlic Man}} | |||
:As far as I know, Birdo is simply considered to be a male in Japan; the fact that the manual writers for ''Mario Kart: Double Dash!!'' decided to be coy about it doesn't change anything. (For the record, the NA English version reads "Birdo's decked out in her favorite bow and ready to race!") - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:48, 9 January 2010 (EST) | |||
::Yeah, I realize it doesn't change anything. Which is why I asked what to make of it. It was just an implication that Birdo's gender is, at the very least, unspecified in Japan. --{{User|Garlic Man}} | |||
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==Corrections that need to be made== | |||
Hi, I noticed several errors in the article, but since the article is locked right now, I cannot fix them myself. In the section [[Birdo#Mario_Party_series|Mario Party series]], the game ''Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher'' needs to be italicized (it appears in the last sentence of that section). Also, in the introduction of the article, the following sentence needs to be re-written as it is a run-on: | |||
:''The central Birdo character (that appears in the Mario Kart series, the Mario Party series and the various sports titles) wears a red bow, a diamond ring, she also has some sort of relationship with Yoshi as they are the automatic partners in various competitions, and is a good friend of Daisy, Toadette, and Petey Piranha.'' | |||
Also, I think it would make sense to wikilink ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' in the section ''[[Birdo#Super_Mario_Bros._2|Super Mario Bros. 2]]''. It is located in the second paragraph. Thanks, <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 17:56, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
Also found this sentence, which will also need to be rephrased. It's the last sentence of the section [[Birdo#Physical_Description|Physical Description]]: | |||
:''In the Japanese commercial for Super Mario All-Stars, she wears a very expensive black dress, adorned with a black necklace with many pearls, also she wears a white stole, and a very elegant fan.'' | |||
<b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:12, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
''Also'', in the second sentence of the section [[Birdo#Powers_and_Abilities|Powers and Abilities]], the following sentence is missing a subject, in which I've inserted a blank space: | |||
:''Birdo has also shown the ability to utilize her snout in a manner similar to a vacuum, using her '''_____''' to suck things closer to herself or even swallow them...'' | |||
If an admin wants to unlock the page, I'd be happy to make these edits, along with anything else I come across. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:18, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
:Unlock the page, at least for a bit. Let this new user work! =) [[User:Culex|Culex]] 18:51, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
::Great, thanks! <small>Oh, wait, I thought you unlocked it :P But thanks for the support ;)</small> <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:53, 12 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
I've made the changes since I got autoconfirmed today. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 15:15, 19 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
:Thanks for being patient about the autoconfirmation and fixing up the article! Protecting pages is only meant to dissuade vandals (and this is a prime target, so it's a necessity here, I'm afraid), so I'm glad productive newcomers aren't driven away as well. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:39, 24 April 2010 (EDT) | |||
==Featured Article== | |||
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It would be easier to nominate it first people don't comment on these talk pages very often but i think it has all the info needed to be nominate personally {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} | |||