Talk:Koopa Striker

I don't think this should be counted as a sub-species of Hammer Bros.; it was just a theory that they originally were, plus there named "Koopa Striker", not "Striker Brother". -- Sir Grodus

Koopa Troopa?

Copying what I wrote in Talk:Chargin' Chuck over to here:

The main argument for Koopa Strikers being a variant of Koopa Troopa, from what I understand, is the English (and other languages whose scripts were translated from English) name for Koopa Striker and Troopa Striker, but aside from that? I mean, it looks kinda like a Koopa Troopa, but so do Hammer Bros in these games. And in the catch card list, the various types of Koopa Troopas, Paratroopas, and Koopatrols appear all together, while the Strikers appear later on in the list alongside other Koopa clan enemies like the Bros and Magikoopas. And unlike the explicitly Koopa Troopa enemies (even the Bones, which admittedly also listed separately), its Japanese catch card description doesn't refer to it as "Nokonoko", but as a "カメ族だいひょう" (Koopa clan representative?), which just mentions the Koopa clan in general. So I'm thinking the Strikers are just their own thing.

So, I guess, if anyone has thoughts... discussion can happen, or something. Blinker (talk) 14:36, January 17, 2024 (EST)

It's also not "Troopa" Striker, it's "Toopa" Striker, the pun being they're found in pairs (something primarily associated with Hammer Bros, not Troopas). I was always a little iffy on them being classified here due to their unconventional pink heads with tiny eyes and big red eyebrows, and the fact that SPM's Hammer Bros (which are not Troopas) also share many of the same visual characteristics with Troopas as these guys do. The only thing Strikers have more than them is that they duck into their shells when hit. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:48, January 17, 2024 (EST)

I think it's possible they're not actually variants of Koopa Troopas, but I feel it is clear that they are Koopas of some sort, like how Buzzy Beetles or Lakitus are. My simplistic point of view can see more general similarities than Chargin Chucks and Boom Booms (stance, shell shape, some naming, behavior sorta, mostly backing up the last thing Doc mentioned with the ducking into their shells when jumped on), but that's also coming from someone who's... well, just going by what he sees and reads. My stance is that they could be variants of Koopa Troopas, but I'm not going to argue/debate against the opposite, cause there are fair points made there too. Tails777 Talk to me!15:07, January 17, 2024 (EST)

Stop considering them a variant of Koopa Troopa

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Tuesday, May 21, 2024, 18:23 GMT

Basically the above section, as a proposal. The goal is to classify Koopa Striker as a variant of the Koopa clan in generally instead of Koopa Troopa specifically.

Here are the arguments:

• Name: None of the enemy's names reference Koopa Troopa specifically, nor do those of its harder variants.
• Appearance: While its appearance has some similarities to Koopa Troopa, so does the game's Hammer Bro design, as you can see:

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• Catch Card list position: The Catch Card list generally lists related enemies close together. The Koopa Troopa, Mega Koopa, Koopatrol, Paratroopa and their dark variants are all listed next to each other. Dry Bones and their relatives are listed separately, admittedly.
• Catch Card description: It seems that the catch card descriptions were changed a lot in translation. Maybe because of text space restrictions? To add humor? Both? In the Japanese version, the aforementioned Koopa Troopa enemies including the Bones enemies are all described as Nokonoko (Koopa Troopas). The Koopa Striker, however, is just described as belonging to the Kame-zoku (Koopa clan).

Anyways, I think that's all.

Proposer: Blinker (talk)
Deadline: February 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Blinker (talk) Per proposal.
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - This has bothered me for a while. While I stand by what I said on the Chargin' Chuck proposal, in this case there's more to separating them than keeping them a subset from what I can tell. Per proposal. (Also the irony that the one original enemy in this game to not have that weird abstract style and also fits perfectly in the Mario platformers behavior-wise never appeared again...)
3. Hewer (talk) Sure, per proposal.
4. Super Mario RPG (talk) Per proposal.
5. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

1. Arend (talk) I understand the predicament here, but there's a bit of an issue here that prevents me from fully supporting this (aside from the fact that they still have Koopa in the name in most languages like a lot of other Koopa Troopa subspecies in the game): their attack pattern is incredibly similar to that of a blue Unshelled Koopa Troopa in Super Mario World, which kicks other Koopa Shells in Mario's direction. As such, a Koopa Striker's shell not only resembles a Koopa Troopa shell with soccer ball colors, but functions the exact same, too. The only non-Koopa Troopa Koopas I can think of which shell functions similarly are Buzzy Beetle, Spiny, and probably Snortoise (even though the wiki DOES consider that one a Koopa Troopa): none of which resemble a Koopa Troopa as much as Koopa Striker does. If the proposal passes, we should at the very least consider these as comparable to blue Unshelled Koopas, if not related.
2. Tails777 (talk) Per Arend.

Comments

How is this treated across other languages? LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:22, January 27, 2024 (EST)

As usual in this game, names in most other languages follow the English version, while the Korean translation follows the Japanese version. No idea about the card bios though, I only found those in English and Japanese. Blinker (talk) 10:07, January 28, 2024 (EST)