Talk:Crow: Difference between revisions

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:::Not at all. In fact, I've had plenty of arguments on here that the wiki should prioritize Japanese names if the creator of these names and their described concepts is Japanese, but that's usually just a proxy for the "author's intent" principle I'd like to push. In the currently-discussed fable of the Frog and the Crow, I'm positive their authors are simply giving them cute names, with no statement whatsoever that they're meant to pertain to the Mario brand specifically; [[Bat (Luigi's Mansion series)]] is in a similar boat. I'm not sure what point you're making with Scaredy Rat since that's clearly not a generic enemy; the generic [[mouse]] species the wiki has an article for has altogether different names in all localizations, Japanese included, so merging that with Scaredy Rat is off the table entirely. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 14:52, January 9, 2024 (EST)
:::Not at all. In fact, I've had plenty of arguments on here that the wiki should prioritize Japanese names if the creator of these names and their described concepts is Japanese, but that's usually just a proxy for the "author's intent" principle I'd like to push. In the currently-discussed fable of the Frog and the Crow, I'm positive their authors are simply giving them cute names, with no statement whatsoever that they're meant to pertain to the Mario brand specifically; [[Bat (Luigi's Mansion series)]] is in a similar boat. I'm not sure what point you're making with Scaredy Rat since that's clearly not a generic enemy; the generic [[mouse]] species the wiki has an article for has altogether different names in all localizations, Japanese included, so merging that with Scaredy Rat is off the table entirely. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 14:52, January 9, 2024 (EST)
::::The point I'm trying to make is that, if you ignore the localizations, Scaredy Rat is just another somewhat cartoony-looking normal animal named after an onomatopoeia. Same thing with [[Frog Pirate]] (which might or might not also be called "Froggy"(?) in which case it would even have a somewhat generic name in English). Or even [[Swoop]] if you count wing noises. See what I mean? I'm not saying to merge any of those, my point is that enemies that are based on regular animals, look like regular animals, and are named after the animal or some noise the animal makes are far from rare. And that "generic mouse species" you mention isn't that generic either. Again it has a unique Japanese name, and it will probably be getting merged to a ghost enemy soon anyway... Uh, sorry my response is so messy, by the way. This topic is getting too confusing for a more structured response, as far as my abilities are concerned. I hope you get what I'm trying to say. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 07:28, January 12, 2024 (EST)
::::The point I'm trying to make is that, if you ignore the localizations, Scaredy Rat is just another somewhat cartoony-looking normal animal named after an onomatopoeia. Same thing with [[Frog Pirate]] (which might or might not also be called "Froggy"(?) in which case it would even have a somewhat generic name in English). Or even [[Swoop]] if you count wing noises. See what I mean? I'm not saying to merge any of those, my point is that enemies that are based on regular animals, look like regular animals, and are named after the animal or some noise the animal makes are far from rare. And that "generic mouse species" you mention isn't that generic either. Again it has a unique Japanese name, and it will probably be getting merged to a ghost enemy soon anyway... Uh, sorry my response is so messy, by the way. This topic is getting too confusing for a more structured response, as far as my abilities are concerned. I hope you get what I'm trying to say. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 07:28, January 12, 2024 (EST)
Okay, look at this way. There are four possible cases:
#'''LM pests are unique enemies, LM2 and LM3 pests are generic animals, the bat and mouse in LM2 are new enemies''' - if you agree with this one, you might want to oppose the ongoing merge proposal. I don't recommend that though, for reasons already explained there.
#'''LM pests are unique enemies, LM2 and LM3 pests are generic animals, the bat and mouse in LM2 are returning enemies''' - in this case, the mouse and bat went from being unique enemies to being a generic mouse and bat, while still being the same enemy? Like a reverse chicken/Cucco situation, I guess? I don't like this option, it's unnecessarily confusing.
#'''LM pests are unique enemies, including the recurring mouse and bat, pests introduced afterward are generic''' - this case results in an inconsistent treatment of the LM2 pests (bat, mouse, crow, frog...), despite their similar roles.
#'''LM pests are unique enemies, and so are those introduced afterward''' - this one... is what this proposal is based on.
This should make discussion easier, I hope? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 15:02, January 12, 2024 (EST)
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