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+==Add his Appearance==
+Can someone add his appearance?
+{{Unsigned|Grinchnight14}}
 ==Incorrect naming==
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 Yes, there's a tab at the top of the page that says "Move". Click on that, then type in the correct name. {{User:Monty Mole/sig}}
+One time I kinda messed his name up on paper Mario the first time and everything kills me. I almost messed it up on my paper Mario game a few game overs.  ( barely enough space to spell Dimentio ) Dimentiofan25
 == Super Dimentio  ==
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 It's Dim-en-tee-o, got it? Yeesh, they let anyone on wikis now, huh?{{User:M&L'[[User:M&amp;L|M&amp;L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:21, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}}
+ It's Dimen-chee-oh  it's a pun for dimension okay? Dimentiofan25
 == More Pics! ==
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 For example, the picture of King Sammer that I added is from YouTube.--[[User:Dreyfus2006|Dreyfus2006]] 18:26, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
+I kinda do but I have to wait okay? Dimentiofan25
 == Dark...Something? ==
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 The Trivia section of this article is exploding. The content should be either implemented in the main article or be removed. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:01, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
 == An end to the madness! ==
 I know that SPM just came out and that Dimentio is the cooliest villain ever.  But the sheer amount of unnecessary edits on this page is astounding.  I'm guilty myself, but so are many others.  The Trivia section is a good example.  While there may be a lot to say about the demented jester, there have been so many random observations that the trivia section got to be longer than most articles.  Discuss major edits please, and make sure that people actually agree with them first. This is a community, and if we want to make an awesome article, we have to work together and give feedback, instead of everyone putting two cents in just to feel like they did something.
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 #I have seen pictures of Dimentio's "true face" some show him with white hair,while others show him with eyes that match his color schem: one purple& one yellow. keep it.{{User:Mr.V}}
-Dimentio looks very much like a jester/magician/clown/. We should defiantly keep it.
+====Remove====
--Dimentio98 XD
 ===Dimentio's character design resembles a stylized version of the [[jester|Jesters]] from ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]''. He also closely resembles [[Harley Quin]], another jester character from the game ''[[Wario's Woods]]'', and Super Dimentio's spinning cape imitates that of Harley.===
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 Game Over.{{User:Knife/sig}} 12:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
-==Future?==
-Dimentios ability to warp and the fact that when he seemed to murder the horoes they did not turn into Shaydes might man he could escape from the Underwhere. Posibly. Should this be put? {{unsigned|Paperwaluigi}}
-Whoa, no offense man but you really need to to check your spelling and grammer. I don't even understand what you're trying to say. Also, why is the headline "Future", the topic has nothing to do with what you're trying to say. Last, it would be utter speculation. I can't understand that paragraph above, so I'm going by what you put in the article. It was speculation and was also in a random place in the article. -Darknessofheart
-== Dimento fans! ==
-Dimento rocks!(in my opinion.)--[[User:Timn|Timn.]] 09:23, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
-:Please direct your opinions on Dimentio to the [http://forum.mariowiki.com/ forums]. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 09:29, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 ==Could Dimentio Be the Pixl Queen?==
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 Wait, it couldn't be Dimentio because it says the Queen was ''forced'' to read the Prognosticus and Dimentio would be forced to read it by just making it. And he wouldn't need to be forced-he's that crazy.{{User:M&L'[[User:M&amp;L|M&amp;L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:37, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}}
+Nope I am pretty sure the Shadow Queen from paper Mario 2 is because she is evil sealed away and has hand minions and stuff like that hands of souls of dead pixls Shadow Queen is the dead pixl queens soul seeled away is my theory. Dimentiofan25
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 he probably doesn't want anyone to know,(because then bleck and his army wouldn't trust him if they did) like bleck doesn't want anyone to know he was blumiere. [[User:Luigi time!|Luigi Time!]]
+Pretty possible the pixl manual would be the dark book THEN Dimentio could add on to it. Seems like a good theory to me. Dimentiofan25
 == Yes and No ==
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 Then let him attack you and find out! Yeesh, once again, they let ANYBODY on these wikis...{{User:M&L'[[User:M&amp;L|M&amp;L Baby_mario.gif]] 18:40, 8 January 2012 (EST)'}}
 :That kind of disrespect is not necessary. Please take more care in the future. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
+== Carson's Stories ==
+In one of Carson's stories, he implies that Dimentio wrote the Dark Prognosticus. This would mean that Dimentio existed before the magician who created the Pixls, because the magician who created the Pixls used the Dark Prognosticus. But the article says that Carson also implies that Dimentio is a descendant of the magician. Not only is this a contradiction, but I also wonder which one of Carson's stories implies that Dimentio is a descendant of the magician.{{unsigned|Marionumber1}}
+== FAWFUL AND DIMENTIO  ==
+Fawful and Dimentio seem to be alike because both are crazy or insane and both first start as a minion of the main antagonist and later in the same game or not they are the main antagonist and while Dimentio speaks in simile Fawful speaks in metaphor and they both soon get defeated at the end but still lives as a head only but still have a chance to defeat the heroes and then they both self destruct and they both always smile
+[[User:Fawfulsmile123|Fawfulsmile123]] ([[User talk:Fawfulsmile123|talk]]) 15:31, 26 March 2014 (EDT)
+== Trivia question ==
+CAN I PUT IN Trivia THAT Dimentio is eviler version of kefka palazzo  or he and Kefka have similar Goal's and Personality? {{User|GrandMasterGamer}}
+:There isn't really anything to indicate Dimentio is based on Kefka, so any similarities would be coincidental. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}} 15:47, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
+==Dimentio is really...==
+Does anyone else think that Dimentio could be the Fire and Thunder Gods from mlss.
+To be quite honest with you, they don't quite look similar enough, but there is a vague similarity between Dimentio and Fire God, yeah. I highly doubt they're related, though- they come from two entirely different continuities! --http://i.imgur.com/VG4JnjG.png [[User:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Profile)]] [[User_talk:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Talk to me!)]] 04:47, 16 July 2015 (EDT)
+== Dentji Meno ==
+On the Villains Wiki, it says that Dimentio's real name is Dentji Meno. It is nowhere on here, so could this statement be false? Or is it something never added? {{User:Joseph/sig}}
+It's probably fanon. It isn't true, as far as I know. Someone probably just came up with a headcanon and things just escalated from there. Correct me if I'm wrong, though! --http://i.imgur.com/VG4JnjG.png [[User:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Profile)]] [[User_talk:AVeryFluffyYoshi|(Talk to me!)]] 04:47, 16 July 2015 (EDT)
+== He wrote the Dark Prognosticus? ==
+I don't think this little tidbit is true. As interesting as it would be, I've read through Garson and Carson's stories and I'm not really finding an implication of him writing that terrible book.[[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 21:40, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
+:Carson says that Dimentio was mentioned in the Prognosticus, but never says he wrote it.[[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 21:43, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
+== Clones? ==
+Do his clones have a Tattle? Or is that the Tattle featured in his enemy infobox?<br>
+{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:15, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+:It is his clones. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 22:16, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+::Speaking of clones, you can add Dimentio clones to the bestiary. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 22:19, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+:::Are they officially named? Should they have an article if they are worthy of being included in the bestiary?
+:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:21, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+::::I don't know where the official name is. I say create a separate article, but not yet. More users should say something before it is created.
+As for the stats: HP is 0. Attack is 2,4. Defense is 0,infinity. They are passible all the time except behind the mirror in the second mirror area where they can be easily defeated. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 22:31, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+:Source for stats?
+:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:44, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+::@Ultimate Mr. L: easily defeated. Attack is the same as Dimentio. They are passible. That is what I have observed when playing the game. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:46, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+::What would make the clones worthy of their own article compared to, say, clones from the [[Crystal King]] or [[Cackletta]], who also have clones with slightly different stats? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:17, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+:::@Bazooka Mario: Good point. If Dimentio clones get an article, so should all clones. But, if there are many clones, then an article grouping them together (It would state which person the clone is from) would suffice and there won't be a lot of articles about clones that we (this wiki) know nothing about. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:46, 15 November 2016 (EST)
+::::I am skeptical of the 0 HP stat. When you defeat them, they don't make the usual sound that defeated enemies do and no number appears to indicate how much damage was afflicted. If they get an article, we should list their HP as ?? or not at all, considering we don't have an actual source. The attack can be listed easily. Defense would be ??. As for an article just for clones, I am skeptical of that idea. Perhaps we should just list Dimentio Clone here on this article. The same has been done for [[Magikoopa]].
+::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 11:26, 16 November 2016 (EST)
+:::::Good idea. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 11:55, 16 November 2016 (EST)
+::::::As Dimentio Clone is not an official name (they have a Tattle, but Tippi just refers to them like they're the real Dimentio), maybe we should just call it Dimentio (Clone) or Dimentio (Copy). I think the same was done for Magikoopa. It's called Magikoopa (copy) and I doubt it's called that in-game, but I could be wrong. Even if the case of the Magikoopa is different, parentheses are just a bit more subtle and to me they show that we're just calling them that to differentiate.
+::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 12:08, 16 November 2016 (EST)
+:::::::Have it in this article and call it Dimentio (copy) to keep it consistent with Magikoopa page and Crystal King page. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 12:11, 16 November 2016 (EST)
+::::::::I'll go ahead and add it then. Just to clarify, the stats are:
+::::::::Location(s): [[The Dotwood Tree]], [[Castle Bleck Interior]]; HP: ?? (1 hit); Attack: 2 (The Dotwood Tree), 4 (Castle Bleck Interior); Defense: ?? (All damage counts as one hit); Score: 0; Items: ; Card Type: ; Card Location ; Card Description: ; Tattle: (Move from Dimentio's, since that's actually his clones' Tattle)
+::::::::Sound good? I left anything involving Catch Cards blank.
+::::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 12:18, 16 November 2016 (EST)
+:::::::::Good call because the copy doesn't have a separate card neither should the copy be mentioned in List of Catch Cards page. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 12:21, 16 November 2016 (EST)
+== Tattle Info ==
+While normally, you can't view the tattle on Dimentio himself (Tippi is unavailable both times you encounter Dimentio), the tattle data still seems to exist in the game, as seen [https://tcrf.net/Super_Paper_Mario#Dimentio on this page of TCRF]. I've gone ahead and added the text, but made a note that Tippi is unavailable during normal gameplay. [[User:Justink ase|Justink ase]] ([[User talk:Justink ase|talk]]) 05:45, 15 January 2017 (EST)
+== Copy ==
+The bestiary infoboxes call the copies just '''Dimentio''' instead of '''Dimentio (copy)'''. Is there a way to fix this?<br>
+{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 13:03, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
+== Bowser's Recognition ==
+At one point in the game, I believe when you make it to the top of the Dotwood Tree in Chapter 3-3, (though it may be right before the O'Chunks fight in Chapter 5-2) if you have Bowser out, he'll recognize Dimentio. This might be proof that it ''was'' Dimentio that sent Bowser and some of the Koopa Troop to the Bitlands. However, I don't want to add this to the article because I don't have the exact quote as a citation (like how Tippi's recognition of him right before fighting Fracktail has the quote of her directly implying she recognizes him). [[User:Mymax162|Mymaz162]]
+== Unused Mechanic/Enemy ==
+In the files there's a thing that acts like an enemy but looks like a dimension d cube. Maybe there was supposed to be a platforming dimension d segment? For other enemies search "Skawo unused enemy showcase super paper mario".-Svtopdog
+EDT - It's used in the fight against O'Cabbage, who is actually [[O'Chunks]] brainwashed by a [[Floro Sprout]], as one of his attacks pulls out one of those cubes-Svtopdog
+== Dementio's species ==
+I know he doesn't look like the others, but I think Dementio's a [[Shaman|shaman]] [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] 2:25 PM EDT 3/10/2020
+== On Tippi recognizing Dimentio ==
+[https://youtu.be/KCXQ_SvTUwA?t=485 The corresponding line in Japanese] has her simply affirming that Dimentio is one of the count's minions (ディメーン… 伯爵の…手下…). It could go either way whether she outright ''recognized'' him or not, given that this is right after he introduced himself. The localizers interpreted the line as certain recognition but that doesn't mean it was the original intent. --[[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 15:54, August 21, 2020 (EDT)
+== Dimentio's design inspiration? (And the "dementia" thing) ==
+The very first sentence of the first paragraph says, ''"Dimentio is the true main antagonist in Super Paper Mario. His name is a pun on "dementia" and "dimension""''.
+I've never understood this. Where does the "dementia" thing come from? Admittedly I haven't played the game all the way through myself, but even looking it up I haven't found an answer why, and if there's some sort of connection in the original Japanese version then it wasn't translated properly into the localization. The only possible connection I can think of is his use of the Floro sprouts, which I guess can ''sort of'' count. Dementia is the cognitive functions degrading, which can cause memory issues, bizarre thought and language patterns, etc, which you can sort of see how Mr. L and O'Chunks/O'Cabbage show some of that. But... really? Is that really what that's supposed to reference? Intuitively (at least, I think it is,) it feels more natural that his name is a pun on ''"demented"'' and "dimension." I will admit, that probably depends on your perspective on how his name is pronounced ("Di-men-ti-yo" or "Deh-men-ti-yo" fits the demented/dimension pun, but "Di-men-chi-yo" or "Deh-men-chi-yo" or even "Deh-men-chyo" does somewhat connect to the "dementia" thing, I guess?) I feel like I've gone on about this bit for too long but I'm just so genuinely confused as to how his name is supposed to pun on dementia.
+As for his design, I have an idea as to what it references: Venetian masks, or specifically just the costumes in general. If you look up "venetian carnival masquerade mask" and check images for whatever search engine, you'll hopefully see exactly what pictures I'm talking about because they bear a VERY STRONG resemblance to Dimentio's outfit, and especially his face + hat shape. Some costume designs just look similar to Dimentio's entire design in general! Not to mention, Venice is in Italy, and Dimentio's word choice? "Ciao" isn't just Italian, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao THAT WORD CAME FROM VENETIAN SPECIFICALLY.]
+(I'm aware that Dimentio drops far more French phrases in the Japanese release than he does in the English, which DOES still have him say a few things in French. This puts a bit of a hole in my theory, admittedly. It's possible that his design references a different culture, or that he's referencing multiple instead of just one. I'm hoping to get a Japanese copy of SPM at some point to try and figure out what was first intended.)
+I've said all of this so it can explain my suggestions: Change "... pun on "dementia"" to "... pun on "demented"". The trivia section is probably the best spot to mention his (potential) connection to Venetian carnivals, but for right now I can't think of a good way to word it, I've been typing this on-and-off for an hour. I invested way too much time getting mad about the dementia pun. --[[User:Scribblementio|Scribblementio]] ([[User talk:Scribblementio|talk]]) 03:06, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
+addendum: Apparently in a Nintendo Power issue it's confirmed his name is indeed a pun on "dementia." I cannot find an archive of any issues released within a few months of SPM's release since that's the best bet to confirm, so I guess maybe its best to leave that bit alone until I or someone else finds the specific issue that says it. --[[User:Scribblementio|Scribblementio]] ([[User talk:Scribblementio|talk]]) 15:02, August 5, 2023 (EDT)