Editing Talk:List of allies

==Delete this article==

I've honestly never liked the [[:Category:Allies|system of categorizing allies]] that's been in place. A character can be a considered an ally at the drop of a hat (which often includes [[Einstein|being kind of helpful]] [[Garson|to the heroes]] [[Gooma|at one point]] and [[Doctor Toadley's intern|being next]] [[Gabbro|to the heroes]] [[Elvin Parsley|at one point]], and more often than not they end up encompassing every supporting character that appears in a game. How that category should be dealt with is a problem for another time, but that really outlines why this page is pointless. The point of these major lists ([[List of games|games]], [[List of species|species]], [[List of items|items]], etc.) is so that we can have a convenient and coherent list of basically every single element. However, what's the point of having a list that cherry-picks a handful of characters from the [[List of characters|list of characters]]? It's retreading what doesn't need to be retread. I really don't see why a character that popped in once to help Mario is worthy of being separated-but-not-really into its own list. Everyone here is already listed on the list of characters, by the way, so it's not like it's unreasonable to have them there. The bottom line is, there's really no reason for this to be separate. Since everything here's already in the same condition on the larger list, simply deleting the list will work out.

===Delete===

#{{User|Time Turner}} I support my proposal.

===Not delete===

#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} per... oh wait I'm alone wah. But still I want to see all the allies.

#{{User|Mario}} This list helps filter allies to make them easier to find. We have a list of not only characters, but enemies, species, which all overlap in some way. Same goes for this list. Besides, allies, usually allied species, including [[Bob-omb Buddy]], [[Board (Super Mario Galaxy)]], [[Helibird]], [[Huffin' Puffin]], and several others, are not on "List of characters", and I'd argue that critters such as [[Blitty]] go on this list, not on the characters list. You might as well merge allies, enemies, and species all into the characters list, which I don't really support. The bottom line: this list is not redundant and it serves its purpose meaningfully.

===Comments===

'''@Toadbriage5''': Can you elaborate as to why you want to see them? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

:"However, what's the point of having a list that cherry-picks a handful of characters from the [[List of characters|list of characters]]?"

:All right, a select few of the already-select few are species. That's just reinforcing my point everything here's already elsewhere. Besides, why would you specifically need allies? In what situation would it be beneficial to have all of the friendly people separated and not just a part of the main collection? Also, why do allies get to be separate? What makes the very, very vague description of "possibly helped/was there at some point" worth making a whole list for? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

::I don't understand how it's a "select few"; I can make only so many examples at a time, and I don't understand how it reinforces your point. My point I'm making is that this list and the list of characters don't overlap to the point where it's unnecessary, while your point is that it's redundant with "List of characters". I think it's necessary to have allies because it organizes characters the same way the list of enemies do. I consider this list to be the "List of enemies" counterpart, so removing this list would feel uneven. The description is vague, yes, but wouldn't enemies as well fall under a fairly vague definition? {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:34, 24 September 2014 (EDT)

:I've always thought of enemies as being the mooks you see roaming around on your way to the castle, like Goombas, Bloopers, Boos, and whatnot, and for the most part, that's what 90% of the list is for. It's not meant for listing literally everyone that's opposed the heroes so much as it is compiling a list of everything you can stomp on in the games (at least in my head). Seeing things like [[Iggy (film character)]] and [[Chun-Li]] on that list feels off to me. It's like having a graph that's a perfect straight line except for a single dot that skyrockets in the other direction; even if it's a legitimate point on your graph, you wonder if it's even worth including when it's so separated. That's kind of my problem with the allies: it's basically doing that, but with a bunch of different characters (and species, but mostly characters), to the point where lining up everyone on the list feels jarring. At this point, though, this is less of an objective look at the lists and more of my personal opinion. I really need to sort my thoughts out... {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

::I've made a suggestion on your talk page about ''maybe'' ditching ''allies'', ''enemies'', and ''bosses'' lists and focusing on the organization on the superlists: ''characters'' and ''species''. And yeah, I think the same way when it comes to enemies. Besides, I wouldn't think Chun-Li qualifies. She's more "neutral", just a contestant Mario engages. There isn't a hardline definition for enemy, though, which is perhaps the core of the problem, but by focusing on just ''species'' and ''characters'', I think the problem won't be there. {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:18, 24 September 2014 (EDT)