Editing User talk:Trig Jegman

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==The Actual Talk Page==
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===New rules=== 
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For your information, Porplemontage recently made some changes to the image use policy, most importantly [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Image_use_policy&diff=prev&oldid=2855732 with this change]. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 15:31, January 27, 2020 (EST)
::I'm aware. I have cut down a majority of my optimizations, however, in images that display excessive metadata (like the 49 bars iamge today) or specifically metadata with personal information (i've seen a mix of IPs, GPS Co-ordinates, and Iphone names; stuff we don't need readily seen around). If you'd like, I would be happy to assist demonstrating ''why'' next time.  [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 15:39, January 27, 2020 (EST)

=== Smasher 'Shroom Portrait ===
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Hi, just letting you know that you optimised the wrong size of Smasher's shroom portrait, which results in making this portrait smaller than all the other staff portraits. So, I had to revert it. {{User:Ninja Squid/sig}}
::Interesting. Thank you for telling me. My apologies for the inconvenience. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 15:41, February 2, 2020 (EST)

=== RE:Autograph ===
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Try saying that for the [[Red Key (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)|three]] [[Green Key|different]] [[Blue Key (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)|keys]] in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]''. Plus, the [[Orb (Super Paper Mario)|''Super Paper Mario'' orbs]] clearly have different sprites, names, and descriptions, so it would be hard to make a good argument without mentioning the ''Bowser's Inside Story'' keys as well. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 23:09, February 9, 2020 (EST)
::Putting these on multiple talk pages makes the conversation much more difficult. Here's the thing though, I don't necessarily think that the three keys or orbs should have been split. The former is ''three keys for peach's second floor with the sole distinguishment of color'' and the orbs are  ''three orbs for making a bridge in the Overthere''. In my opinion, you could have a redirect instead of a page with anchors for the colors specifically. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 08:04, February 10, 2020 (EST)

===[[:File:NSMBWCW Logo.png]]===
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Where did you find a png version of this? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 00:45, February 12, 2020 (EST)
::I re-saved it form the website, and it was a PNG. The used version on another part of the webpage, with concept arts and some big chart, is a GIF version. Mine is the one displayed that I believe takes you to the home menu. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 08:12, February 12, 2020 (EST)
:::[http://www.capcom.co.jp/arcade/coinworld/index.html This] website? I can't find a png of this logo anywhere (except this [http://www.capcom.co.jp/arcade/coinworld/img/common/logo_header.png small one] that links to the home page), only gifs on the home page and [http://www.capcom.co.jp/arcade/coinworld/info.html chart page]. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 19:30, February 12, 2020 (EST)
::::Well that's weird. I feel like saved the [http://www.capcom.co.jp/arcade/coinworld/info.html chart page] version directly from it and it saved as a PNG, checking my settings it has not changed from the default file type. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 20:33, February 12, 2020 (EST)

===Flimflam===
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Firstly, thanks for finding/creating that image for the slot machine page. Secondly, you said the flame creatures are called 'Flimflams' in the "game guide". If you meant instruction manual - it simply calls them 'fire' like a general hazard instead of an enemy, and they're under the contraptions section. It also doesn't mention slot machines in any way. If you find a source for either name, please let me know. [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 15:49, February 12, 2020 (EST)
::US Prima guide refers to them as Flimflams. Slot machine in said guide is only referred to as 'slot machine' (lowercase). I am working on obtaining a US manual for the game. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 15:56, February 12, 2020 (EST)
::::Ok, but when you make the page, just put "(also known as '''fire''')" at the top with the ref of the english manual pg25 [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 16:07, February 12, 2020 (EST)
::::::Sure thing. I will try my best to find a more concrete name source first, though. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 16:10, February 12, 2020 (EST)

=== Mario Kart Tour ===
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Since I can currently only use discussion pages, I have a small request for you, and that is a small mistake on the Mario Kart Tour page with the high-end (spotlight) characters. Wario (Hiker) is listed on these characters, but is a regular high-end.

Here is the proof, at minute 1:27: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwFk8eyZiPo&t=333s  --[[User:TheKerberos01|TheKerberos01]] ([[User talk:TheKerberos01|talk]]) 16:10, February 14, 2020 (EST)

:Wanted to let you know that Qyzxf has undone your edit on the Mario Kart Tour page.--[[User:TheKerberos01|TheKerberos01]] ([[User talk:TheKerberos01|talk]]) 17:09, February 18, 2020 (EST)

::So I realized. I'm not sure how to approach this, since I don't own or play the game. Perhaps discuss it with the user themself on their talk page. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 17:25, February 18, 2020 (EST)

:::The second week has now started and apparently Wario (Hiker) is one of the spotlight characters. Because if you want to take a tube with Wario (Hiker) and go into details, then Rosalina (Aurora) is listed as standard. Both seem to be standard only for the corresponding tubes, but that wasn't the case before, at least since I started playing the game. I only started in December.--[[User:TheKerberos01|TheKerberos01]] ([[User talk:TheKerberos01|talk]]) 02:35, February 19, 2020 (EST)

===Gamma===
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When colors differ between optimized and non-optimized images, it is, from my understanding, <s>usually</s> (often; it depends on how the image was exported, correct me if I'm wrong) the optimized result that contains the intended colors. The original images, when exported without unchecking certain options, sometimes contain gamma-correction metadata to determine the image's brightness; however, browsers often don't display this data properly as it is intended for editing. See {{User|Wildgoosespeeder}}'s comment on my talk page, {{User|RAP}}'s [[User:RAP/PNG|FAQ]] for previous discussions on the topic, and [https://hsivonen.fi/png-gamma/ this article] for more details. Compare the color of Luigi's clothing with the other images of Luigi from NSLU. While in some cases the gamma correction is needed, this particular image ([[:File:NSMBU Luigi Jumping Artwork.png]]) seems it could be accurate without it. Edit: After looking at more images, I understand that it is much more complicated than I originally thought (gamma makes some images accurate and others inaccurate), see my comment on [[MarioWiki:Proposals]] for more details. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 23:26, February 15, 2020 (EST)
::I entirely agree that images typically look better without the gamma correction involved however both Steve and several other administerative staff have affirmed that we are not to optimize it just because it's more accurate to the actual display of the source. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 08:12, February 16, 2020 (EST)
:::Gotcha, that's understandable. I have found a way to optimize images without removing this particular iCCP metadata, therefore preserving colors. I tested it on [[:File:NSMBDS Goomba Artwork.png]]. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 12:47, February 16, 2020 (EST)
::::::Interesting. I still think the template is important to use then, as someone might try to optimize further. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 14:23, February 16, 2020 (EST)
:::::::That makes sense. Is there a way we could modify the template/proposed policy to consider this? Something like:
<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#BF5FFF;margin:0.675em 2% 1.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
'''This image contains  ''[[User:Trig Jegman#What's Gamma Brightening?|gamma brightening]]'', and should not be optimized without preserving iCCP metadata.'''
</div>
--{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 14:30, February 16, 2020 (EST)
::I'm worried about doing that because gamma is already confusing enough to the average person. I think that instead, the original template should remain and the iCCP metadata could be described on a 'MarioWiki:Gamma Brightening' page that the template could link to itself. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 14:45, February 16, 2020 (EST)

===Image links===
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[[User_talk:Trig_Jegman/Archive_2#WhatLinksHere]]. You should be checking this for every file. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:20, February 17, 2020 (EST)

=== "Render" ===
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Technically it ''is'' a render, it's just an ''official'' render, so we count it as artwork. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:52, February 18, 2020 (EST)

===Double Last Warnings===
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While it is true a while ago I mistakenly gave a user with a last warning another one, I shouldn't have done that retrospectively. Per the template: "The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki.". Thus, given that Count Luigi already was told not to do what you gave him another LW for before, including being told about that problem after his last warning, he should have been reported to be blocked. It is true that the warning policy page states "If you go to warn someone and find they have already been given a last warning for any issue, contact an admin, as that user most likely needs to be blocked for their latest misdemeanor. For certain circumstances, however, such as if the last warning was issued a long time ago, additional reminders/warnings per standard procedure may be considered instead of an immediate block.", however his original last warning was still somewhat recent and literally his entire history revolves around image-related problems, and thus giving another one was not needed. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 21:44, February 21, 2020 (EST)
:I'd hardly call almost three whole years "still somewhat recent" myself. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:55, February 21, 2020 (EST)
::Both [[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] and myself discussed it and said it was on the fence on the period of time for renewal. Since their issues were the exact same thing, I think that the block (especially at it's length) is acceptable. I was more worried about not overreaching on how to approach the situation. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 21:58, February 21, 2020 (EST)

===Gamma correction template===
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Is it okay if this design is okay for the template that you asked to be created as per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 55#New Template:Gamma Image|this proposal]]:
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<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#debffb;margin:0.175em 2% 0.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
This image has {{wp|gamma correction}} metadata, and thus '''should not be optimized'''.
</div><noinclude>[[Category:Notice templates]]</noinclude><includeonly>[[Category:Images with gamma correction metadata]]</includeonly>
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Just wondering. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 16:34, February 24, 2020 (EST)
<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#debffb;margin:0.175em 2% 0.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
This image has {{wp|gamma correction}} metadata, and thus '''should not be optimized'''.
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::It's been changed somewhat because gamma correction is a smaller chunk of what it is. It's likely going to be more akin to:
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<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#cb7eff;margin:0.175em 2% 0.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
This image contains ''[[User:Trig Jegman#What's Gamma Brightening?|color changing metadata]]'' and should not be optimized.
</div><noinclude>[[Category:Notice templates]]</noinclude><includeonly>[[Category:Images with color correction metadata]]</includeonly>
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<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#cb7eff;margin:0.175em 2% 0.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
This image has ''[[User:Trig Jegman#What's Gamma Brightening?|color changing metadata]]'' and should not be optimized.
</div>
::And have the template name <nowiki>{{Color-Correction}}</nowiki>, though I am still discussing it with [[User:Supermariofan67|Supermariofan67]] and [[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]]. I know you're excited to get proposals made but we still need to work out the creation of an actual page for what color correction--and possibly optimization--is. If you've any experience and would like to help you are more than welcome to, as a majority of it is on [[User talk:Supermariofan67/Sandbox2|SMF67's sandbox]]. 
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::Additionally (although somewhat petty and less important), don't add the line when creating a section. I add the line myself to indicate that I have read a message. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 17:29, February 24, 2020 (EST)
:::I think I've now addressed your and Mister Wu's suggestions and added everything needed on that page. Could you check if I should change anything or add anything else? Otherwise, it's probably ready to go. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 17:55, February 24, 2020 (EST)
::::I left talk page messages for {{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} (he isn't very active anymore though) and {{User|Porplemontage}} and I'm waiting to hear back. I also talked to {{User|Mister Wu}} and applied his suggestions. If you know of any other users who might be knowledgeable in this topic, feel free to help by reaching out to them as well. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 16:56, February 25, 2020 (EST)
:::::Thanks a lot! - Trig - 17:07, February 25, 2020 (EST)
::::::Should we move forward on this now? {{User|Porplemontage}} said that everything looks okay, and {{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} might not respond for a while since he's not very active anymore. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 17:28, February 27, 2020 (EST)

===Proposal clarification===
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You made several mistakes when you archived recently-completed proposals. First, you passed a proposal with only three votes. Per the proposal page, "Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion." Second, you marked a proposal which won as one which had no quorum. However, the proposal had more than three votes, and the rules that say that a proposal must be extended if no option wins by at least three votes, or that the winning option must win by the majority else it gets extended, only apply to proposals with both two options and more than ten votes, or proposals with more than two options, respectively. The proposal  doesn't meet the criteria for these rules, and thus it won. Third, you marked a proposal with no quorum when it should have continued. The proposal applied to the rule of needing a majority due to having more than two options, and it had more than three votes, thus it should have continued. Finally, when archiving proposals, you should use the {{tem|Proposal outcome}} template on the proposal's talk page, or on the page they're archived on like [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 55|here]]. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 09:48, February 27, 2020 (EST)
::My apologies on that. I'll take responsibility on the Shy Guy, but I was not sure how to classify the won as no quorum because of the duplicate votes in place. Because I could not really determine what won per se (even with looking at the rules), I assumed it was no quorum. As for the third, I don't know what you man for the placement of that template. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 09:57, February 27, 2020 (EST)
:::I made a mistake with the regular Bowser Stature proposal. I was counting the duplicate votes as well when it came to the majority wins rules, so the proposal won instead of continuing or being no quorum, so sorry about that. Though what I said about the Black Shy Guy and Gold Bowser Statue proposals still pertain. Anyways, for the template, you just need to place it under the {{tem|Settled TPP}} template. Like this:
Header

{{tem|Settled TPP}}

<nowiki>{{Proposal outcome|passed/failed/vetoed/canceled/no consensus/no quorum|votes (if necessary)|argument}}</nowiki>

(The rest of the proposal itself)

The [[Template:Proposal outcome]] gives more clear instructions (and is where I took the example for the template). I hope this makes it more clear. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 12:43, February 27, 2020 (EST)

== Image help ==

Well, I'm screwed. I don't know how to see image files on an Intel Asus. It says something about tools in the tab bar, but I don't see it anywhere. So I need your help with uploading an image of Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher 2 on the game's page. Even if I could upload images, so much stuff for those Capcom Mario games is in Japanese, which I can't read. I know the staff told me not to tell others to do stuff for me when I can do it myself, but I can't see image files on my laptop. So I need someone to help me. We also have lack of Donkey Kong Banana Kingdom by itself on the page. The only image we seem to have of the machine is the flyer, so I don't know if there's one somewhere in an image category: page or if we need to add an image of that game, too. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 11:06, March 2, 2020 (EST)

::Where are images not displaying properly? Additionally, could you explain what browser and operating system you are using? I might be able to help you upload images from a source if you could link them, but I don't know where to look for Banana Kingdom. If you think a page should have more images, feel free to add {{tem|more images}} to the top of the page (with the brackets). [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 11:11, March 2, 2020 (EST)

I did. I don't know what operating system I'm using, but the only search engine I use is Google and the only social media I'm on is YouTube. I've found stuff on Twitter, but I don't regularly go there. I don't know where to look for images of those games. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 18:22, March 2, 2020 (EST)

::Do you have the actual image on your computer and just don't know how to upload it? I can help you with that. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 18:33, March 2, 2020 (EST)

No, I don't. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 11:53, March 3, 2020 (EST)

::So what exactly are you asking for? I'm somewhat confused. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 12:22, March 3, 2020 (EST)

I'm asking for Google to help me out. Maybe you could help upload a few images of some arcade games and put them on their respective pages. Just a few. There's an image of Donkey Kong Banana Kingdom that we cover, but it's a flyer image. We can keep that, but we need an image of the machine by itself and luckily, I found it on Google. Unfortunately, the only descent image of Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher 2 I could find on Google is a flyer, but we need that image too. The last image is for Super Mario World (arcade). It is an image of the inside of the machine and it should go in the gallery. It can be found in the Mario boards if you search arcade coverage. It will be the Fabtek post posted by borp. There's a link to it on the Super Mario Wiki page Super Mario World (arcade). [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 13:49, March 4, 2020 (EST)

::I'm just gonna pretend like you [[User talk:Lord Falafel#Edit Flooding|haven't been told what I'm about to say before]] now by the big [[User:Mario jc|JC]] but what you're doing is asking for me to do the work for you, which come across as more lazy than it does in need of actual help. If you actually have an image saved (which I think you do for the Banana Kingdom) or maybe, if in small quantity, sourced in a link I would be more than happy to show you how '''you''' can upload that image, but my job isn't to do the work for you. Furthermore, pretending as though you weren't trying to skirmish away from effort, there are several additional hindering factors, such as (not limited to): I avoid the mario boards like I would avoid toxic waste or mayonaise. I also don't think borp would be too thrilled about me jacking his stuff either based on our frequent disagreements, but you are more than welcome to save the image and I can walk through how to upload the image. Secondarily, unless I can rip it from an actual nintendo site, I really don't enjoy uploading images if I can't track the original source of the image, because point 3--I don't really upload new images. I only mess with things ''we already have''. I would suggest you try talking with Results May Vary or Mario jc about finding new images to upload. Point four, I use Bing. Thought you'd want to know. 

::I appreciate what you're trying to do in having full coverage, but it's not appropriate to try and get other people to cover that coverage for you. Nothing is stopping you from making that coverage besides your own lack of effort. Thank you for understanding. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 19:44, March 4, 2020 (EST)

Did you read my top comment? And I don't have any images saved except for one unrelated image. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 00:29, March 5, 2020 (EST)

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Well, I'm screwed. I don't know how to see image files on an Intel Asus. 
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::I find that hard to believe.
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So I need your help with uploading an image of Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher 2 on the game's page. Even if I could upload images, so much stuff for those Capcom Mario games is in Japanese, which I can't read. 
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::What makes you think that I can read Japanese? I can barely speak ''english'' half the time. Even then, you don't necessarily need to be able to read japanese in order to upload an image, it would just be harder to write a summary for. You furthermore do not explain where this image is hosted until later where you just say 
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Unfortunately, the only descent image of Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher 2 I could find on Google is a flyer, but we need that image too.
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::Google has billions of images on it and almost none of them can actually be effectively sourced. It may be more beneficial to try and look at the game's website or special gaming websites that have official art (like IGN) on them. 
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I know the staff told me not to tell others to do stuff for me when I can do it myself, but I can't see image files on my laptop. 
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::I'm no tech whiz but my senses are telling me that you're either lying or you turned off javascript or something. 
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We also have lack of Donkey Kong Banana Kingdom by itself on the page. The only image we seem to have of the machine is the flyer, so I don't know if there's one somewhere in an image category: page or if we need to add an image of that game, too.
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::The change here was confusing but alright. After looking at [[Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom|the page in question]], there's not much else I can say that isn't already there. Personally, for such a small scale game, I think five pictures (promo 4 logo 1) is probably fine in all honesty. 

::So yeah, I read it. It's just difficult to make sense of it. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 07:29, March 5, 2020 (EST)

:A weasel to the last edit. Good riddance. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 12:14, March 5, 2020 (EST)
::Took long enough. [[User:MikhailMCraft|MikhailMCraft]] ([[User_talk:MikhailMCraft|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MikhailMCraft|contribs]]) 12:43, March 5, 2020 (EST)
::::Y'all were a bit mean to the guy. Granted, I did not like the actions he was taking, but that's no reason to be rude about it. You're more than welcome to hold those opinions ''to yourselves'' or in closed conversations, but not here. Please do not '''ever''' leave those types of messages on my pages again. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 12:54, March 5, 2020 (EST)
:::::Backing Trig up on that. There's no need to be discourteous, regardless of how you feel about someone. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:59, March 5, 2020 (EST)
::::::I deeply apologize for my behavior just then - I did ''not'' think before I typed that one up. [[User:MikhailMCraft|MikhailMCraft]] ([[User_talk:MikhailMCraft|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MikhailMCraft|contribs]]) 13:04, March 5, 2020 (EST)
::::::Yeah, after a bit of thought that was uncalled for. My apologies, Trig, we shouldn't make you a host to drama. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 13:08, March 5, 2020 (EST)

== Broken file links ==

<s>After you're done for the day, I strongly suggest you check [[:Category:Articles with broken file links]] next time to make sure you haven't missed anything. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:56, March 16, 2020 (EDT)</s>

==???==
How did you guys know that he was part of a radical hate community? Which one is it? {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
:The details of this are best kept within the wiki staff. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:20, November 18, 2021 (EST)
::Oh. No wonder. This “community” is a very bad place, isn’t it? {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}