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:::::::::::::::Then it's a difference between artwork and in-game, which is where the arm/mouth discrepancy [[:File:Bullet_Bill_-_Super_Mario_Bros._Print_World.png|came]] [[:File:Bullet_Bill_scan_from_Mario_Mania.png|from]] [[:File:SMRPG_BulletBill.jpg|to]] [[:File:SMBDX_Bill_Pic.PNG|begin]] [[:File:Bill_Blaster_With_Bullet_Bill.png|with]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:21, 16 April 2018 (EDT) | :::::::::::::::Then it's a difference between artwork and in-game, which is where the arm/mouth discrepancy [[:File:Bullet_Bill_-_Super_Mario_Bros._Print_World.png|came]] [[:File:Bullet_Bill_scan_from_Mario_Mania.png|from]] [[:File:SMRPG_BulletBill.jpg|to]] [[:File:SMBDX_Bill_Pic.PNG|begin]] [[:File:Bill_Blaster_With_Bullet_Bill.png|with]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:21, 16 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::::::Still, no reason to do it now, since the graphics are no longer 16x16 tricolor sprites that are hard to discern details from. Anyways, that derails from the initial point, in that the design for Banzai Bill affected the design for Bullet Bill, since they decided it was their "high definition" Bullet Bill at the time (which is also why it was immediately rejected from ''Mario Tennis'' 64.) Anyways, my original point was that a derivative can affect the parent species. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:28, 16 April 2018 (EDT) | ::::::::::::::::Still, no reason to do it now, since the graphics are no longer 16x16 tricolor sprites that are hard to discern details from. Anyways, that derails from the initial point, in that the design for Banzai Bill affected the design for Bullet Bill, since they decided it was their "high definition" Bullet Bill at the time (which is also why it was immediately rejected from ''Mario Tennis'' 64.) Anyways, my original point was that a derivative can affect the parent species. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:28, 16 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::::::::::Another example would be the Buzzy Beetle in [[:File:BuzzyBeetlePM.png|the]] [[:File:Buzzy_Beetle2.PNG|first]] [[:File:17._Buzzy_Beetle_Card.PNG|three]] ''Paper Mario'' games is based more on [[:File:SMB3_BusterBeetle.jpg|its]] [[:File:SMB3_Parabeetle.jpg|derived]] [[:File:Spike_Artwork_-_Mario_Clash.png|species]] rather than its [[:File: | :::::::::::::::::Another example would be the Buzzy Beetle in [[:File:BuzzyBeetlePM.png|the]] [[:File:Buzzy_Beetle2.PNG|first]] [[:File:17._Buzzy_Beetle_Card.PNG|three]] ''Paper Mario'' games is based more on [[:File:SMB3_BusterBeetle.jpg|its]] [[:File:SMB3_Parabeetle.jpg|derived]] [[:File:Spike_Artwork_-_Mario_Clash.png|species]] rather than its [[:File:SMBLL Buzzy Beetle Artwork.jpg|original]] or [[:File:Buzzy_Beetle.png|modern]] designs. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:00, 16 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
Seeing how in the official Japanese character books of the '90s we have found Rocky Wrenches were {{media link|SMCE pages 168 169.png|consistently}} {{media link|SMBD page 40.png|stated}} {{media link|PEGMCE page 183.png|to be members of the Turtle Tribe}} and turtles who look like moles, while Monty Moles {{media link|SMCE page 44.png|definitely}} {{media link|SMBD page 60.png|were}} {{media link|PEGMCE page 112.png|not}} and seeing how Rocky Wrenches started looking like Monty Moles since ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'', have you considered the hypothesis that Rocky Wrenches were intended to be moles from the start but were then designed as turtles that look like moles, possibly because turtles seemed more fitting for Bowser's military vehicles? I think that we are very well into the speculation territory, so other hypotheses could be as likely. Anyway, regardless of the relationships in terms of design that might very well be there, putting Monty Moles as members of the Turtle Tribe simply doesn't fit what the official material has been saying since the very beginning and I would rather avoid forcing this - I don't think the designers were really thinking at Monty Moles being turtles even if they indeed based Monty Moles on Rocky Wrenches.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:37, 17 April 2018 (EDT) | Seeing how in the official Japanese character books of the '90s we have found Rocky Wrenches were {{media link|SMCE pages 168 169.png|consistently}} {{media link|SMBD page 40.png|stated}} {{media link|PEGMCE page 183.png|to be members of the Turtle Tribe}} and turtles who look like moles, while Monty Moles {{media link|SMCE page 44.png|definitely}} {{media link|SMBD page 60.png|were}} {{media link|PEGMCE page 112.png|not}} and seeing how Rocky Wrenches started looking like Monty Moles since ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'', have you considered the hypothesis that Rocky Wrenches were intended to be moles from the start but were then designed as turtles that look like moles, possibly because turtles seemed more fitting for Bowser's military vehicles? I think that we are very well into the speculation territory, so other hypotheses could be as likely. Anyway, regardless of the relationships in terms of design that might very well be there, putting Monty Moles as members of the Turtle Tribe simply doesn't fit what the official material has been saying since the very beginning and I would rather avoid forcing this - I don't think the designers were really thinking at Monty Moles being turtles even if they indeed based Monty Moles on Rocky Wrenches.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:37, 17 April 2018 (EDT) | ||