Category talk:Characters from other Nintendo games: Difference between revisions

:::Starfy hasn't had a major crossover appearance in the Mario games... [[Densetsu no Stafy 3|But Wario sure had a major crossover appearance with him]]. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 10:20, February 15, 2024 (EST)

::::Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at with why the Mario-based enemies we cover that only appeared in Zelda games could count for this category. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:25, February 15, 2024 (EST)

Generally it doesn't seem to be completely consistent right now whether species count for this category (e.g. [[Snowboy]]'s here, [[Keese]] isn't), which is the main reason I'm not supporting this proposal, not because of the origin of the Doki Doki Panic characters (if we've already decided to put the bosses in this category then it only makes sense to consider these the same). If this proposal passes then it'll make sense to add all of the relevant species, and if it fails then we could take out the few already here (possibly even make "Species from other Nintendo games" its own category since there seem to be more than I initially thought). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:33, February 15, 2024 (EST)

I guess I'll finally throw my two cents into this: I always found it a bit odd that (most of) the SMB2 bosses are included here. I get it, they originated from ''Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic'', so they're ''technically'' from a non-Mario game, but at the same time, that's also the only major non-Mario appearance they have. Their later appearances are in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' and remakes, other Mario games (more major for some than others), and whenever they do reappear outside of a Mario game, the non-Mario game makes sure that their appearance is Mario-adjacent. In other words, they have been integrated into the Super Mario franchise since their debut in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'', starting with ''Super Mario World'', while the Yume Kōjō '87 event that ''Doki Doki Panic'' was made for is not really a thing anymore. [[Birdo]] for instance sticks out like a sore thumb because she makes ''constant'' appearances in the ''Mario'' spinoff games even to this day.<br>But what makes their inclusion even weirder for me is the ''ex''clusion of the various enemies that ''also'' debuted in ''Doki Doki Panic''. Like, why is Birdo here when [[Shy Guy]] is not, even though Shy Guy ''also'' makes constant appearances in the Mario franchise to this day? Logically, because these are ''species'', not ''characters'', hence the exclusion of [[Deku Baba]], but then why isn't there a category for this, and why does this category include the redirect [[Metroid (species)]] then? And aren't [[Inkling]]s and [[Snowboy]]s ''technically'' a species too?<br>If you ask me, either include ''all'' the SMB2 characters (sans Clawgrip), or don't include 'em at all. If you decide to include some characters because of a technicality, then you can't exclude the others just because they're species instead of characters, when the category itself ''already includes species'' (which, btw, [[:Category:Third-party characters]] also does: hello, [[Moogle]] and [[Platypunk]]). It only makes the whole decision look awkward. {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:48, February 18, 2024 (EST)

:I have to agree with everything you said. While we're on the subject of distinction between species and character, the [[Behemoth]] and [[Behemoth King]] are also only represented by a single individual in their sole ''Super Mario''-related appearance, ''[[Mario Sports Mix]]'' — yet we're currently treating them as species rather than characters unlike the playable Square Enix species representatives. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 15:30, February 19, 2024 (EST)