Editing Talk:Peach's frying pan

Eh? The Super Mario RPG item is [[List of weapons in Super Mario RPG|here]]. The other Frying Pans are [[Frying Pan|here]]. Is this even an official name? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 04:48, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

:I don't think so. It doesn't ''sound'' official. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Conjecture alert!}}
::I think this article should be moved to Frying Pan (Peach) because Frying Pan is the name that Super Mario RPG gives it so it is official. [[User:A Link to the Present|A Link to the Present]] 18:51, 18 January 2011 (EST)

== Move ==

This is explicitly called "Frying Pan" in SMRPG. This should either take priority for the "Frying Pan" name or have "weapon" as an identifier. Either way, the other one should be moved to "Frying Pan (Paper Mario)." Alternatively, they could just be merged outright, though I feel that's a bit less likely, since unlike, say, Hammer, this is only consistently used as a weapon in this case. ''Admittedly'', there are also those Hammer Bros. in ''Super Mario Odysssey'' that use infinite pans as weapons, so maybe a full merge with a mention of that as well is a more valid option. Thoughts? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:26, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
:Yeah, that makes more sense. {{User:PinkYoshiFan/sig}} 17:01, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
::This should definitely be renamed to its official title, and I personally feel like it would make sense to keep this and the Frying Pan from ''Paper Mario'' separate, since they are used for very different purposes. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 17:29, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
:::Agreed. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:27, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
::::Definitely agreed, I'm surprised this has been conjectural so long. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:25, May 11, 2020 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, I also agree.[[User:Duckfan77|Duckfan77]] ([[User talk:Duckfan77|talk]]) 12:28, May 11, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Should we make a TPP, or would that not be needed since everyone agrees? {{User:PinkYoshiFan/sig}} 15:01, May 12, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::This won't need a proposal. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:21, May 12, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::I feel like merging every frying pan into one article would get messy, but it could also work. The object doesn't do much in the games, the only time where it really needs to go into detail is for ''Paper Mario'' (and maybe ''SMRPG'' for stats and such). Whatever the case is, I'm for it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:28, May 12, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::This conversation has not been brought up in a long time, so I am revisiting it. Is the general consensus still that this should be moved to 'Frying Pan (weapon)'? I would support this move because it would be changing a conjectural name to an official one. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:38, April 10, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::I agree with moving the article (the ''Paper Mario'' one can maybe be "Frying Pan (item)"), though in addition to the Hammer Bros. pans, there's also Mr. Game & Watch's frying pan. Should that be mentioned too? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:45, March 30, 2022 (EDT)

==Moving this article==
{{TPP}}
See the above discussion. Although it was stated this change wouldn't need a proposal, I don't think a consensus was actually reached, so I am making one anyway.
The official name for this item is 'Frying Pan' in ''Super Mario RPG'' (the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series seems to generically refer to it as just a frying pan in tips). Therefore, this page is using an unnecessary conjectural name for a subject that has an official one. However, there is [[Frying Pan|another page]] using the name of 'Frying Pan', so we should decide which page should get an identifier.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 28, 2021, 23:59 GMT

====Move this page to 'Frying Pan (weapon)'====
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal and above discussion.

====Move this page to 'Frying Pan' and move the page currently called Frying Pan to 'Frying Pan (''Paper Mario'')'====
#{{User|Hewer}} Second choice.

====Do nothing====

====Comments====
Do they really need to be split at all? A frying pan is a frying pan, I don't see why the ones used by Peach need a separate article. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:00, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
:I think it's because the other Frying Pan is a very specific item with specific information about it, and covering it on the same page as the one Peach hits others with would probably get messy. It's kind of like how we split articles like [[Luigi's Mansion (disambiguation)|Luigi's Mansion]] and [[Bowser's Castle (disambiguation)|Bowser's Castle]] because some are courts from sports games or ''Mario Kart'' tracks and others are the last area in mainline ''Mario'' games, even though they're the same basic concept. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:05, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
Why isn't there an option to give ''both'' identifiers? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:48, May 20, 2021 (EDT)
:I didn't think there was any point to giving both identifiers, but I can add that option if you like. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:21, May 20, 2021 (EDT)
::Don't know if you can still do that, given rule 14. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 17:51, May 20, 2021 (EDT)

==Do something, take 2==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|2-14-0|merge}}
All right, let's try this again. It's kind of silly that this article has to be a conjectural title when we have a perfectly valid name (we even have names in other languages) - it's just usually associated with a particular character (Peach). But why is the main "Frying Pan" article Tayce T.'s frying pan? This is a minor event item for a one-off character, and is certainly a less notable subject. I don't think the "weapon" identifier works since that's not always the case. So, I have two options here. #1: simply make this the main "Frying Pan" article and add a "''Paper Mario''" identifier to the other article, which would resolve the conjecture tag. Or #2: merge the frying pans and make this article about both the frying pan associated with Peach and frying pans in general.

'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 14, 2024, 23:59 GMT
===Option 1: rename Peach's frying pan and add an identifier to the ''Paper Mario'' item===
#{{User|Hewer}} Frinally, per proposal.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Frynally.

===Option 2: merge frying pans===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Let's see how this pans out.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal. (although, if the page is no longer about ''Peach''{{'}}s frying pan specifically, then that Chef section...)
#{{User|Mario}} There is nothing particularly special about the item or the weapon. It's just a frying pan with multiple functions, like banana. Just have an article about frying pans.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Frying Pan (per all)
#{{User|Tails777}} Throw them all into one article, cook it up and serve it to the viewers! Per proposal.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all--It's about as silly as having the [[Hammer]] article be about the Hammers wielded by Hammer Bros. and then literally every time a character uses a Hammer, we make articles like {{Fake link|Mario's hammer}} (conjectural name).
#{{User|BMfan08}} This is something I do not say lightly – but I believe the proposer here is cooking. Per all.
#{{User|Okapii}} Per all but especially Camwoodstock, they were cooking with that hammer comparison
#{{User|Mushroom Head}} Per all. FRY THE FRYING PAN
#{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per all. If Toad's frying pan in The Super Mario Bros. Movie doesn't get a mention, then I will be VERY upset.
#{{User|JanMisali}} Per all.
#{{User|Arend}} Per all; embarrassingly, the only reason it took me so long is to think of a more unique pun, but i guess I didn't have the ''skill'' to do ''et''.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per all.

===Option 3: do nothing (again)===

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