Talk:Challenges (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)

Delete all Super Smash Bros. challenges pages

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Current time: Saturday, May 4, 2024, 03:57 GMT

In addition to this article, the following articles would be affected:

• Challenges (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)
• Challenges (Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS)
• Challenges (Super Smash Bros. for Wii U)

With the increasing trend in the changes that have been made to various Smash Bros. articles and categories, I believe that these articles should be next on this wiki's list. Most of these articles just contain content that is displayed in-game, and they're also identical to how the SmashWiki lists them: SSBB SSB4-3DS SSB4-Wii U SSBU With that said, I think that we can safely delete these articles without any major concerns to this wiki.

I have decided to make three options for this poll. They are:

• Delete the articles. This means that none of their contents will remain on this wiki, save for a short paragraph or so on the games' main articles.
• Delete the articles, but move the contents. The articles will still be removed, but their contents (including the tables they have) are fully moved to each of the games' main articles. It might result in the articles becoming bloated, but it's an option if people want to preserve the content.
• Keep only Mario-related content. (new) Focuses on challenges with content involving Mario and sub-series. I think it will still be moved to the main pages unless the content remaining is justifiable.
• Do not delete (Do nothing). The articles will remain as is.

I should also note that for Wii U and Ultimate's articles do not currently have a challenges section, but I can make one for these if necessary, should one of the first two options pass.

Proposer: BMfan08 (talk)
Deadline: April 19, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Delete the articles

1. BMfan08 (talk) My primary choice, per the proposal.
2. Super Mario RPG (talk) Absolutely. The proposal gives a perfect argument for the content's removal, since this is just replicating what SmashWiki already has.
3. LadySophie17 (talk) per proposal.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Secondary choice--we feel like this might be a little extreme given what we did to Masterpieces, but we wouldn't mind.

Delete the articles, but move the contents

1. Camwoodstock (talk) This is our primary choice. Given what we did to Masterpieces, it seems only fair to consolidate these tables into a much more easily summarized format and merge them over to the games' respective articles.
2. Arend (talk) It makes more sense to move the contents than straight-up removing it, given some of the challenges are still Mario-related like with Masterpieces.

Keep only Mario-related content

1. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
2. Mario (talk) Per comment.

Do not delete (Do nothing)

1. Koopa con Carne (talk) Some challenges involve Mario characters gameplay-wise ("Use Donkey Kong 20 times in brawls.", "Brawl on the Yoshi's Island Melee stage 3 times.") and may unlock Mario stages, spirits, and whatnot upon completion. That's not even getting into how a lot of challenges across 3DS/Wii U/Ultimate are represented using Mario characters (in Ultimate's case, even titled after them). While you can argue that these pages also have a lot of superfluous content that is irrelevant to anyone looking up info on Mario Wiki, I find the lists to still be useful for the purposes of presenting the information that is relevant to Mario. There's better ways to handle this; the point of these proposals has never been to go nuclear on anything and everything that doesn't come from the Mario series, but to subject these non-Mario subjects to a triage based on how much they interact with Mario and co. within Smash games, which I believe is a good approach to have for the type of crossover game represented by Smash in the wiki's coverage policy.
2. Hewer (talk) The only times we've completely thrown out Smash information instead of merging or condensing it in some way were when it really was barely or not at all relevant to Mario, and per Koopa con Carne, this is not one of those times. And I still don't really like the logic of basing what we do on other entirely separate wikis.
3. Tails777 (talk) Per all. Koopa con Carne and Hewer have basically said everything I'd also say.
4. Arend (talk) Secondary choice.

Comments

I think restricting it to just Mario content the way that was done in Taunt might be the way to go. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:58, April 5, 2024 (EDT)

Should I go ahead and add it as an option? BMfan08 (talk) 21:22, April 5, 2024 (EDT)

I don't see why not. Go ahead! SolemnStormcloud (talk) 09:26, April 6, 2024 (EDT)

It is done. BMfan08 (talk) 10:52, April 6, 2024 (EDT)

We personally hold a bit of contention with only retaining the Mario-related information, which is mostly because of our preference for the "merge to the games' article" option, but also, in regards to that option... What actually counts as Mario-related information? Is it just challenges that involve Mario characters? Is it challenges whose images depict Mario characters, even if their challenge is more generic? Is it challenges whose images depict Mario characters, even if the challenge itself is character-specific to a non-Mario character like Ultimate's "As Little Mac, hit an opponent with a KO Uppercut in Boxing Ring" and "As Pac-Man, get a score of 7650 with his Final Smash" challenges? How about challenges that only have a Mario thing as a reward, like Brawl's "Clear Classic with all characters"? What if the challenge relies on a Mario-related stage, but is otherwise unrelated, like the "Brawl on the Mushroomy Kingdom stage 10 times" challenge in Brawl? What will we do about for 3DS and for Wii U's grid-based Challenge boards, that which already have a full representation of the grid by the table itself--will we have to depict these challenge boards in an entirely different manner to truncate the non-Mario information? ~Camwoodstock (talk) 22:50, April 6, 2024 (EDT)

That, unfortunately, might be out of the scope of the proposal. While I would be open to interpretation of this particular option, I'm already at so many options that they're at a standstill that likely will not resolve itself unless everyone votes to turn the proposal down. I'm not settled on an option necessarily, but if the wiki wanted to include every single picture, description, and reward that referenced Mario, I would be okay with it.
Also, I believe that, since SmashWiki already covers the information for for 3DS and for Wii U in a grid, that we could do with just a table. BMfan08 (talk) 00:20, April 7, 2024 (EDT)

I'd limit to Any challenge that requires a particular Mario asset (such as requiring a playable character; in Smash 4 and Ultimate, this usually entails in a reward image showing the character in question, such as the infamous "clear this Crazy Challenges x times) with Mario and you see Mario posing next to treasure chests) and/or gives out a Mario award. I think people browsing on MarioWiki would benefit with Mario-related information, get particular about the information, but eh. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:54, April 7, 2024 (EDT)