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==Add his Appearance== | |||
Can someone add his appearance? | |||
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==Incorrect naming== | ==Incorrect naming== | ||
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Yes, there's a tab at the top of the page that says "Move". Click on that, then type in the correct name. {{User:Monty Mole/sig}} | Yes, there's a tab at the top of the page that says "Move". Click on that, then type in the correct name. {{User:Monty Mole/sig}} | ||
One time I kinda messed his name up on paper Mario the first time and everything kills me. I almost messed it up on my paper Mario game a few game overs. ( barely enough space to spell Dimentio ) Dimentiofan25 | |||
== Super Dimentio == | == Super Dimentio == | ||
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-[[User:SolarBlaze|SolarBlaze]] | -[[User:SolarBlaze|SolarBlaze]] | ||
I always pronunounced it "Dimen-toe" [[User:Megabowser|Megabowser]] 11:21, 5 March 2010 (EST) | |||
It's Dim-en-tee-o, got it? Yeesh, they let anyone on wikis now, huh?{{User:M&L'[[User:M&L|M&L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:21, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}} | |||
It's Dimen-chee-oh it's a pun for dimension okay? Dimentiofan25 | |||
== More Pics! == | == More Pics! == | ||
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For example, the picture of King Sammer that I added is from YouTube.--[[User:Dreyfus2006|Dreyfus2006]] 18:26, 7 June 2007 (EDT) | For example, the picture of King Sammer that I added is from YouTube.--[[User:Dreyfus2006|Dreyfus2006]] 18:26, 7 June 2007 (EDT) | ||
I kinda do but I have to wait okay? Dimentiofan25 | |||
== Dark...Something? == | == Dark...Something? == | ||
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:Do not forget [[Mowz]] and the [[Star Rod]]. <big> '''[[Thief Wario|Silent but deadly!]]''' '''Super'''''[[User:Super Luigi 821|Luigi]]'''''821''''' '''''[[Fracktail|You lost everything. Way to go genious.]]''' </big> | :Do not forget [[Mowz]] and the [[Star Rod]]. <big> '''[[Thief Wario|Silent but deadly!]]''' '''Super'''''[[User:Super Luigi 821|Luigi]]'''''821''''' '''''[[Fracktail|You lost everything. Way to go genious.]]''' </big> | ||
In the article it says that Dimentio's fate has yet to be revealed. How has his fate not been revealed? The dude exploded and sunk into the ground and then his power left behind got wiped out along with the Chaos Heart by Bleck and | In the article it says that Dimentio's fate has yet to be revealed. How has his fate not been revealed? The dude exploded and sunk into the ground and then his power left behind got wiped out along with the Chaos Heart by Bleck and Tipi's vows. What more proof do you need? Also, the sentences about him taking away Queen Jaydes power seems random and doesn't make sense. So does the whole Flipside and Flopside comparison. I think Dimentio was a one time villain; just like Cackletta, Grodus, the Shadow Queen, the Shroobs. They all appear in one game and get destroyed. Out of any of the villains that could return; it would be Grodus because his head is still alive. But he hasn't returned and probably will never because their all meant to be one-time villains. Just because Dimentio is the dark one doesn't mean he can't be destroyed. In fact the light prognosticus states that the dark one must be destroyed to save existance. So it obvious that Dimentio has been destroyed. That has been stated in the game and it gave absolutly no indication that Dimentio could be alive. Unless Miyamoto or any of the other designers say that he could still be alive; we have to conclude he's not. I just think the whole "Dark One" section is just speculation. We should change it a bit.-Darknessofheart | ||
You didn't just change it a bit, you deleted it completely and replaced it with something three times as long that just reiterates everything the aricle already says. We have "encounters with Mario and Co." and then "Dimentio's plans", the second one just being the first one from a different point of view. I'll change it back, but remove the part about possible return, because people have been getting so picky about that. Next time, try to incorporate other's work into your own. | You didn't just change it a bit, you deleted it completely and replaced it with something three times as long that just reiterates everything the aricle already says. We have "encounters with Mario and Co." and then "Dimentio's plans", the second one just being the first one from a different point of view. I'll change it back, but remove the part about possible return, because people have been getting so picky about that. Next time, try to incorporate other's work into your own. | ||
-Irishladdie727 | -Irishladdie727 | ||
Not all of those guys are one time villians- there are Shroobs you can fight in Bowser Castle and one was watching the Fawful show. {{User:M&L'[[User:M&L|M&L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:25, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}} | |||
== Trivia == | == Trivia == | ||
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#Looks to me like a simple description of him, which we could put into some kind of a Physical Appearance section rather than randomly throwing it into Trivia. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}} | #Looks to me like a simple description of him, which we could put into some kind of a Physical Appearance section rather than randomly throwing it into Trivia. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}} | ||
===Dimentio's face is a Comedy Mask. The Comedy Mask is a classical theatrical mask used in plays. The Comedy Mask and its counterpart, the Tragedy Mask, are used as symbols of theater, and are often worn by jesters and magicians at the circus and other celebrations.=== | ===Dimentio's face is a Comedy Mask. The Comedy Mask is a classical theatrical mask used in plays. The Comedy Mask and its counterpart, the Tragedy Mask, are used as symbols of theater, and are often worn by jesters and magicians at the circus and other celebrations.=== | ||
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#This one feels more akin to trivia other character pages have. I say keep it. {{Unsigned|Irishladdie727}} | #This one feels more akin to trivia other character pages have. I say keep it. {{Unsigned|Irishladdie727}} | ||
#''Perhaps'' we could merge this with something in-article, but it's a good Trivia entry now. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}} | #''Perhaps'' we could merge this with something in-article, but it's a good Trivia entry now. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}} | ||
#Actually, he offers it in Chapter 8-3, but I say we keep it anyway.{{User:M&L'[[User:M&L|M&L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:29, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}} | |||
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On the act before Luigi Battles Dimentio the last time what if you picked help Dimentio fight side by side which is yes? Game Over?([[User:Super F22 Pilot|Super F22 Pilot]] 05:07, 20 December 2007 (EST)) | On the act before Luigi Battles Dimentio the last time what if you picked help Dimentio fight side by side which is yes? Game Over?([[User:Super F22 Pilot|Super F22 Pilot]] 05:07, 20 December 2007 (EST)) | ||
Actually, Super F22 Pilot, saying yes actually ''does'' result in Game Over! Good job, Sherlock. {{User:M&L'[[User:M&L|M&L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:32, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}} | |||
== Trivia Advice == | == Trivia Advice == | ||
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Game Over.{{User:Knife/sig}} 12:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT) | Game Over.{{User:Knife/sig}} 12:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT) | ||
==Could Dimentio Be the Pixl Queen?== | ==Could Dimentio Be the Pixl Queen?== | ||
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But yeah, this seems like speculation, so it's probably best not put in the article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} | But yeah, this seems like speculation, so it's probably best not put in the article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} | ||
Wait, it couldn't be Dimentio because it says the Queen was ''forced'' to read the Prognosticus and Dimentio would be forced to read it by just making it. And he wouldn't need to be forced-he's that crazy.{{User:M&L'[[User:M&L|M&L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:37, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}} | |||
Nope I am pretty sure the Shadow Queen from paper Mario 2 is because she is evil sealed away and has hand minions and stuff like that hands of souls of dead pixls Shadow Queen is the dead pixl queens soul seeled away is my theory. Dimentiofan25 | |||
== Author? == | == Author? == | ||
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He could simply be trying to avoid suspicion. The way he said it " oh that's the first thing I learned from that book" made it seem like he was really going out of his way to say that he never wrote the book.-darknessofheart. | He could simply be trying to avoid suspicion. The way he said it " oh that's the first thing I learned from that book" made it seem like he was really going out of his way to say that he never wrote the book.-darknessofheart. | ||
he probably doesn't want anyone to know,(because then bleck and his army wouldn't trust him if they did) like bleck doesn't want anyone to know he was blumiere. [[User:Luigi time!|Luigi Time!]] | |||
Pretty possible the pixl manual would be the dark book THEN Dimentio could add on to it. Seems like a good theory to me. Dimentiofan25 | |||
== Yes and No == | == Yes and No == | ||
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:Actually, the only characters Dimentio really kills are Fracktail (though you're right that it's indirect, as Mario delivers the fatal blow) and Nastasia (though she comes back to life). Everyone else he either sends to the Underwhere (where Jaydes herself says they're not actually dead) or Dimention D (as is the case with Count Bleck and Tippi). Or at least, that's what I think; I haven't played ''SPM'' in a while either. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:26, 22 March 2009 (EDT) | :Actually, the only characters Dimentio really kills are Fracktail (though you're right that it's indirect, as Mario delivers the fatal blow) and Nastasia (though she comes back to life). Everyone else he either sends to the Underwhere (where Jaydes herself says they're not actually dead) or Dimention D (as is the case with Count Bleck and Tippi). Or at least, that's what I think; I haven't played ''SPM'' in a while either. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:26, 22 March 2009 (EDT) | ||
Intentionally: Mario,Bowser,Peach,Mr. L,Super Dimentio and himself. Indirectly: nastasia and fracktail.[[User:Luigi time!|Luigi Time!]] | |||
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Well, we have included both theories in the trivia section. Since they are just that, theories, they can't be included as facts within the context of the article. Very interesting by the way in connecting the theories. Makes a lot of sense.-darknessofheart. | Well, we have included both theories in the trivia section. Since they are just that, theories, they can't be included as facts within the context of the article. Very interesting by the way in connecting the theories. Makes a lot of sense.-darknessofheart. | ||
== Similar Evil Duo == | |||
Dimentio is very similar to Mephiles from the sonic the hedgehog series. So i added the similarities in the article. is it okay? (read it yourselves in the trivia section for more.) {{unsigned|MarioMaster720}} | |||
:We're not here to make similarities between two characters from different series. {{User:Reversinator/sig}} | |||
==Tattle== | |||
Why does the Dimentio Card at the top of the page have Tattle information? You can't use Tattle on him, because during Battle 1, Tippi is kidnapped by Francis and during Battle 2, you can only play as Luigi. Mario and the Pixls had already gone furhter then. | |||
Oh, I understand, it's the Tattle of Dimentio's Duplicates in Castle Bleck. | |||
{{unsigned|Zaimoon}} | |||
==Attack power== | |||
All of Dimentio's attacks during his first battle at the [[Dotwood Tree]] do 2 damage, so I conclude that his Attack power during that battle is 2 and I just changed it. We can't be sure, because [[Tippi]] can't use her [[Tattle]]. | |||
{{unsigned|Zaimoon}} | |||
Then let him attack you and find out! Yeesh, once again, they let ANYBODY on these wikis...{{User:M&L'[[User:M&L|M&L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:40, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}} | |||
:That kind of disrespect is not necessary. Please take more care in the future. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}} | |||
== Carson's Stories == | |||
In one of Carson's stories, he implies that Dimentio wrote the Dark Prognosticus. This would mean that Dimentio existed before the magician who created the Pixls, because the magician who created the Pixls used the Dark Prognosticus. But the article says that Carson also implies that Dimentio is a descendant of the magician. Not only is this a contradiction, but I also wonder which one of Carson's stories implies that Dimentio is a descendant of the magician.{{unsigned|Marionumber1}} | |||
== FAWFUL AND DIMENTIO == | |||
Fawful and Dimentio seem to be alike because both are crazy or insane and both first start as a minion of the main antagonist and later in the same game or not they are the main antagonist and while Dimentio speaks in simile Fawful speaks in metaphor and they both soon get defeated at the end but still lives as a head only but still have a chance to defeat the heroes and then they both self destruct and they both always smile | |||
[[User:Fawfulsmile123|Fawfulsmile123]] ([[User talk:Fawfulsmile123|talk]]) 15:31, 26 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Trivia question == | |||
CAN I PUT IN Trivia THAT Dimentio is eviler version of kefka palazzo or he and Kefka have similar Goal's and Personality? {{User|GrandMasterGamer}} | |||
:There isn't really anything to indicate Dimentio is based on Kefka, so any similarities would be coincidental. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}} 15:47, 11 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Dimentio is really...== | |||
Does anyone else think that Dimentio could be the Fire and Thunder Gods from mlss. | |||
To be quite honest with you, they don't quite look similar enough, but there is a vague similarity between Dimentio and Fire God, yeah. I highly doubt they're related, though- they come from two entirely different continuities! --http://i.imgur.com/VG4JnjG.png [[User:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Profile)]] [[User_talk:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Talk to me!)]] 04:47, 16 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Dentji Meno == | |||
On the Villains Wiki, it says that Dimentio's real name is Dentji Meno. It is nowhere on here, so could this statement be false? Or is it something never added? {{User:Joseph/sig}} | |||
It's probably fanon. It isn't true, as far as I know. Someone probably just came up with a headcanon and things just escalated from there. Correct me if I'm wrong, though! --http://i.imgur.com/VG4JnjG.png [[User:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Profile)]] [[User_talk:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Talk to me!)]] 04:47, 16 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
== He wrote the Dark Prognosticus? == | |||
I don't think this little tidbit is true. As interesting as it would be, I've read through Garson and Carson's stories and I'm not really finding an implication of him writing that terrible book.[[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 21:40, 23 September 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Carson says that Dimentio was mentioned in the Prognosticus, but never says he wrote it.[[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 21:43, 23 September 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Clones? == | |||
Do his clones have a Tattle? Or is that the Tattle featured in his enemy infobox?<br> | |||
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:15, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:It is his clones. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 22:16, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::Speaking of clones, you can add Dimentio clones to the bestiary. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 22:19, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::Are they officially named? Should they have an article if they are worthy of being included in the bestiary? | |||
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:21, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::I don't know where the official name is. I say create a separate article, but not yet. More users should say something before it is created. | |||
As for the stats: HP is 0. Attack is 2,4. Defense is 0,infinity. They are passible all the time except behind the mirror in the second mirror area where they can be easily defeated. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 22:31, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:Source for stats? | |||
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:44, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::@Ultimate Mr. L: easily defeated. Attack is the same as Dimentio. They are passible. That is what I have observed when playing the game. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:46, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::What would make the clones worthy of their own article compared to, say, clones from the [[Crystal King]] or [[Cackletta]], who also have clones with slightly different stats? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:17, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::@Bazooka Mario: Good point. If Dimentio clones get an article, so should all clones. But, if there are many clones, then an article grouping them together (It would state which person the clone is from) would suffice and there won't be a lot of articles about clones that we (this wiki) know nothing about. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:46, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::I am skeptical of the 0 HP stat. When you defeat them, they don't make the usual sound that defeated enemies do and no number appears to indicate how much damage was afflicted. If they get an article, we should list their HP as ?? or not at all, considering we don't have an actual source. The attack can be listed easily. Defense would be ??. As for an article just for clones, I am skeptical of that idea. Perhaps we should just list Dimentio Clone here on this article. The same has been done for [[Magikoopa]]. | |||
::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 11:26, 16 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::Good idea. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 11:55, 16 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::::As Dimentio Clone is not an official name (they have a Tattle, but Tippi just refers to them like they're the real Dimentio), maybe we should just call it Dimentio (Clone) or Dimentio (Copy). I think the same was done for Magikoopa. It's called Magikoopa (copy) and I doubt it's called that in-game, but I could be wrong. Even if the case of the Magikoopa is different, parentheses are just a bit more subtle and to me they show that we're just calling them that to differentiate. | |||
::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 12:08, 16 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::::Have it in this article and call it Dimentio (copy) to keep it consistent with Magikoopa page and Crystal King page. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 12:11, 16 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::::::I'll go ahead and add it then. Just to clarify, the stats are: | |||
::::::::Location(s): [[The Dotwood Tree]], [[Castle Bleck Interior]]; HP: ?? (1 hit); Attack: 2 (The Dotwood Tree), 4 (Castle Bleck Interior); Defense: ?? (All damage counts as one hit); Score: 0; Items: ; Card Type: ; Card Location ; Card Description: ; Tattle: (Move from Dimentio's, since that's actually his clones' Tattle) | |||
::::::::Sound good? I left anything involving Catch Cards blank. | |||
::::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 12:18, 16 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::::::Good call because the copy doesn't have a separate card neither should the copy be mentioned in List of Catch Cards page. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 12:21, 16 November 2016 (EST) | |||
== Tattle Info == | |||
While normally, you can't view the tattle on Dimentio himself (Tippi is unavailable both times you encounter Dimentio), the tattle data still seems to exist in the game, as seen [https://tcrf.net/Super_Paper_Mario#Dimentio on this page of TCRF]. I've gone ahead and added the text, but made a note that Tippi is unavailable during normal gameplay. [[User:Justink ase|Justink ase]] ([[User talk:Justink ase|talk]]) 05:45, 15 January 2017 (EST) | |||
== Copy == | |||
The bestiary infoboxes call the copies just '''Dimentio''' instead of '''Dimentio (copy)'''. Is there a way to fix this?<br> | |||
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 13:03, 22 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Bowser's Recognition == | |||
At one point in the game, I believe when you make it to the top of the Dotwood Tree in Chapter 3-3, (though it may be right before the O'Chunks fight in Chapter 5-2) if you have Bowser out, he'll recognize Dimentio. This might be proof that it ''was'' Dimentio that sent Bowser and some of the Koopa Troop to the Bitlands. However, I don't want to add this to the article because I don't have the exact quote as a citation (like how Tippi's recognition of him right before fighting Fracktail has the quote of her directly implying she recognizes him). [[User:Mymax162|Mymaz162]] | |||
== Unused Mechanic/Enemy == | |||
In the files there's a thing that acts like an enemy but looks like a dimension d cube. Maybe there was supposed to be a platforming dimension d segment? For other enemies search "Skawo unused enemy showcase super paper mario".-Svtopdog | |||
EDT - It's used in the fight against O'Cabbage, who is actually [[O'Chunks]] brainwashed by a [[Floro Sprout]], as one of his attacks pulls out one of those cubes-Svtopdog | |||
== Dementio's species == | |||
I know he doesn't look like the others, but I think Dementio's a [[Shaman|shaman]] [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] 2:25 PM EDT 3/10/2020 | |||
== On Tippi recognizing Dimentio == | |||
[https://youtu.be/KCXQ_SvTUwA?t=485 The corresponding line in Japanese] has her simply affirming that Dimentio is one of the count's minions (ディメーン… 伯爵の…手下…). It could go either way whether she outright ''recognized'' him or not, given that this is right after he introduced himself. The localizers interpreted the line as certain recognition but that doesn't mean it was the original intent. --[[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 15:54, August 21, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Dimentio's design inspiration? (And the "dementia" thing) == | |||
The very first sentence of the first paragraph says, ''"Dimentio is the true main antagonist in Super Paper Mario. His name is a pun on "dementia" and "dimension""''. | |||
I've never understood this. Where does the "dementia" thing come from? Admittedly I haven't played the game all the way through myself, but even looking it up I haven't found an answer why, and if there's some sort of connection in the original Japanese version then it wasn't translated properly into the localization. The only possible connection I can think of is his use of the Floro sprouts, which I guess can ''sort of'' count. Dementia is the cognitive functions degrading, which can cause memory issues, bizarre thought and language patterns, etc, which you can sort of see how Mr. L and O'Chunks/O'Cabbage show some of that. But... really? Is that really what that's supposed to reference? Intuitively (at least, I think it is,) it feels more natural that his name is a pun on ''"demented"'' and "dimension." I will admit, that probably depends on your perspective on how his name is pronounced ("Di-men-ti-yo" or "Deh-men-ti-yo" fits the demented/dimension pun, but "Di-men-chi-yo" or "Deh-men-chi-yo" or even "Deh-men-chyo" does somewhat connect to the "dementia" thing, I guess?) I feel like I've gone on about this bit for too long but I'm just so genuinely confused as to how his name is supposed to pun on dementia. | |||
As for his design, I have an idea as to what it references: Venetian masks, or specifically just the costumes in general. If you look up "venetian carnival masquerade mask" and check images for whatever search engine, you'll hopefully see exactly what pictures I'm talking about because they bear a VERY STRONG resemblance to Dimentio's outfit, and especially his face + hat shape. Some costume designs just look similar to Dimentio's entire design in general! Not to mention, Venice is in Italy, and Dimentio's word choice? "Ciao" isn't just Italian, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao THAT WORD CAME FROM VENETIAN SPECIFICALLY.] | |||
(I'm aware that Dimentio drops far more French phrases in the Japanese release than he does in the English, which DOES still have him say a few things in French. This puts a bit of a hole in my theory, admittedly. It's possible that his design references a different culture, or that he's referencing multiple instead of just one. I'm hoping to get a Japanese copy of SPM at some point to try and figure out what was first intended.) | |||
I've said all of this so it can explain my suggestions: Change "... pun on "dementia"" to "... pun on "demented"". The trivia section is probably the best spot to mention his (potential) connection to Venetian carnivals, but for right now I can't think of a good way to word it, I've been typing this on-and-off for an hour. I invested way too much time getting mad about the dementia pun. --[[User:Scribblementio|Scribblementio]] ([[User talk:Scribblementio|talk]]) 03:06, August 5, 2023 (EDT) | |||
addendum: Apparently in a Nintendo Power issue it's confirmed his name is indeed a pun on "dementia." I cannot find an archive of any issues released within a few months of SPM's release since that's the best bet to confirm, so I guess maybe its best to leave that bit alone until I or someone else finds the specific issue that says it. --[[User:Scribblementio|Scribblementio]] ([[User talk:Scribblementio|talk]]) 15:02, August 5, 2023 (EDT) | |||