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'''Proposer''': {{User|Binarystep}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Binarystep}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': June 21, | '''Deadline''': June 21, 2015, 23:59 GMT | ||
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@Bazooka Mario: We reached the conclusion above that Blurp is most likely mistranslation of Cheep Cheep due to a character misinterpretation in their Japanese names (and the smaller ones are never named in-game or on the website). ''Yoshi's Story'' has a Japanese option in International copies, and if you look at the Japanese text, you'll see that the larger Blurps are also plainly referred to as Cheep Cheep during the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T8m06dDTwA&t=6m04s page clear narration] (sort of like how 4-3 refers to Piranha Plants as a group despite no standard Piranha Plants appearing anywhere). If you check out the Message Block [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG3cjOcbQpk&t=6m30s here,] it describes them as 「おおきな プクプク」 (''ōkina Pukupuku''), or "Big/Giant Cheep Cheep". Since the less hungry Big Cheep Cheep weren't introduced yet, they're probably most parallel to ''Kyodai Pukupuku'' ("Giant Cheep Cheep"), or Boss Bass/Big Bertha. At any rate, I'd say Boss Bass and the Red Blurp in particular had more in common than Boss Bass and Bubba did before ''Super Mario 64 DS'', and splitting the information that way overall makes the article naming more clean (at least, in terms of ''conjectural'' clean-up). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:29, 28 June 2015 (EDT) | @Bazooka Mario: We reached the conclusion above that Blurp is most likely mistranslation of Cheep Cheep due to a character misinterpretation in their Japanese names (and the smaller ones are never named in-game or on the website). ''Yoshi's Story'' has a Japanese option in International copies, and if you look at the Japanese text, you'll see that the larger Blurps are also plainly referred to as Cheep Cheep during the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T8m06dDTwA&t=6m04s page clear narration] (sort of like how 4-3 refers to Piranha Plants as a group despite no standard Piranha Plants appearing anywhere). If you check out the Message Block [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG3cjOcbQpk&t=6m30s here,] it describes them as 「おおきな プクプク」 (''ōkina Pukupuku''), or "Big/Giant Cheep Cheep". Since the less hungry Big Cheep Cheep weren't introduced yet, they're probably most parallel to ''Kyodai Pukupuku'' ("Giant Cheep Cheep"), or Boss Bass/Big Bertha. At any rate, I'd say Boss Bass and the Red Blurp in particular had more in common than Boss Bass and Bubba did before ''Super Mario 64 DS'', and splitting the information that way overall makes the article naming more clean (at least, in terms of ''conjectural'' clean-up). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:29, 28 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
:I do agree that Blurp is a mistranslation of a Cheep Cheep (and how it's used so nonchalantly in Mario Golf 64 when you hit the ball off-course suggests that it was intended to be a Cheep-Cheep all along). I do believe, however, that there isn't as direct evidence when it comes to drawing similarities between this Blurp and Boss Bass, so we're just making the assumption that just because it's big and eats things and it is a Cheep Cheep makes it a Boss Bass. I'd say it's more of a similarity rather than "they're the same thing", so I'm just opting for the safer route this time. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 01:08, 28 June 2015 (EDT) | :I do agree that Blurp is a mistranslation of a Cheep Cheep (and how it's used so nonchalantly in Mario Golf 64 when you hit the ball off-course suggests that it was intended to be a Cheep-Cheep all along). I do believe, however, that there isn't as direct evidence when it comes to drawing similarities between this Blurp and Boss Bass, so we're just making the assumption that just because it's big and eats things and it is a Cheep Cheep makes it a Boss Bass. I'd say it's more of a similarity rather than "they're the same thing", so I'm just opting for the safer route this time. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 01:08, 28 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
== Re-merge [[Red Blurp]] and [[Blue Blurp]] back into this page == | |||
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-0|merge}} | |||
I've spoken with LinkTheLefty about it, and he agrees that re-merging these is the best option.<br> | |||
Now, just the facts:<br> | |||
These are recolors of each other, both in sprites and artwork. They each get [https://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/34/36351.png a few] [https://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/22/23862.png unique poses], but all in all, this is a red-green Troopa situation.<br> | |||
They are a giant Cheep Cheep counterpart, akin to [[Boss Bass]]. Unlike Boss Bass, they are in design a true large counterpart, as they use the exact same base for their pre-rendered sprites as the normal Cheep Cheep, more akin to [[Big Cheep Cheep]].<br> | |||
They are known in Japan simply by Cheep Cheep's normal name, ''Pukupuku''. The ''Shogakukan'' gives them different names (generically translatable to "red Cheep" and "blue Cheep,") but lists them under [[Media:Yoshi Story Shogakukan P6.jpg|the exact same blurb]]; the only "two" enemies it does this with.<br> | |||
Red Blurp acts like a slow, higher-jumping Boss Bass, and Blue Blurp acts like a more jerkily-spitting [[Spray Fish]] combined with a [[Cheep Chomp]].<br> | |||
Anyways, the current situation is inconvenient all around in regards to relation with the similar (and ''possibly'' the same) [[Boss Bass]] and [[Cheep Chomp]], and ultimately, these are still just recolors. | |||
I may have missed some points, but I'm still dealing with the aches of having my wisdom teeth pulled. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': January 18, 2019, 23:59 (GMT) | |||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Let's merge these piscine pests and be done with it. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} This is especially a color/behavior difference, so. And we'll bring back this page soon. Per how we handle with colors. | |||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Seeing as how we haven't split the fast and slow [[Bramball]]s either... | |||
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I agree with re-merging since they are treated as color variations and for a clearer reason to differentiate Red Blurp from Boss Bass, as well as to fit the (unknown color) subject of [[Mario Golf (Nintendo 64)#Mario.27s Star Holes|Mario's Star Hole]]. | |||
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I'm not sure what to choose. Can this page be restored at least? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 01:43, 5 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:Of course it can, it hasn't been gone very long. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:04, 5 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::Asked to Mario jc since he's the one who deleted it. No response yet. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 01:52, 6 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:::Experience tells me that yes it can. Most of what can't be restored was due to the server being wiped ages ago. Long before this. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:20, 6 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::::It's possible. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:39, 6 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:It was only just deleted in August last year. I can do it once the proposal passes. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 19:38, 6 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::This is likely just one enemy splitted as two in the manual but share one description altogether. And yet, the [http://www.suppermariobroth.com/image/40932172296 Kodansha] manga still lists them altogether. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:29, 8 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:::Blessed image. Love how [[Power Bee|Happiness Butterfly]] is a fairy, and everything about that [[Fuzzy Wiggler]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:40, 8 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::::Actually, it does the same for Piranha Plant, and its relative, Piranha Sprout and Piranha Pest. [[media:Yoshi_Story_Shogakukan_P5.jpg|Look]]! --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:56, 12 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:::::And their artwork isn't edited from each other, and they get long convoluted names. Pest and Sprout are built from the same graphics, admittedly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:13, 12 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::::::Piranha Sprout has feet as opposed to a short stem as well. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:35, 17 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:::::::I know what i will say is off topic (though it is mentioned in the proposal), regarding Boss Bass and Cheep Chomp, i don't recomand making another proposal about it. The Super Mario Pia didn't list SM64DS, MKDS and YIDS because it doesn't list remakes, third party games, and Yoshi series games. I'm pretty sure that the encyclopedia still calls the Boss Bass "Kyodai Pukupuku". --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:07, 18 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::::::::We know all that, but the door should still remain open if and when new info ever comes about. Regarding Piranha Plants, they also only appear in one level; Kodansha lists them separately. Though it is interesting that the description calls shrinked Yoshi "Mini Yoshi" (ミニヨッシー), if an article is made of that form. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:43, 18 January 2019 (EST) | |||